the big levein debate

[MADLEVEIN]

when i come on f.t nearly most of the posts circle around caig leveins ability or lack of it to run our great club, now some of the posts are funny, realistic or downright stupid, but the only way we are going to find out if this blokes a duffer is to wait and see.

taylor was given a gun loaded with millions of pounds in which he shot straight into his head and left the the mess from his little brain all over our club and got us relegated.

adams acheved promotion with arguably one of the best team in the division, got us relegated the year after whilst also managing to get the club dragged through some more shit with the la-manga affair, and after this stated that we would be going stright back up not in the play-offs but in the top two, unfortunately lack of funds, poor tactics and a string of shocking performances forced him to quit.

craig levein was shipped in, who ?, and immediatley instilled a bit of discipline got a few results which was possibly down to the players out performing themselves to keep there places in the team, he then made some aquisitions from the club he previously managed , players who he knew and trusted without jumping in the deep end at players he didnt really know down here in england.

the style of play since has been easier on the eye but performances have not been rewarded with the right results on some occasions.

i for one dont believe that craig levein will drag this club through the dirt, or squander any money that he manages to come across or get us relegated as our last two managers have done.

rant over

[Random Burglar]

Good rant

[SilverFox]

Agreed, good rant! However if you are looking for reasoned debate beware...FoxesTalks very own BNP representative Chandler is incapable of it!

[shen]

I wouldn't call it a 'big' debate at all... Chandler is blowing his trumpet every now and then, with a small minority sharing his views, albeit in a less elaborate way. But apart from that most on here support CL and share his views on the broader picture of how this club is to move forward. After some disappointing performances though, it's only natural that questions are asked, and CL's decisions are scrutinised, amongst others his dubious substitutions (or lack of!) and player positions in his team selection. But so far, my opinion is that CL is stabilising the club and steering it in the right way. That is not something that can be seen result-wise yet and this is the area where the likes of Chandler will keep on attacking CL. However, if next season he can get a good start and challenge for a playoff place, most doubters will quickly be put to rest.

[Fox in a Box]

Be careful of what you say about or too CL.

He got banned for 10 games for hitting his own player!

Leave him alone.

[Chandler]

when i come on f.t nearly most of the posts circle around caig leveins ability or lack of it to run our great club, now some of the posts are funny, realistic or downright stupid, but the only way we are going to find out if this blokes a duffer is to wait and see.

taylor was given a gun loaded with millions of pounds in which he shot straight into his head and left the the mess from his little brain all over our club and got us relegated.

adams acheved promotion with arguably one of the best team in the division, got us relegated the year after whilst also managing to get the club dragged through some more shit with the la-manga affair, and after this stated that we would be going stright back up not in the play-offs but in the top two, unfortunately lack of funds, poor tactics and a string of shocking performances forced him to quit.

craig levein was shipped in, who ?, and immediatley instilled a bit of discipline got a few results which was possibly down to the players out performing themselves to keep there places in the team, he then made some aquisitions from the club he previously managed , players who he knew and trusted without jumping in the deep end at players he didnt really know down here in england.

the style of play since has been easier on the eye but performances have not been rewarded with the right results on some occasions.

i for one dont believe that craig levein will drag this club through the dirt, or squander any money that he manages to come across or get us relegated as our last two managers have done.

rant over 

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For the benefit of all, Mad Levein, please explain EXACTLY what happened at La Manga including any 'crimes' that Adams aided and abetted.

[Knighton Matt]

i don't think adams did a lot wrong i mean all this talk of not setting a curfew? come on please it wasn't the prep school trip to france here these were 30year old men we're talking about! however he did offer to resign afterwards which was a bit odd? did he feel personally reponsible or did he just think it was the necessary action to take to appease the public?

[Guest]

For the benefit of all, Mad Levein, please explain EXACTLY what happened at La Manga including any 'crimes' that Adams aided and abetted.

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I think people found that in allowing a bunch of overpaid primadonna's the freedom of a resort renowned for accommodating footballers was naive at the very least.

[Chandler]

Agreed, good rant!  However if you are looking for reasoned debate beware...FoxesTalks very own BNP representative Chandler is incapable of it!

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As bad a case of sour grapes that I've come across on these boards.

If I was as bitter and twisted as you SF I might suggest you were a gun toting card carrying Provo...

[BartonFox]

when i come on f.t nearly most of the posts circle around caig leveins ability or lack of it to run our great club, now some of the posts are funny, realistic or downright stupid, but the only way we are going to find out if this blokes a duffer is to wait and see.

taylor was given a gun loaded with millions of pounds in which he shot straight into his head and left the the mess from his little brain all over our club and got us relegated.

adams acheved promotion with arguably one of the best team in the division, got us relegated the year after whilst also managing to get the club dragged through some more shit with the la-manga affair, and after this stated that we would be going stright back up not in the play-offs but in the top two, unfortunately lack of funds, poor tactics and a string of shocking performances forced him to quit.

craig levein was shipped in, who ?, and immediatley instilled a bit of discipline got a few results which was possibly down to the players out performing themselves to keep there places in the team, he then made some aquisitions from the club he previously managed , players who he knew and trusted without jumping in the deep end at players he didnt really know down here in england.

the style of play since has been easier on the eye but performances have not been rewarded with the right results on some occasions.

i for one dont believe that craig levein will drag this club through the dirt, or squander any money that he manages to come across or get us relegated as our last two managers have done.

rant over 

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For the benefit of all, Mad Levein, please explain EXACTLY what happened at La Manga including any 'crimes' that Adams aided and abetted.

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I don't believe MADLEVEIN made any reference to criminal acts. What he is suggesting is, that as manager, the buck stopped with Micky Adams and as he didn't impose a curfew on his players he must take the blame.

Not unreasonable if you ask me.

[Chandler]

For the benefit of all, Mad Levein, please explain EXACTLY what happened at La Manga including any 'crimes' that Adams aided and abetted.

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I think people found that in allowing a bunch of overpaid primadonna's the freedom of a resort renowned for accommodating footballers was naive at the very least.

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...which would be an argument against ALL clubs authorising such beano's. These jaunts tend to be funded privately by club directors and their chums. Team managers do not 'organise' them.

And you can't offer grown men a vacation and turn it into a boot camp.

C'mon Mad Levein I'm waiting for more of your absurd claims.

[breadandcheese]

I agree with Chandler. La Manga was not and never was the fault or responsibility of Micky Adams. In fact, I would go one further nad applaud Micky Adams for attempting to deflect the criticism away from his players on to him personally. In offering his resignation, he did this and took personal responsibility away from the idiot players who got caught up in this.

La Manga was always and is still the fault of the idiot players who got involved. They were stupid and irresponsible. Let's put this into perspective, some of the players involved have children. This means they are responsible for dependents, for everything from food to clothing to education. To suggest that Micky should have molly-coddled these players because they are not responsible enough for their own behaviour is laughable.

The players at La Manga got rinsed by two stupid German prostitutes. End of. They could have chosen to behave like professionals. They chose not. My friend always tell me the story about how he saw Frank Sinclair out one night in London during a pre-season. He said he was absolutely off his head drunk. The next week, he saw Thierry Henry out. Mr. Henry was strictly on tap water the whole night. Therein lies the difference and an explanation for La Manga.

Anyway, that's enough about La Manga. It's history. Time for the Levein era.

[Frenzied]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

[Chandler]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

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For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

[Steven]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

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This post is racist and should be banned, along with the Poster. The Players were guilty of a lack of professionalism, and that justice system you berate, cleared them once initially and on appeal.

[Chandler]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

100155[/snapback]

This post is racist and should be banned, along with the Poster. The Players were guilty of a lack of professionalism, and that justice system you berate, cleared them once initially and on appeal.

100158[/snapback]

Come on you politically correct buffoon, explain to everybody EXACTLY how my post is racist.

[Frenzied]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

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** Perhaps you should learn to have a debate without resorting to your childish little outbursts.

The players were victims in the scandal but they were on a training session and should not have been up until all hours getting p*ssed, especially since we were battling relegation at the time. So therefore, you emotionally stunted inbicile, they were to blame for letting Leicester City down, including the fans, not to mention in some cases their families.

The players and club showed a serious lack of judgement that started in there being no curfew, moved on to a lack of professionalism by the players and almost ended up with three of them being sent to prison for rape. In the process the name of Leicester City was seriously tarnished.

[Steven]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

100155[/snapback]

This post is racist and should be banned, along with the Poster. The Players were guilty of a lack of professionalism, and that justice system you berate, cleared them once initially and on appeal.

100158[/snapback]

Come on you politically correct buffoon, explain to everybody EXACTLY how my post is racist.

100163[/snapback]

"Come on you politically correct buffoon" - abusive. <_<

"... and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had" ... "... a shit legal system... "- by using the word "local" you are clearly gratuitously making reference to the place in which it occurred, but still using an outdated model of what the Country is like. As the Players were cleared one wonders how "shit" the system really is.

It would seem that your thinking about the Spanish is still coloured by a vision of a Franco-controlled Spain. Your comments about the Spanish have been unnecessarily pejorative as though being Spanish will lead to corruption and an inadequate legal system. I fail to see how this behaviour could not be considered racist. <_<

[Chandler]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

100155[/snapback]

** Perhaps you should learn to have a debate without resorting to your childish little outbursts.

The players were victims in the scandal but they were on a training session and should not have been up until all hours getting p*ssed, especially since we were battling relegation at the time. So therefore, you emotionally stunted inbicile, they were to blame for letting Leicester City down, including the fans, not to mention in some cases their families.

The players and club showed a serious lack of judgement that started in there being no curfew, moved on to a lack of professionalism by the players and almost ended up with three of them being sent to prison for rape. In the process the name of Leicester City was seriously tarnished.

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According to the libel in the Screws the 'fabricated' incident happened before midnight and the players were not reported as drunk. The actual assault by one of the tarts on Paul Dickov was also reported as occuring before midnight.

Frenzied, you are just another who is trying to smear the previous management and squad. You are the shit who is tarnishing the name of the club by continually repeating these lies. You do this because you are dumb. Dumb because you think it is a legitimate diversion to cover up for the incompetence of the current manager.

[Chandler]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

100155[/snapback]

This post is racist and should be banned, along with the Poster. The Players were guilty of a lack of professionalism, and that justice system you berate, cleared them once initially and on appeal.

100158[/snapback]

Come on you politically correct buffoon, explain to everybody EXACTLY how my post is racist.

100163[/snapback]

"Come on you politically correct buffoon" - abusive. <_<

"... and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had" ... "... a shit legal system... "- by using the word "local" you are clearly gratuitously making reference to the place in which it occurred, but still using an outdated model of what the Country is like. As the Players were cleared one wonders how "shit" the system really is.

It would seem that your thinking about the Spanish is still coloured by a vision of a Franco-controlled Spain. Your comments about the Spanish have been unnecessarily pejorative as though being Spanish will lead to corruption and an inadequate legal system. I fail to see how this behaviour could not be considered racist. <_<

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[/quot

And I suppose that to criticise the EU, any African despotism you care to mention and the EU as corrupt is also 'racist?'

Ever asked some of the unfortunates who bought holiday properties in Spain through Spanish lawyers what they thought about them? Or the golden oldies who bought retirement homes in Valencia what they thought of the city's legislature?

Do you know what habeus corpus is pal? Ever heard of the Napoleonic Code? What are it's provisions on the presumption of innocence? Are you familiar with how local justices, prosecutors and defence solicitors IN SPAIN collude in everything from local property deals to setting outrageous bail bonds?

If La Manga had happened in London our players would never have been detained, never have been charged and never have made a court appearance. The club would not have had to have put up a bond. The prostitutes would have been successfully prosecuted for bring false allegations and The Screws for libel.

The Grosvenor roastings (where there were genuine grounds for suspicion) and the Hamilton's/ Milroy Sloane cases are copper bottomed proof of my argument.

You are a pious, pompous shit Steven, who uses the charge of racism as a catch-all both as a cover for your ignorance of how the modern world works and as a way of silencing anyone who disagrees with you. You are also a sly autocratic wolf in bleating, bleedin' heart liberal clothing.

Banned for criticising Spanish justice - what a complete tosser you are!

[Frenzied]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

100155[/snapback]

** Perhaps you should learn to have a debate without resorting to your childish little outbursts.

The players were victims in the scandal but they were on a training session and should not have been up until all hours getting p*ssed, especially since we were battling relegation at the time. So therefore, you emotionally stunted inbicile, they were to blame for letting Leicester City down, including the fans, not to mention in some cases their families.

The players and club showed a serious lack of judgement that started in there being no curfew, moved on to a lack of professionalism by the players and almost ended up with three of them being sent to prison for rape. In the process the name of Leicester City was seriously tarnished.

100167[/snapback]

According to the libel in the Screws the 'fabricated' incident happened before midnight and the players were not reported as drunk. The actual assault by one of the tarts on Paul Dickov was also reported as occuring before midnight.

Frenzied, you are just another who is trying to smear the previous management and squad. You are the shit who is tarnishing the name of the club by continually repeating these lies. You do this because you are dumb. Dumb because you think it is a legitimate diversion to cover up for the incompetence of the current manager.

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Well that's a reliable source bonehead. In fact didn't it also report otherwise on other occasions, as did the other rags.

As for me trying to smear the previous management and squad, how do you equate that? All I've said is that a degree of responsibility for the problems in La Manga has to lie at the feet of the club and therefore Adams. If you'd read properly what I'd written, you might have understood that I believe the responsibility was minimal in comparison to the whole affair. My point was that there should have been a curfew.

In relation to the utter immaturity of your post, I think it is you that is tarnishing the name of the club with your constant attacks on fans and in many cases their origins. You quite clearly have some severe emotional problems, not to mention a distinct lack of football intelligence. So, why don't you put your dummy back in your mouth, crawl back into your pram and stfu.

[Steven]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

100155[/snapback]

This post is racist and should be banned, along with the Poster. The Players were guilty of a lack of professionalism, and that justice system you berate, cleared them once initially and on appeal.

100158[/snapback]

Come on you politically correct buffoon, explain to everybody EXACTLY how my post is racist.

100163[/snapback]

"Come on you politically correct buffoon" - abusive. <_<

"... and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had" ... "... a shit legal system... "- by using the word "local" you are clearly gratuitously making reference to the place in which it occurred, but still using an outdated model of what the Country is like. As the Players were cleared one wonders how "shit" the system really is.

It would seem that your thinking about the Spanish is still coloured by a vision of a Franco-controlled Spain. Your comments about the Spanish have been unnecessarily pejorative as though being Spanish will lead to corruption and an inadequate legal system. I fail to see how this behaviour could not be considered racist. <_<

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And I suppose that to criticise the EU, any African despotism you care to mention and the EU as corrupt is also 'racist?'

Ever asked some of the unfortunates who bought holiday properties in Spain through Spanish lawyers what they thought about them? Or the golden oldies who bought retirement homes in Valencia what they thought of the city's legislature?

Do you know what habeus corpus is pal? Ever heard of the Napoleonic Code? What are it's provisions on the presumption of innocence? Are you familiar with how local justices, prosecutors and defence solicitors IN SPAIN collude in everything from local property deals to setting outrageous bail bonds?

If La Manga had happened in London our players would never have been detained, never have been charged and never have made a court appearance. The club would not have had to have put up a bond. The prostitutes would have been successfully prosecuted for bring false allegations and The Screws for libel.

The Grosvenor roastings (where there were genuine grounds for suspicion) and the Hamilton's/ Milroy Sloane cases are copper bottomed proof of my argument.

You are a pious, pompous shit Steven, who uses the charge of racism as a catch-all both as a cover for your ignorance of how the modern world works and as a way of silencing anyone who disagrees with you. You are also a sly autocratic wolf in bleating, bleedin' heart liberal clothing.

Banned for criticising Spanish justice - what a complete tosser you are!

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I am reminded of a quote Denis Healy used when describing an attack made upon him Geoffrey Howe that it was like "being mauled by a dead sheep". I know how Healey felt.

As fas being a "pious, pompous shit Steven, who uses the charge of racism as a catch-all both as a cover for your ignorance of how the modern world works and as a way of silencing anyone who disagrees with you. You are also a sly autocratic wolf in bleating, bleedin' heart liberal clothing.", perhaps I am, but to me that is a blessing. I see the World for what it is and refuse to bring my petty prejudices to bear when they are not needed. I am tolerant, fair and able to reach out to people, I live in a World of hope and freedom.

You Chandler, on the other hand are more like the petty tyrants that are taking over the UK, the jobsworths, those people who fail to use their common sense. You live in a world of fear, intolerance, shelfishness, despair and bitterness, and you will not be happy until everyone shares that World with you.

[Simon]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

100141[/snapback]

For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

100155[/snapback]

This post is racist and should be banned, along with the Poster. The Players were guilty of a lack of professionalism, and that justice system you berate, cleared them once initially and on appeal.

100158[/snapback]

Come on you politically correct buffoon, explain to everybody EXACTLY how my post is racist.

100163[/snapback]

"Come on you politically correct buffoon" - abusive. <_<

"... and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had" ... "... a shit legal system... "- by using the word "local" you are clearly gratuitously making reference to the place in which it occurred, but still using an outdated model of what the Country is like. As the Players were cleared one wonders how "shit" the system really is.

It would seem that your thinking about the Spanish is still coloured by a vision of a Franco-controlled Spain. Your comments about the Spanish have been unnecessarily pejorative as though being Spanish will lead to corruption and an inadequate legal system. I fail to see how this behaviour could not be considered racist. <_<

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And I suppose that to criticise the EU, any African despotism you care to mention and the EU as corrupt is also 'racist?'

Ever asked some of the unfortunates who bought holiday properties in Spain through Spanish lawyers what they thought about them? Or the golden oldies who bought retirement homes in Valencia what they thought of the city's legislature?

Do you know what habeus corpus is pal? Ever heard of the Napoleonic Code? What are it's provisions on the presumption of innocence? Are you familiar with how local justices, prosecutors and defence solicitors IN SPAIN collude in everything from local property deals to setting outrageous bail bonds?

If La Manga had happened in London our players would never have been detained, never have been charged and never have made a court appearance. The club would not have had to have put up a bond. The prostitutes would have been successfully prosecuted for bring false allegations and The Screws for libel.

The Grosvenor roastings (where there were genuine grounds for suspicion) and the Hamilton's/ Milroy Sloane cases are copper bottomed proof of my argument.

You are a pious, pompous shit Steven, who uses the charge of racism as a catch-all both as a cover for your ignorance of how the modern world works and as a way of silencing anyone who disagrees with you. You are also a sly autocratic wolf in bleating, bleedin' heart liberal clothing.

Banned for criticising Spanish justice - what a complete tosser you are!

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I'm sorry Chandler, but thats not true. They may not have been held in the way that they were, BUT if it was this country and allegations of that type were made then yes, the Police would have had not choice but to act on them and they would, no doubt have been arrested.

[Chandler]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

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For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

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** Perhaps you should learn to have a debate without resorting to your childish little outbursts.

The players were victims in the scandal but they were on a training session and should not have been up until all hours getting p*ssed, especially since we were battling relegation at the time. So therefore, you emotionally stunted inbicile, they were to blame for letting Leicester City down, including the fans, not to mention in some cases their families.

The players and club showed a serious lack of judgement that started in there being no curfew, moved on to a lack of professionalism by the players and almost ended up with three of them being sent to prison for rape. In the process the name of Leicester City was seriously tarnished.

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According to the libel in the Screws the 'fabricated' incident happened before midnight and the players were not reported as drunk. The actual assault by one of the tarts on Paul Dickov was also reported as occuring before midnight.

Frenzied, you are just another who is trying to smear the previous management and squad. You are the shit who is tarnishing the name of the club by continually repeating these lies. You do this because you are dumb. Dumb because you think it is a legitimate diversion to cover up for the incompetence of the current manager.

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Well that's a reliable source bonehead. In fact didn't it also report otherwise on other occasions, as did the other rags.

As for me trying to smear the previous management and squad, how do you equate that? All I've said is that a degree of responsibility for the problems in La Manga has to lie at the feet of the club and therefore Adams. If you'd read properly what I'd written, you might have understood that I believe the responsibility was minimal in comparison to the whole affair. My point was that there should have been a curfew.

In relation to the utter immaturity of your post, I think it is you that is tarnishing the name of the club with your constant attacks on fans and in many cases their origins. You quite clearly have some severe emotional problems, not to mention a distinct lack of football intelligence. So, why don't you put your dummy back in your mouth, crawl back into your pram and stfu.

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None of them did. That was all 'boardtalk' put about by w*nkers like you to justify the absurd curfew idea which was a just a device to get at Adams.

You've also got your intellectual knickers on the wrong way round (along with your crap filled real ones) re. corporate responsibility - that rests with the board. But that cuts no ice in your preposterous universe where you hang the victim and worship the criminal.

For your information you sad, lying dog I don't attack the origins of any fans particularly when they are the same as my own. I'll tell you who I attack. Frauds and phonies.

And fickle boneheads like you who constantly revise the past to smear good servants of the club and suck up to current incompetents.

[MADLEVEIN]

hi chandler im here with some of my absurd allegations once again, pot..kettle..and black spring to mind but hey im not a bitter person, but in response to your post i would like to say that my point of view about la-manga is this;

we were facing finacial ruin at the time, why take a whole football club on a trip abroad

during these hard times, if directors and boardroom finaced this trip why the hell didnt they finance the playing side.

it would of been micky adams decision wether or not to go, and to MANAGE the players whilst they was there.

if this is so hard to understand then excuse me for boneheaded fickleness!