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[lcfc_jme]

whats your point? im not saying that is how it is, im just saying that is how it should be done in an ideal world.

shame we havn't got that european culture here.

European atmosphere, maybe. Culture, no.

As for an ideal world, that's your ideal world. In my ideal world, there wouldn't be many replica shirts, if any, on display at games, fans would all be allowed to stand on terraces and would sing continuously and loudly for 90 minutes, Leicester would be a great team and there'd be no Sky TV, Premier League bigwigs or Setanta ruining football. But oh well, what do I know.

[SussexFox]

not wearing colours but all stood up theres where the atmosphere comes from sadly more hardcore than our fans

[Edmund]

European atmosphere, maybe. Culture, no.

As for an ideal world, that's your ideal world. In my ideal world, there wouldn't be many replica shirts, if any, on display at games, fans would all be allowed to stand on terraces and would sing continuously and loudly for 90 minutes, Leicester would be a great team and there'd be no Sky TV, Premier League bigwigs or Setanta ruining football. But oh well, what do I know.

at least we agree on something

[Edmund]

not wearing colours but all stood up theres where the atmosphere comes from sadly more hardcore than our fans

of course we want a good atmosphere that would be stupid not to.

why on earth would you want the whole stadium to look like a topman/woman clone?

each to there own spose

[Uncle Albert]

What a pic! United away fans are top notch.

Simon two of the lads who were at Shauns went Stoke away with United and said it was unreal how loud they were. Stood near where we were second half.

[Tommeh]

Keele Services.

Just because I will not wear a replica shirt to games, does not make me a chav. I dress nothing like those in the photo. Chavs and shirters. Poor form indeed.

Bang on, same with me.

United have pretty much an unwritten rule that aways are done in black Jackets.

[Shrenchel]

I don't really know where you've got this idea that it's European culture to get decked out in a replica shirt or a t-shirt of your teams colours.

In Italy and Spain there's probably more people wearing neutral colours than in England. I don't think I've ever seen a reppy in the end I stand in in Madrid.

Yeah the ultras have flags and banners of the colours and that does look cracking but that sort of stuff would never past the H&S brigade here.

[SussexFox]

of course we want a good atmosphere that would be stupid not to.

why on earth would you want the whole stadium to look like a topman/woman clone?

each to there own spose

don't think many casuals wear topman

probably will be very unpopular saying this but i think in this country a lot of the people who get all decked out in their brand new replica kits and scarves are generally not very vocal and are a bit geeky

[lildave3]

don't think many casuals wear topman

probably will be very unpopular saying this but i think in this country a lot of the people who get all decked out in their brand new replica kits and scarves are generally not very vocal and are a bit geeky

I'm incredibly geeky and as silent as a mouse. Spot on as ever mate.

[Simi]

I'm incredibly geeky and as silent as a mouse. Spot on as ever mate.

Even though you're an acception I think to some degree it holds water, maybe not with Leicester though.

[lildave3]

Even though you're an acception I think to some degree it holds water, maybe not with Leicester though.

Not everyone that doesn't wear a replica shirt/scarf is vocal.

The clothes you wear doesn't make you what you are.

[lcfc_jme]

Not everyone that doesn't wear a replica shirt/scarf is vocal.

The clothes you wear doesn't make you what you are.

Well done for stating the bleeding obvious, Dave. University research would be ideal for you.

Obviously clothes don't make you what you are, it just appears to be more common for non-replica wearing fans to be louder or more willing to get involved than replica wearers, who tend to be branded the "family type" fan. That's all.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Well I just fooking hate pikeys.

[Tommeh]

I love this colour debate:

Our end at Carlisle.

And Rotherham

And Barnsley last season

Hardly any colour in any and I think they look great.

[lildave3]

I love this colour debate:

And Rotherham

Who took that? Looks a cracking picture.

[Tilley]

In my ideal world, there wouldn't be many replica shirts, if any, on display at games, fans would all be

Why?

Obviously clothes don't make you what you are, it just appears to be more common for non-replica wearing fans to be louder or more willing to get involved than replica wearers, who tend to be branded the "family type" fan. That's all.

I have wore a replica shirt to nearly every game and stand and sing for 90 minutes.

Chat wet.

[SussexFox]

I have wore a replica shirt to nearly every game and stand and sing for 90 minutes.

Chat wet.

He said 'tends to be' more family types - obviously there are exceptions

[Tilley]

He said 'tends to be' more family types - obviously there are exceptions

Yeah I accept that but I've seen a fair few 'young lads' & blokes in City shirts both home and away.

Doesn't make them any less vocal.

[lcfc_jme]

Why?

Because I believe that an entire away end in non-colour, all standing, looks ****ing brilliant, that's why. My opinion, shared by a couple of others on here no less.

I have more a replica shirt to nearly every game and stand and sing for 90 minutes.

Chat wet.

! Hello 2003! Joker.

Did I say "everyone who wears a replica is a JCL who sits on their arse and can't be ****ed to join in with anything"? No? Pipe down then.

I said it's more common for replica wearers to display that behaviour than people who don't wear replicas, that's all. Don't think I'm wrong in saying that. There's exceptions to every rule, there always is. So well done, you seem to be the exception to this one. Well done, I'm proud of you.

[Guest]

People reminsce about the cracking atmosphere in the kop at Filbo but loads of the lads in there that helped make it what it was were young lads going to the games together, getting on the beers, wearing the clothes that working class lads of the time wore. Pretty much just like 'chavs' the everyone likes to demonise these days.

I'm sure that "back in the day" working class lads didn't run up massive credit card bills to buy a load of overpriced labelled clothes they a) can't afford, and b) still look like numpties in.

[Daggers]

I don't get the "working class" thing as if they owned the game.

This hasn't been anything approaching a working class sport since the 70's and clothes had nothing to do with class because everyone at the game would have scarves, hats (and more than a few rattles). At least 50% of the casuals I knew in the 80's weren't working class; they may have been inverted snobs unable to deal with the emasculation induced by their jobs but they sure as shit didn't have dirty finger nails.

As soon as Thatcher came to power a huge shift occurred in the class structure of the country and this fed through to the game. People receiving banning orders over the last thirty years include accountants, lawyers, teachers - the all too professional and cuddly middle classes.

Please, the next time I'm at a game or in the pub, I'd be delighted for anyone to explain to me why they consider themselves to be working class and why it has any relevance at all to football.

I'm wearing a suit to Yeovil. A suit, a scarf and as loud a voice as any Jeremy Kyle show reject

[Tilley]

Because I believe that an entire away end in non-colour, all standing, looks ****ing brilliant, that's why. My opinion, shared by a couple of others on here no less.

Did I say "everyone who wears a replica is a JCL who sits on their arse and can't be ****ed to join in with anything"? No? Pipe down then.

I said it's more common for replica wearers to display that behaviour than people who don't wear replicas, that's all. Don't think I'm wrong in saying that. There's exceptions to every rule, there always is. So well done, you seem to be the exception to this one. Well done, I'm proud of you.

I believe that an entire away end in colour, all standing, looks fucking brilliant.

Hardly the only exception am I? It's not even a majority/minority thing. Ok, you get a few families decked heard to toe in whatever has the logo on that they can pick up from the club shop, but there are still alot of people who are vocal and wish to stand who wear colours too.

When you've got five minutes to get your head out your arse, we can have an actual conversation about it.

[lcfc_jme]

I believe that an entire away end in colour, all standing, looks fucking brilliant.

Hardly the only exception am I? It's not even a majority/minority thing. Ok, you get a few families decked heard to toe in whatever has the logo on that they can pick up from the club shop, but there are still alot of people who are vocal and wish to stand who wear colours too.

When you've got five minutes to get your head out your arse, we can have an actual conversation about it.

at internet powerhouse.

Head very much out of arse, I couldn't care less if you're a shirt wearer dude, that's your personal preference. If you're into that sort of thing, then fair play and good luck with it.

As Ched intimated, it's probably not as bad at a club like ours, but it gets worse the further up the ladder you go. All I'll say is that somebody who isn't wearing a replica, especially as you get higher up the ladder, is MUCH less likely to be branded a JCL or a family-type fan than somebody wearing a replica. Harsh or unfair or whatever, but true. If that's hit a nerve with you, then it's something you're going to have to deal with. It isn't my problem.

I never once denied the fact that some people wearing replicas will stand and be vocal - merely claimed that those in replicas are more likely to want to sit and not join in with songs. How you fail to grasp that is baffling.

Also nice of you to pick just me out of this whole discussion as well. Can't have you squabbling with the clique even if they think like me, can we?

I swear some people just hate the banter because it has come from me.

[SussexFox]

I'm sure that "back in the day" working class lads didn't run up massive credit card bills to buy a load of overpriced labelled clothes they a) can't afford, and b) still look like numpties in.

I think you're wrong there Lisa i guess the closest comparison is gypsies or chavs wearing bling

I don't get the "working class" thing as if they owned the game.

This hasn't been anything approaching a working class sport since the 70's and clothes had nothing to do with class because everyone at the game would have scarves, hats (and more than a few rattles). At least 50% of the casuals I knew in the 80's weren't working class; they may have been inverted snobs unable to deal with the emasculation induced by their jobs but they sure as shit didn't have dirty finger nails.

As soon as Thatcher came to power a huge shift occurred in the class structure of the country and this fed through to the game. People receiving banning orders over the last thirty years include accountants, lawyers, teachers - the all too professional and cuddly middle classes.

Please, the next time I'm at a game or in the pub, I'd be delighted for anyone to explain to me why they consider themselves to be working class and why it has any relevance at all to football.

I'm wearing a suit to Yeovil. A suit, a scarf and as loud a voice as any Jeremy Kyle show reject

Well I thought the game used to be traditionally more working class however sky tv, massive increases in ticket prices, the government/FA's drive to clean up the game etc has changed that.

In my opinion that is the overiding factor as to why football is losing its atmosphere too many prawn sandwich eaters

[lildave3]

So basically, you people hate people that sit in silence, not replica shirts.