dandannieldanok Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Would you rather have two well performing midfielders in there then or two that hideously cripple each other's talent?It's all about the team as a whole, not names on a sheet. They only played poorly together under Eriksson and McLaren, two very narrow-minded managers. With how well Gerrard and Lampard are both playing for their clubs then yes. Fook sake we are playing another bunch of missfits not Germany and co. If I was gaffer I would play both of them together and say to them go out and do what you want abit like Mike Bassett and I would tell them both to attack. If Terry and Ferdinand are not capable of defending with out a holding midfielder against Kazakstan then we are shit. Boring Barry who will play the ball to Terry or Ferdinand or may push forward and pass to Lampard or Gerrard. Cosmic. Agreed. Barry is simply unable to match the quality of Gerrard and Lampard. People have vilified Lampard a lot and in some cases rightly so, but if you're still unsure who is the more dangerous player to the opposition out of him and Barry, get on youtube and find Lamps' goal against Man City, pass, move, finish with clincal precision, pure quality. I've never seen Barry do anything to match it.
Mikey Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Owen and Young have GOT to be in the squad. Can't understand how Downing is but Young isn't.
dandannieldanok Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 I just hope Capello has the balls to stick with Barry. I just hope Capello has the balls to ignore the failures under Eriksson and McClaren and try Gerrard and Lampard under his system and his instruction.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Barry is simply unable to match the quality of Gerrard and Lampard. People have vilified Lampard a lot and in some cases rightly so, but if you're still unsure who is the more dangerous player to the opposition out of him and Barry, get on youtube and find Lamps' goal against Man City, pass, move, finish with clincal precision, pure quality. I've never seen Barry do anything to match it. Barry and Lampard are two very differently minded midfielders. You won't catch Barry doing much of that because he is a more defensively minded midfielder. He need not get forward in a Villa team in which he feeds Young, Agbonlahor and Carew with through balls. His assisst rate is rather substantial, actually. He is a victim of not being the hero, just doing the dirty stuff. Indeed, if Lampard did more of the dog work in midfield, he probably wouldn't be rated so highly because his goal tally wouldn't be so generous.
andyh1884 Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 I just hope Capello has the balls to ignore the failures under Eriksson and McClaren and try Gerrard and Lampard under his system and his instruction. Well he's not had the balls to ignore the failures under Eriksson and McClaren and is still insisting on picking Downing so I wouldn't hold your breath
Fox You Forest Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 I dunno about England i fancy my chances of getting in the Kazakhstan side, Looking down the bloodline as i type.
Uncle Albert Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Barry and Lampard are two very differently minded midfielders. You won't catch Barry doing much of that because he is a more defensively minded midfielder. He need not get forward in a Villa team in which he feeds Young, Agbonlahor and Carew with through balls. His assisst rate is rather substantial, actually.He is a victim of not being the hero, just doing the dirty stuff. Indeed, if Lampard did more of the dog work in midfield, he probably wouldn't be rated so highly because his goal tally wouldn't be so generous. Defensive minded midfielder? He has only started playing there recently. He was a left back or a left winger at Villa until O'Neil came in.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Defensive minded midfielder? He has only started playing there recently. He was a left back or a left winger at Villa until O'Neil came in. That's right. So of course he'll be a defensively minded midfielder having been converted from left back/centre back.
dandannieldanok Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 I dunno about England i fancy my chances of getting in the Kazakhstan side, Looking down the bloodline as i type. They beat Andorra more convincingly than England.
Sparky Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Its time Gerrard started giving as much for England as he does for Liverpool . Englands best performance for 7 years and he wasnt part of it . Should be the rocket up his arse he needs
Uncle Albert Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 That's right. So of course he'll be a defensively minded midfielder having been converted from left back/centre back. Centre back? You live in a dreamworld.
Maybes Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 No Ashley Young.....what does this fella have to do?
Uncle Albert Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Its time Gerrard started giving as much for England as he does for Liverpool . Englands best performance for 7 years and he wasnt part of it . Should be the rocket up his arse he needs He was apart of the one in 2001 though. Before Lampard and Barry were on the seen. Gerrard was England's top goalscorer in the 2006 World Cup.
andyh1884 Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Defensive minded midfielder? He has only started playing there recently. He was a left back or a left winger at Villa until O'Neil came in. Not sure why it's relevant that he's not played in that position for his entire career.
Fox You Forest Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 They beat Andorra more convincingly than England. Everyone wins more convincingly that England.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Centre back? You live in a dreamworld. He started his career as a centre back. He was apart of the one in 2001 though. Before Lampard and Barry were on the seen. Gerrard was England's top goalscorer in the 2006 World Cup. With two goals. <_<
andyh1884 Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 He was apart of the one in 2001 though. Before Lampard and Barry were on the seen. Gerrard was England's top goalscorer in the 2006 World Cup. And we all know how well Lampard played alongside him in that tournament...
Sparky Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 He was apart of the one in 2001 though. Before Lampard and Barry were on the seen. Gerrard was England's top goalscorer in the 2006 World Cup. Yeah and he was bloody brilliant that night , i could name 20/30 liverpool matches where he has dragged his side by the scruff of the neck to win matches single handed , How many times has he done that for England . As for being the top scorer in the world cup fair play to him , whats he get 2 /3 . Im not saying he is Englands worst player , in my opinion he is as good a central midfielder as anyone in the world but i wanna see more from him at international level . His goals are invaluble as part of his game but id imagine Lampards record would beat Gerrards (stand to be corrected) Stand corrected as very similar Lamps 64 matches 14 goals Stevie G 68 matches 13 goals
sdb Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 i cannot believe people talking about Gerrard & Lamps in the same team again!! how many games will it take for people to realise?! seriously, 50? 60?
dandannieldanok Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Yeah and he was bloody brilliant that night , i could name 20/30 liverpool matches where he has dragged his side by the scruff of the neck to win matches single handed , How many times has he done that for England .As for being the top scorer in the world cup fair play to him , whats he get 2 /3 . Im not saying he is Englands worst player , in my opinion he is as good a central midfielder as anyone in the world but i wanna see more from him at international level . His goals are invaluble as part of his game but id imagine Lampards record would beat Gerrards (stand to be corrected) Even Nick Barmby was brilliant that night. Agree with what you're saying in the main, although Gerrard isn't the only culprit. In fact there are only a few that actually have managed to replicate their club form for England consistently (J Cole, Terry....).
Uncle Albert Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Yeah and he was bloody brilliant that night , i could name 20/30 liverpool matches where he has dragged his side by the scruff of the neck to win matches single handed , How many times has he done that for England .As for being the top scorer in the world cup fair play to him , whats he get 2 /3 . Im not saying he is Englands worst player , in my opinion he is as good a central midfielder as anyone in the world but i wanna see more from him at international level . His goals are invaluble as part of his game but id imagine Lampards record would beat Gerrards (stand to be corrected) Yes. I am not saying Lampard should be the one who should be dropped am I? Lampard and Gerrard didnt work under Erikson or his wing man Mclaren. But this is a new manager who looks like he can the best from players like Walcott and Lampard looks to be playing well again. Have Gerrard and Lampard started in the centre of midfield on their own without Barry since Capello has been in control? No. When Gerrard first came into the team he went something like 37 starts and England didnt lose a single game. Thats when he was playing with Scholes. Can anyone tell me what the difference in Lampard to Scholes is? Because to me they seem to be the same type of player.
lildave3 Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Where the **** is Ashley Young. How can he not rate him?!?!?!
Sparky Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 Yes. I am not saying Lampard should be the one who should be dropped am I? Lampard and Gerrard didnt work under Erikson or his wing man Mclaren. But this is a new manager who looks like he can the best from players like Walcott and Lampard looks to be playing well again. Have Gerrard and Lampard started in the centre of midfield on their own without Barry since Capello has been in control? No. When Gerrard first came into the team he went something like 37 starts and England didnt lose a single game. Thats when he was playing with Scholes. Can anyone tell me what the difference in Lampard to Scholes is? Because to me they seem to be the same type of player. No , i only threw Lamps in to the fray as he seems to be the fall guy amongst fans . Only point i was trying to make was that i wanna see more from 1 of the best players in the world . I may be wrong but dont you follow Liverpool ? Surely you can see my point of how he gives 110 % for the reds and we just dont seem to get that with England . Hope he comes good for England because he is a world beater on his day . As for scholes / Lamps difference , Scholes is a far better techinical midfielder and a better passer of the ball , Lamps is far more direct . Other than that maybe quite similar
Uncle Albert Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 No , i only threw Lamps in to the fray as he seems to be the fall guy amongst fans . Only point i was trying to make was that i wanna see more from 1 of the best players in the world . I may be wrong but dont you follow Liverpool ? Surely you can see my point of how he gives 110 % for the reds and we just dont seem to get that with England . Hope he comes good for England because he is a world beater on his day . As for scholes / Lamps difference , Scholes is a far better techinical midfielder and a better passer of the ball , Lamps is far more direct . Other than that maybe quite similar Yea I follow them as the old man is a Scouser. So yea I can see why you are saying England should get more from him. But my problem is why cant people see that Barry doesnt bring anything to the England team. When we beat Germany 5-1 in 2001 did we play with a holding midfielder? No we didnt, we went out and destroyed a quality German team. So why now in modern football do we need to play one against Kazakstan? Lampard should be in the England team as you shown above he scores goals and so should Gerrard just because he can do something out of nothing. Can Gareth Barry when we need a goal, when the team is playing crap (like Andorra away). No you wont think of Barry's name but if you play Gerrard and Lamps together then you have two names who can do something out of nothing. Holding midfielders are ruining the game. Where were they in 2001 or 2002? When we were playing good football tearing the Danes and Argies apart? And when we gave the Brazilians a run for their money? Rant over.
Tommeh Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 this whole international break is one big farce and keeps the real fans from going to the domestic matches. And owen should be in there yes, proven at international level for a decade now whereas Defoe most certainly is not, and no Ashley young? What is this world coming to! I won't even comment on Stuart downing his inclusions were laughable 3 years ago now their just plain ridiculous.
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