The People's Hero Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Thank you for supporting me. I don't only mean that, but medical problems mean some people can't get jobs. Might be physical reasons or mental reasons. But there is always a reason. Some people abuse the system but MOST people have genuine problems. Some people don't deserve to live- some people who post on here! Oh, so you do understand where I'm coming from? Think you've just misunderstood what most of us have been saying. I especially appreciated your closing comment. Classic.
Knighton Matt Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 Oh, so you do understand where I'm coming from? Think you've just misunderstood what most of us have been saying. I especially appreciated your closing comment. Classic. Just a little over the top wasn't it?
Knighton Matt Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 I think a number of you have missed the point. It wasn't a dig at people who are genuinely looking for work and are having problems in finding it. In fact, that was made quite clear in my original post. I have a problem with those who expect something for nothing and would turn down the chance to work if offered it. Personal pride comes before that for me. Was speaking to the FD of a company recently whose workforce in the factory is 90% Polish and Lithuanian. The reason...The job centre couldn't find any applicants willing to take the job as they'd rather stay on the dole and claim benefits than do what they saw as work that was beneath them. I think the Eastern Europeans could teach us a few things about pride and earning a living.
The People's Hero Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Unjustifable and disgusting I'd say. Especially considering how ill-informed the post was. I sincerely hope that this thread is kept open so that people can see how reactionary it was. Reacting against something which was neither said nor implied.
The People's Hero Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Was speaking to the FD of a company recently whose workforce in the factory is 90% Polish and Lithuanian. The reason...The job centre couldn't find any applicants willing to take the job as they'd rather stay on the dole and claim benefits than do what they saw as work that was beneath them. I think the Eastern Europeans could teach us a few things about pride and earning a living. Damn right. I know of people who quit their jobs because they would be earning marginally less on the dole. So before people tell me it doesn't happen - get this - it does. What sickens me is that they're actually proud of themselves for doing it.
Knighton Matt Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 Unless you've been unemployed for more than six months how would you know? I was made redundant after continuous employment for 34 years, because I had some savings and took some of my pension early I didn't receive a penny in unemployment payments. Why am I telling you that? Well it shows I had a big incentive to find a job, well after 100's of applications and about ten ackowledgements and not a single interview I finally, after 2 long years got a part-time job that paid peanuts. I think that proves your statement to be complete and utter bolloxs. I respect you for having the honesty to post that on here davieG. What I can't understand is why benefit is not weighted dependent on your employment history so good hard working honest people such as yourself get more because of your level of contributions in the past and those who make little attempt to find a job get less. p.s. I am not attacking those who cannot work because of injury before I get accused of being a nasty piece of shit. Of course these people should not be forced to work or discriminated against when it comes to their incapacity benefit.
The People's Hero Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 I respect you for having the honesty to post that on here davieG. What I can't understand is why benefit is not weighted dependent on your employment history so good hard working honest people such as yourself get more because of your level of contributions in the past and those who make little attempt to find a job get less. p.s. I am not attacking those who cannot work because of injury before I get accused of being a nasty piece of shit. Of course these people should not be forced to work or discriminated against when it comes to their incapacity benefit. Spot on. It's only those who take JSA/the dole, whatever, because they can't be bothered to work. The same people usually moan about immigrants coming in to the country. Immigrants who in many cases work hard doing jobs which people from this country DO NOT WANT. Of course, there are bad cases in that camp too... just don't get me started.
Head Honcho Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Unless you've been unemployed for more than six months how would you know? I was made redundant after continuous employment for 34 years, because I had some savings and took some of my pension early I didn't receive a penny in unemployment payments. Why am I telling you that? Well it shows I had a big incentive to find a job, well after 100's of applications and about ten ackowledgements and not a single interview I finally, after 2 long years got a part-time job that paid peanuts. I think that proves your statement to be complete and utter bolloxs. So you were unemployed for 2 years, after 6 months did you consider re-training? If you did then great, but most people don't, they think that because they're a fully qualified engineer thare's a job out there with their name on, times have changed, you know that! Gone are the days when you had maybe 2 or 3 jobs in your lifetime! The facts are that there are more job vacancies then people out of work in this country and just because it may not be what you want doesn't mean that you can't get a job!
Jordan Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 I don't mean to change the conversation... but are the same politicians who are clamoring for higher taxes for the wealthy also saying anything about the VAT, which is a highly regressive tax?
Head Honcho Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 I don't mean to change the conversation... but are the same politicians who are clamoring for higher taxes for the wealthy also saying anything about the VAT, which is a highly regressive tax? There is talk of VAT being lowered in this country! .........well on healthy foods and energy saving light bulbs
Knighton Matt Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 I don't mean to change the conversation... but are the same politicians who are clamoring for higher taxes for the wealthy also saying anything about the VAT, which is a highly regressive tax? VAT was introduced believe it or not as a temporary tax in the 70's. Sadly the reality is that it's here to stay for a very long time.
The People's Hero Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Best way to introduce something is under the guise of it being temporary. Successive governments have kept it though... well, as you say, we've had it thirty years now.
davieG Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 So you were unemployed for 2 years, after 6 months did you consider re-training? If you did then great, but most people don't, they think that because they're a fully qualified engineer thare's a job out there with their name on, times have changed, you know that! Gone are the days when you had maybe 2 or 3 jobs in your lifetime! The facts are that there are more job vacancies then people out of work in this country and just because it may not be what you want doesn't mean that you can't get a job! My only gripe with this was the assumption that if you haven't got a job after 6 months you haven't tried. I could have retrained, but as I already had experience in general engineering, both manufacturing, assembly, design, production engineering, management, training design, delivering and organising, administration, recruitment, HR and full range of MS office IT skills, there wasn't much else I could learn that would have made my employment any easier. I guess you could say I was over qualified, the problem with that is organisations wont offer you a job below your previous level because they think you're going to bugger off after two weeks, the irony is I've been doing this part-time job for 5 years now . Unfortunately you're the first in line for redundancy and no one wants to employ you if you're 50, ageism is as ripe as an other prejudice that exists.
davieG Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 I don't mean to change the conversation... but are the same politicians who are clamoring for higher taxes for the wealthy also saying anything about the VAT, which is a highly regressive tax? But also highly lucrative, out of site and out of mind (with it rarely being listed on the product price display) and also inflation proof.
Knighton Matt Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 Best way to introduce something is under the guise of it being temporary. Successive governments have kept it though... well, as you say, we've had it thirty years now. Fact for the day... Income tax is still to this day, a temporary tax. It expires on 5 April of each year and Parliament has to reapply it by the annual Finance Act. For up to four months until the Finance Act becomes law again, the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act (1913) ensures that taxes can still be collected.
Head Honcho Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 My only gripe with this was the assumption that if you haven't got a job after 6 months you haven't tried. I could have retrained, but as I already had experience in general engineering, both manufacturing, assembly, design, production engineering, management, training design, delivering and organising, administration, recruitment, HR and full range of MS office IT skills, there wasn't much else I could learn that would have made my employment any easier. I guess you could say I was over qualified, the problem with that is organisations wont offer you a job below your previous level because they think you're going to bugger off after two weeks, the irony is I've been doing this part-time job for 5 years now . Unfortunately you're the first in line for redundancy and no one wants to employ you if you're 50, ageism is as ripe as an other prejudice that exists. I was much too polite to mention that davieg but now that you've mentioned it!
The People's Hero Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 You (trainee) accountants and your 'knowledge'! Whenever I talk to our accountant at work, I just nod whilst he explains what he's doing, then say something like 'will it save us/me money' he says yes, I say 'do it' having never understood any of it.
davieG Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 You (trainee) accountants and your 'knowledge'! Whenever I talk to our accountant at work, I just nod whilst he explains what he's doing, then say something like 'will it save us/me money' he says yes, I say 'do it' having never understood any of it. Don't we all!
Knighton Matt Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 You (trainee) accountants and your 'knowledge'! Whenever I talk to our accountant at work, I just nod whilst he explains what he's doing, then say something like 'will it save us/me money' he says yes, I say 'do it' having never understood any of it. There's some real techincal boffins in the trade mate and sadly most of them are boring as hell. My motto is why take the time to learn something that you can look up in a book?! The benefit being not only do I save time but also my friends do not disown me (yet!). To be fair if it wasn't for the fact I can sort their tax return out one day they probably would all have been long gone.
The People's Hero Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Haha! Damn right mate... Our accountant is actually a nice bloke. He's got a good sense of humour too. I just wish that I earnt what he does
Knighton Matt Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 Haha! Damn right mate... Our accountant is actually a nice bloke. He's got a good sense of humour too. I just wish that I earnt what he does You'll earn far more than him one day mate (and give half away for the privilege)... (HIDES)
Nationwider Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Now then, now then I'll have no accountant bashing on here! Totally agree with you on all fraud and illegal or even 'aggressive' tax schemes. But why shouldn't individuals of high net worth use an accountant to get them the lowest tax bill by legal means? The fees the accountant charges are subject to corporation tax don't forget plus it keeps your humble tax advisor in work and on their salaries that's a hell of a lot of PAYE and NIC. I daren't. I know too many of the beggers! Tax planning, yes, fair enough. Particularly with things like inheritance tax. Like you say, its the agressive tax schemes, particularly those designed to avoid NICs, like paying your staff in cuckoo clocks, or hay or badgers, or whatever the current favourite is! <_<
TrickyTrev Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 I don't mean to change the conversation... but are the same politicians who are clamoring for higher taxes for the wealthy also saying anything about the VAT, which is a highly regressive tax? British electorate is too stupid to allow it to be transferred to income tax without mistakenly feeling their taxes have gone up. VAT is the ultimate stealth tax because its completely out of mind.
Lemon Harpic Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Damn right. I know of people who quit their jobs because they would be earning marginally less on the dole. So before people tell me it doesn't happen - get this - it does. What sickens me is that they're actually proud of themselves for doing it. I'd be proud, too. JSA is less than £60 per week, if employers expect people to work for around that then they're taking the p1ss. The great thing about this country is that if an employer tries to take the p!ss, we have the freedom to tell him where to stick his job. The people who have the courage to make a stand and refuse to be ripped off by their bosses are real heroes. It's because of them that pay and conditions in Britain are among the best in the world. I bet it really rankles with certain FT members that the fascists lost WWII to a country that permits trade unions and provides unemployment benefit. Once again, proud to live in a free country...
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