Steven Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 My interpretation is "Oh look, see how the Danes don't mind having the piss taken out of them in a cartoon". This is why I haven't deleted it. That doesn't mean I agree with the sentiment, as a fictitious cartoon character loosely based on historical fact is not the same as being disrespectful towards a spiritual leader, no matter how much of an over-reaction people think it is. Especially in the current climate. I was waiting to see how this thread developed before acting. Give it 10 minutes, and I might well bin it. (not you the cartoon )
Steven Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 Yes, stupid Danes, because we ALL agreed that Jyllands Posten should've published that Cartoon. I'm actually getting very tired about people slating 'us' for showing little or no respect towards Islam culture when at the same time they don't respect, acknowledge and/or want to understand our way of using freedom of speech in our culture. And how do you want to get 'factual proof that there was an outraged majority of muslims over a simple cartoon' ?? Does the fact that 3 embassies in 3 different Muslim countries being attacked not show you enough proof ? I do however totally agree with your assesment that this is an utterly ridiculous situation and that it has been grossly manipulated. This does not get away from the fact that the Newspaper did not publish a similarly disrespectful cartoon of Christ as their readers would find it unacceptable.
shen Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 This does not get away from the fact that the Newspaper did not publish a similarly disrespectful cartoon of Christ as their readers would find it unacceptable. And how would you know that then? 'We' generally make more fun about Christianity than any other religion. I wouldn't be fussed one second if they printed Jesus e.g. crucified on a swastika...
Head Honcho Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 This does not get away from the fact that the Newspaper did not publish a similarly disrespectful cartoon of Christ as their readers would find it unacceptable. But Christianity is ridiculed all the time so whats your point?
Rincewind Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 300 years ago people were burned at the stake for mocking Christ. Well if the church said they did all the followers agreed. For reasons that have been illustrated I do not follow any religious faith. I feel I can make my mind up about what is right and wrong but as long as it does not harm me I don't mind what religion others follow and I will defend their right to do so. It will only be the extemists that will appear to protest. They exist on power over others. They are spokesmen for the ones who stay quiet. that is why policticians have the gift of the gab. They start off saying what their constisuants want to say and just end up saying what they want to say. Many Muslims may have objected to the cartoons but it is only the extremists who are heard and sometimes they go too far which maybe is the only way others will listen as the quiet ones are not loud enough. As I do not follow any particular faith I try to give them all the same respect. I do not go out of my way to upset anyone by saying something that may offend them. I may say it to friends and relatives but not to anyone who may take offence. Is that clearer than my previous post?
Steven Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 And how would you know that then? 'We' generally make more fun about Christianity than any other religion. I wouldn't be fussed one second if they printed Jesus e.g. crucified on a swastika... It was on Belgian Radio yesterday.
Steven Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 But Christianity is ridiculed all the time so whats your point? That in this case they decided it was ok to offend Muslims but not Christians. A touch hypocritical one might say.
Head Honcho Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 That in this case they decided it was ok to offend Muslims but not Christians. A touch hypocritical one might say. In this case they may have done, but as Shen has informed us they are taking the piss out of Christianity all the time. I admit it was insensitive to publish the cartoons, but your not trying to tell me that we only make fun of Islam are you?
Steven Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 In this case they may have done, but as Shen has informed us they are taking the piss out of Christianity all the time. I admit it was insensitive to publish the cartoons, but your not trying to tell me that we only make fun of Islam are you? ... better still every become an Atheist. Life is a lot simpler.
Head Honcho Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 ... better still every become an Atheist. Life is a lot simpler. .........but you'll always have some Atheist who'll think their Atheism is better then someone else's
shen Posted 8 February 2006 Posted 8 February 2006 It was on Belgian Radio yesterday. What was on Belgian Radio yesterday?
TrickyTrev Posted 9 February 2006 Posted 9 February 2006 .........but you'll always have some Atheist who'll think their Atheism is better then someone else's If we weren't killing each other over religion we'd find something else to fight about. People make wars, not religion. Thats coming from a commited Athiest.
Steven Posted 9 February 2006 Posted 9 February 2006 What was on Belgian Radio yesterday? .... the fact that the Newspaper did not publish a similarly disrespectful cartoon of Christ as their readers would find it unacceptable.
Rincewind Posted 9 February 2006 Posted 9 February 2006 Wasn't there a bit of an upset over some Xmas postage stamps? It seems with these things there is a lack of communication. All it would take is contact with a senior spokesperson to review whatever they intend to do if they are not sure or expect controversy. A Muslim leader may have been able to tell the Dutch paper that it would likely have caused offence the same as if the Post office designers of the stamp had consulted Hindu leader as the stamps were specifically intended for overseas. But I suppose without being of those particarlar faiths the ones doing these things would not know what was or was not likely to cause offence. Which is most of the trouble. We in the western world have seen vast changes in our culture and outlook on life through 'progress' Most would not give a second thought about how our modern way of life affects those cultures that have remained stagnent. It is a difficult situation with no easy solution. We just have to get along with each other the best we can and hope a little comprimise is welcome from all invoved.
Random Burglar Posted 9 February 2006 Posted 9 February 2006 Save tonight, and fight the break of dawn, come tomorrow, tomorrow il be gone.
sackmycook Posted 9 February 2006 Author Posted 9 February 2006 All the world religions endure ridicule in some way or another. And Islam should be no different. But, it is becuase it is considered infallible. and anyone not agreeing or criticising gets a death sentence. There have been many instances in muslim country's where people (muslims themselves) have had the death sentence for blasphemy. If you read the Koran it is much like the Old Testament. Lots of fire and brimstone and that is why followers are so militant in their beliefs. I remember in the early 90's a boutique on Allandale Rd which imported several pairs of shoes from Turkey (a muslim country) these shoes had the word 'Allah' on them. The lady who owned the boutiqe was politely asked to withdraw the shoes from sale. She refused. And later that evening a car was set alight and put through her shop window.
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