jack_LCFC Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 i'd put Sheff Wed 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 i'd put Sheff Wed 3rd On what basis? In my opinion, to put all clubs in size rank order has to be based on average attendances over the last ten years. Fans make the size of the club. Thats the most important thing. Without fans, the clubs are small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 On what basis? In my opinion, to put all clubs in size rank order has to be based on average attendances over the last ten years. Fans make the size of the club. Thats the most important thing. Without fans, the clubs are small. in which case Sheff Wed would be well above us they averaged about 24000 in League one and on a regular basis last season got over 25000 and their highest attendance was more than our ground holds!!! The trouble is their ground is huge and even if they get 28000 fans it still looks half empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_LCFC Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 On what basis? In my opinion, to put all clubs in size rank order has to be based on average attendances over the last ten years. Fans make the size of the club. Thats the most important thing. Without fans, the clubs are small. Therefore I'd put Sheff Wed 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 Leicester is the 10th City in the UK by population size behind Birmingham, Sheffield and Leeds but Birmingham, of course, serves more clubs and historically I doubt the crowds at St Andrews have been much different to ours generally because even in the Premiership Birmingham only averaged just over 27,000. Leicester's average crowd last season (21691) was comparable to the Championship's biggest average attendance Norwich (24906), despite us flirting with relegation for much of the time and I'm quite sure our average would be at least as high as 24900 if we were at the right end of the table (a point, of course, about the need to play someproper football). Even on ground capacity there was only Wednesday, Derby, Leeds and Southampton (by 500) of last year's Championship sides with greater capacity and Sunderland will swell that number this season (though not Birmingham or West Brom). So Leicester is a big City, with a sizeable core support and a ground to match the capacity of most. Unlike Sheffield (or Sunderland or Bimingham really) Leicester does not have to service two clubs. All we are really missing is the sort of players and style of play which will put bums on seats. Yes but Leicester is not exclusively a football city. The presence of the bigest Rugby club in the country and possibly Europe has a to be a factor on the size of our fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 Therefore I'd put Sheff Wed 3rd Who would ya put above them then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gist Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 I think the top 5 are: Sunderland Leeds Sheff Wed Southampton Leicester/Wolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 I think the top 5 are: Sunderland Leeds Sheff Wed Southampton Leicester/Wolves No Birmingham City!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbeth Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 dunno why sun'land seems to be so prominent ....its not that big and only gets big crowds cos it more or less pays the young uns to go in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_LCFC Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 Who would ya put above them then? Sunderland & Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 Sunderland & Leeds So your top 3 are; Sunderland Leeds Sheff Wed I see where ya coming from but i think Birmingham City must be taken into consideration. It all depends on what you base things on to be honest. Is it the wage bugdet and ability to spend millions on players? Is it the size of the fanbase? Is it the previous history of the club? Is it the ability to stay in a higher division if promoted? Because in my opinion Birmingham City would probably be in the top 3 for all of those. I agree with Leeds United as I think they are a massive club. But Sunderland i'm not so sure of. I think if everything was taken into consideration then Birmingham City are the biggest club in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newms Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 I think if everything was taken into consideration then Birmingham City are the biggest club in the Championship. that would be Leeds. Massive city and the only club in the city. Glittering history. Birmingham = yoyo club, second biggest club in the second largest city but lots of competition for fans. Villa have far more fans. Never really won anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 that would be Leeds. Massive city and the only club in the city. Glittering history. Birmingham = yoyo club, second biggest club in the second largest city but lots of competition for fans. Villa have far more fans. Never really won anything I see your point. It just depends what things you take into account. Do you reckon Leeds could still offer as high wages or pay the transfer fees that Birmingham City can? Thats what i was trying to consider. I agree that Leeds are around the same size as Birmingham, i'm more concerned with people believing Sheff Wed are still big. Yes they have a huge stadium. But they cant afford big wages or transfer fees and thats what makes a club a big club in my eyes as well as the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Yes but Leicester is not exclusively a football city. The presence of the bigest Rugby club in the country and possibly Europe has a to be a factor on the size of our fanbase. Rugby. What's that? Horrible word. But you're right. Time to relocate those bloody Tigers to a zoo!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 So your top 3 are; Sunderland Leeds Sheff Wed I see where ya coming from but i think Birmingham City must be taken into consideration. It all depends on what you base things on to be honest. Is it the wage bugdet and ability to spend millions on players? Is it the size of the fanbase? Is it the previous history of the club? Is it the ability to stay in a higher division if promoted? Because in my opinion Birmingham City would probably be in the top 3 for all of those. I agree with Leeds United as I think they are a massive club. But Sunderland i'm not so sure of. I think if everything was taken into consideration then Birmingham City are the biggest club in the Championship. Before their last promotion the brummies were getting crowds of around 15000 over many seasons. I wouldn't be surprised to see them slipping back towards that figure next season. Sunderland and Leeds had average crowds on or around 40000 for several seasons, and massive away followings too. Therefore as clubs they have to be regarded as in a class of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Before their last promotion the brummies were getting crowds of around 15000 over many seasons. I wouldn't be surprised to see them slipping back towards that figure next season. Sunderland and Leeds had average crowds on or around 40000 for several seasons, and massive away followings too. Therefore as clubs they have to be regarded as in a class of their own. Thats cool. I've never been quite sure of the figures. Maybe its because i'm a student in Birmingham and i can see how fans they have out and about compared to Leicester and things like that, that make my view biased. I knew Sunderland and Leeds where big clubs. Just couldnt see why everyone was putting Sheff Wed in there too though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 My order would be as follows: Sunderland Leeds Sheffield Wednesday FOXES Derby Southampton Wolves Ipswich Birmingham West Brom Norwich Crystal Palace Coventry Hull Stoke Plymouth Barnsley Preston Cardiff QPR Burnley Luton Southend Colchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Thats cool. I've never been quite sure of the figures. Maybe its because i'm a student in Birmingham and i can see how fans they have out and about compared to Leicester and things like that, that make my view biased. I knew Sunderland and Leeds where big clubs. Just couldnt see why everyone was putting Sheff Wed in there too though... The owls have massive potential. If they ever return to the Premiership I can see them attracting 30000+ crowds with ease - especially as an absence of several years from the top flight has made them a lot hungrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedging Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Before their last promotion the brummies were getting crowds of around 15000 over many seasons. I wouldn't be surprised to see them slipping back towards that figure next season. Sunderland and Leeds had average crowds on or around 40000 for several seasons, and massive away followings too. Therefore as clubs they have to be regarded as in a class of their own. Leeds are in a different class to Sunderland, even. Although Sunderland have generally had the more passionate support, they've always had first dibs for the place of valiant but tragic loser. Leeds have never lost enough for my liking. And it's kind of sad to see Ipswich's true place appearing in these rankings. In the 70s and 80s they were always the small club I wanted to see stick one on much bigger teams. An FA cup and a EUFA cup weren't bad but they came so close to a couple of League wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-man Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Leeds Sheffield Wednesday Birmingham Sunderland Leicester Southampton Wolves Derby Ipswich West Bromwich Albion Crystal Palace Coventry Norwich Cardiff Preston Stoke QPR Hull Plymouth Luton Burnley Barnsley Southend Colchester Obviously depends on what your talking about. Fanbase? Success? My list is a mixture of the two, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newms Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Leeds Sheffield Wednesday Southampton Leicester Derby Birmingham Norwich Sunderland Ipswich Crystal Palace Wolves West Bromwich Albion Coventry QPR Cardiff Preston Hull Luton Stoke Plymouth Burnley Barnsley Southend Colchester the definitve list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 10 July 2006 Author Share Posted 10 July 2006 If you want discussion you need to explain the basis of your order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted 10 July 2006 Share Posted 10 July 2006 Before their last promotion the brummies were getting crowds of around 15000 over many seasons. I wouldn't be surprised to see them slipping back towards that figure next season. Sunderland and Leeds had average crowds on or around 40000 for several seasons, and massive away followings too. Therefore as clubs they have to be regarded as in a class of their own. So whats the difference with Sunderland then?? During the late 80's and early 90's they were only averaging the 13-15 thousand?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 10 July 2006 Share Posted 10 July 2006 Leicester is the 10th City in the UK by population size behind Birmingham, Sheffield and Leeds but Birmingham, of course, serves more clubs and historically I doubt the crowds at St Andrews have been much different to ours generally because even in the Premiership Birmingham only averaged just over 27,000. Leicester's average crowd last season (21691) was comparable to the Championship's biggest average attendance Norwich (24906), despite us flirting with relegation for much of the time and I'm quite sure our average would be at least as high as 24900 if we were at the right end of the table (a point, of course, about the need to play someproper football). Even on ground capacity there was only Wednesday, Derby, Leeds and Southampton (by 500) of last year's Championship sides with greater capacity and Sunderland will swell that number this season (though not Birmingham or West Brom). So Leicester is a big City, with a sizeable core support and a ground to match the capacity of most. Unlike Sheffield (or Sunderland or Bimingham really) Leicester does not have to service two clubs. All we are really missing is the sort of players and style of play which will put bums on seats. Cough Cough# No. Club Average Games vs '05 Highest 1 Norwich City 24.952 23 2,5% 27.470 2 Sheffield Wednesday 24.853 23 7,6% 33.439 3 Ipswich Town 24.253 23 -5,5% 29.184 4 Derby County 24.166 23 -4,2% 30.391 5 Sheffield United 23.650 23 20,7% 30.558 6 Wolverhampton Wanderers 23.624 23 -11,3% 27.980 7 Southampton 23.614 23 -22,9% 30.173 8 Leeds United 22.355 23 -23,5% 27.843 9 Leicester City 22.234 23 -7,9% 25.578 10 Coventry City 21.180 23 32,0% 26.851 11 Reading 20.207 23 17,7% 23.845 12 Hull City 19.841 23 10,1% 23.486 13 Crystal Palace 19.457 23 -19,3% 23.843 14 Watford 15.450 23 8,1% 19.842 15 Stoke City 14.738 23 -10,4% 27.443 16 Preston North End 14.619 23 5,3% 19.350 17 Plymouth Argyle 13.776 23 -16,1% 17.726 18 Queens Park Rangers 13.441 23 -16,3% 16.152 19 Burnley 12.462 23 0,0% 17.912 20 Cardiff City 11.720 23 -9,7% 16.403 21 Millwall 9.529 23 -18,2% 13.209 22 Luton Town 9.139 23 15,1% 10.248 23 Brighton & Hove Albion 6.802 23 5,8% 7.999 9th average and a miserable 10th biggest gate and where did we finish? 16th? We have no money and thin squad. Leicester is split between the football and rugby club. Around 48% of people living in Leicester are asian i belive, and they make up something like 3% of our averge crowd. So City effectively lose half the population of the city as the football club does not to appeal to most asians for whatever reason. We are nowhere near the biggest club in this division. Wednesday had a miserable season, even more so then us, and have still had much bigger crowds then us. EDIT: Oh and with three bigger clubs coming down for the premier league and Coventry possibley having a good season we will be lucky to be in the top half re attedances next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted 10 July 2006 Share Posted 10 July 2006 So whats the difference with Sunderland then?? During the late 80's and early 90's they were only averaging the 13-15 thousand?? Still double what the brummies were getting around this time, and indeed comparable with what Newcastle were getting before Keegan took over there. If MON takes over at the Stadium of Light they'll pull 35000 every week, easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.png.0e7438f54a80a2f2566907f77fd7a32a.thumb.png.0ea5e31693d284629c473304eabd4568.png)
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.