the big levein debate

[Simon]

Apart from Chandler's idiotic and condescending attitude towards other posters and his (partly true) sideswipe at the Spanish legal system. I happen to agree with him (I know, I think I need to lie down ) that Mickey Adams' should shoulder little, if any blame for the La Manga affair. The players are adults, yes I think they were wrong to go out when they should have been out the next day training, and I think they were silly to be seen with those women. But to try and use this as ammunition against Adams completely bemuses me...

[Steven]

I happen to agree with him (I know, I think I need to lie down ) ...

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No, you need urgent medical help.

[Simon]

I happen to agree with him (I know, I think I need to lie down ) ...

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No, you need urgent medical help.

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[step]

I have to conceed that I agree with Chandler. The players did very little wrong and MA did nothing wrong at all.

As I understand it, the pros, nicked sinclairs braclet and because they where scared of being arrested for it, they accuses the city players of rape.

The players where not drunk, or even load or boystrose they where just chilling out and IMO it was a good team building excersise that back fired

But Chandler please dont get so effing crazy about things. we are all entiteled to our opinions, how ever much we may disagree with each other, no one deserves the attacks you subject people to.

You could have discused this issue and probably won most people over to your opinion if you had taken a more gentle and diplomatic approach.

[Chandler]

I have to conceed that I agree with Chandler.  The players did very little wrong and MA did nothing wrong at all.

As I understand it, the pros, nicked sinclairs braclet and because they where scared of being arrested for it, they accuses the city players of rape.

The players where not drunk, or even load or boystrose they where just chilling out and IMO it was a good team building excersise that back fired

But Chandler please dont get so effing crazy about things. we are all entiteled to our opinions, how ever much we may disagree with each other, no one deserves the attacks you subject people to.

You could have discused this issue and probably won most people over to your opinion if you had taken a more gentle and diplomatic approach.

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You know when the neutrals rally to the cause you're winning the argument. But when two of your oldest enemies gather round the standard it is game set and match. Gloat, gloat Mad Levein, Silver Fox, Frenzied and other revisionist boneheads.

I must confess Step, that I was never told about Mad Franks bracelet. The official line is that the tarts trashed their room in a cat fight after our City stars managed to resist their charms. The hotel alerted airport security who then fell for our tarts' tall tale about a gang bang causing the room wreck. The rest is history.

Or to put it more accurately REVISIONIST history of the fickle bonehead kind. The kind that implies drug and sex crazed City stars (under orders from their manager) chased and anally raped three under aged, jolly hockey stick wielding St Trinians' virgins...

[Louise]

I thought it was Dickov's necklace?

[step]

It could have been dickovs, i cant remember

[shen]

The La Manga debate (which isn't what this thread was about!) should have been stopped after breadandcheese's post. He summed it up well. Instead it's become another pointless slanging match... <_<

[Knighton Matt]

apparently they were all sat at the lobby bar and when the leicester players came back into the hotel they all started laughing at dickov saying he was small and therefore he had a 'small willy' so i think him and a few of the players had a go back which resulted in an altercation in which dickov's necklace was snapped off. then the next morning the allegations emerged.

hope that clears it up.

[Frenzied]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

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For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

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** Perhaps you should learn to have a debate without resorting to your childish little outbursts.

The players were victims in the scandal but they were on a training session and should not have been up until all hours getting p*ssed, especially since we were battling relegation at the time. So therefore, you emotionally stunted inbicile, they were to blame for letting Leicester City down, including the fans, not to mention in some cases their families.

The players and club showed a serious lack of judgement that started in there being no curfew, moved on to a lack of professionalism by the players and almost ended up with three of them being sent to prison for rape. In the process the name of Leicester City was seriously tarnished.

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According to the libel in the Screws the 'fabricated' incident happened before midnight and the players were not reported as drunk. The actual assault by one of the tarts on Paul Dickov was also reported as occuring before midnight.

Frenzied, you are just another who is trying to smear the previous management and squad. You are the shit who is tarnishing the name of the club by continually repeating these lies. You do this because you are dumb. Dumb because you think it is a legitimate diversion to cover up for the incompetence of the current manager.

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Well that's a reliable source bonehead. In fact didn't it also report otherwise on other occasions, as did the other rags.

As for me trying to smear the previous management and squad, how do you equate that? All I've said is that a degree of responsibility for the problems in La Manga has to lie at the feet of the club and therefore Adams. If you'd read properly what I'd written, you might have understood that I believe the responsibility was minimal in comparison to the whole affair. My point was that there should have been a curfew.

In relation to the utter immaturity of your post, I think it is you that is tarnishing the name of the club with your constant attacks on fans and in many cases their origins. You quite clearly have some severe emotional problems, not to mention a distinct lack of football intelligence. So, why don't you put your dummy back in your mouth, crawl back into your pram and stfu.

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None of them did. That was all 'boardtalk' put about by w*nkers like you to justify the absurd curfew idea which was a just a device to get at Adams.

You've also got your intellectual knickers on the wrong way round (along with your crap filled real ones) re. corporate responsibility - that rests with the board. But that cuts no ice in your preposterous universe where you hang the victim and worship the criminal.

For your information you sad, lying dog I don't attack the origins of any fans particularly when they are the same as my own. I'll tell you who I attack. Frauds and phonies.

And fickle boneheads like you who constantly revise the past to smear good servants of the club and suck up to current incompetents.

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Well there's lie number one. I read all the tabloids at that time and they were peddling different versions of the event almost daily. Get your facts right.

Let me clarify my position to you again Chandler, as it seems you're having great difficulty in understanding my point. I do and did not believe the players were guilty of the accusations. However, I do believe that some of them acted irresponsibly. Now according to some opinions they weren't drunk. This may be true. Nevertheless, they managed to get themselves into a position whereby three of them ended up in a Spanish prison accused of rape. It is my opinion that they probably were drunk, which I would have no problem with apart from the fact that they were on a training trip and fighting relegation at the time. If you keep up to date with the media, you'll have noticed a number of Forest players got themselves into trouble by drinking before a crucial game.

Now, considering past problems at La Manga of all places, a sensible decision would have been to have a curfew place on the players, as happens with other clubs and the national team. Therefore, the club and Adams must share a very small part of the responsibility.

Let me now clarify my position on Adams. I was not one of the fans calling for his head - my position was that it takes time for a new set of players to gel. However, in hindsight I believe the departure of Adams was the best thing for the club, as he had clearly lost the respect of the players and a significant proportion of the fans. I was also bewildered at some of his tactical decisions and signings but still gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Back to your points - corporate responsibility? Are you having a laugh or are you really as thick as you come across? I thought you said Leicester City was innocent of any crime (which it was), so how on earth could they be culpable. Your point, you cretin, is totally illogical.

You don't attack the origins of the fans? Lie number two (at least). I can think of two members on this board whose origins you've attacked, which leads me to believe Steven is right about you - you are a prejudiced little sh*t.

And back to Levein. I assume, judging by your previous posts that's who you are talking about when you refer to current incompetents. Quite simply, in my opinion and that of the majority of fans Levein is doing the right thing. Discipline has returned to the players, we're playing good football for the first time in ages, he's building a young hungry team that should be capable of reaching the Premiership and crucially might actually keep us there. Oh, and his signings have been excellent so far.

Finally Chandler, you need therapy. You are quite obviously suffering from problems that only several years of intense psychoanalysis might solve. Who do you think you are in behaving in an aggressive and insulting manner towards complete strangers? Quite clearly you are emotionally deficient and feel that because you are sitting at a computer you can behave towards other people in any way you please. You are quite frankly a sad sad little boy.

[Chandler]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

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For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

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** Perhaps you should learn to have a debate without resorting to your childish little outbursts.

The players were victims in the scandal but they were on a training session and should not have been up until all hours getting p*ssed, especially since we were battling relegation at the time. So therefore, you emotionally stunted inbicile, they were to blame for letting Leicester City down, including the fans, not to mention in some cases their families.

The players and club showed a serious lack of judgement that started in there being no curfew, moved on to a lack of professionalism by the players and almost ended up with three of them being sent to prison for rape. In the process the name of Leicester City was seriously tarnished.

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According to the libel in the Screws the 'fabricated' incident happened before midnight and the players were not reported as drunk. The actual assault by one of the tarts on Paul Dickov was also reported as occuring before midnight.

Frenzied, you are just another who is trying to smear the previous management and squad. You are the shit who is tarnishing the name of the club by continually repeating these lies. You do this because you are dumb. Dumb because you think it is a legitimate diversion to cover up for the incompetence of the current manager.

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Well that's a reliable source bonehead. In fact didn't it also report otherwise on other occasions, as did the other rags.

As for me trying to smear the previous management and squad, how do you equate that? All I've said is that a degree of responsibility for the problems in La Manga has to lie at the feet of the club and therefore Adams. If you'd read properly what I'd written, you might have understood that I believe the responsibility was minimal in comparison to the whole affair. My point was that there should have been a curfew.

In relation to the utter immaturity of your post, I think it is you that is tarnishing the name of the club with your constant attacks on fans and in many cases their origins. You quite clearly have some severe emotional problems, not to mention a distinct lack of football intelligence. So, why don't you put your dummy back in your mouth, crawl back into your pram and stfu.

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None of them did. That was all 'boardtalk' put about by w*nkers like you to justify the absurd curfew idea which was a just a device to get at Adams.

You've also got your intellectual knickers on the wrong way round (along with your crap filled real ones) re. corporate responsibility - that rests with the board. But that cuts no ice in your preposterous universe where you hang the victim and worship the criminal.

For your information you sad, lying dog I don't attack the origins of any fans particularly when they are the same as my own. I'll tell you who I attack. Frauds and phonies.

And fickle boneheads like you who constantly revise the past to smear good servants of the club and suck up to current incompetents.

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Well there's lie number one. I read all the tabloids at that time and they were peddling different versions of the event almost daily. Get your facts right.

Let me clarify my position to you again Chandler, as it seems you're having great difficulty in understanding my point. I do and did not believe the players were guilty of the accusations. However, I do believe that some of them acted irresponsibly. Now according to some opinions they weren't drunk. This may be true. Nevertheless, they managed to get themselves into a position whereby three of them ended up in a Spanish prison accused of rape. It is my opinion that they probably were drunk, which I would have no problem with apart from the fact that they were on a training trip and fighting relegation at the time. If you keep up to date with the media, you'll have noticed a number of Forest players got themselves into trouble by drinking before a crucial game.

Now, considering past problems at La Manga of all places, a sensible decision would have been to have a curfew place on the players, as happens with other clubs and the national team. Therefore, the club and Adams must share a very small part of the responsibility.

Let me now clarify my position on Adams. I was not one of the fans calling for his head - my position was that it takes time for a new set of players to gel. However, in hindsight I believe the departure of Adams was the best thing for the club, as he had clearly lost the respect of the players and a significant proportion of the fans. I was also bewildered at some of his tactical decisions and signings but still gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Back to your points - corporate responsibility? Are you having a laugh or are you really as thick as you come across? I thought you said Leicester City was innocent of any crime (which it was), so how on earth could they be culpable. Your point, you cretin, is totally illogical.

You don't attack the origins of the fans? Lie number two (at least). I can think of two members on this board whose origins you've attacked, which leads me to believe Steven is right about you - you are a prejudiced little sh*t.

And back to Levein. I assume, judging by your previous posts that's who you are talking about when you refer to current incompetents. Quite simply, in my opinion and that of the majority of fans Levein is doing the right thing. Discipline has returned to the players, we're playing good football for the first time in ages, he's building a young hungry team that should be capable of reaching the Premiership and crucially might actually keep us there. Oh, and his signings have been excellent so far.

Finally Chandler, you need therapy. You are quite obviously suffering from problems that only several years of intense psychoanalysis might solve. Who do you think you are in behaving in an aggressive and insulting manner towards complete strangers? Quite clearly you are emotionally deficient and feel that because you are sitting at a computer you can behave towards other people in any way you please. You are quite frankly a sad sad little boy.

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I am talking about the general rule of corporate responsibility ****head. I did not say that LCFC should be held accountable for for wholly fictitious incidents at at La Manga. Once again, a case of you reading things into my statement.

What is abundantly clear is that you are rowing back from your original accusations under pressure from me and others who would not normally support me in such an argument.

Another reason for your backtracking is that you have a very poor recollection of actual events at La Manga. You've allowed fickle bonehead myths to addle your bigoted mind. You revel in your unsubstantiated biased opinions, you hate the facts. You spread your libellous shite on the boards because you feel no lawyer can come after you.

I treat people like you with contempt because you never stop to think and ask yourself how I have such assuredness and a mastery of the facts in these cases. How do I know about the corruption in the Spanish legal system for instance?

Face it ****head, you've revised history once too often and you've lost. And when I get Cambridge and Step on my side I mean you've LOST BAD.

Now take your beating like a man and leave the thread and I 'll look more kindly on you next time...

[Chimp]

[..] You revel in your unsubstantiated biased opinions, you hate the facts.

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Okay, so what were the facts then? We've got a number of conflicting accounts of what happened that night, why don't you post the facts as you see them?

I read in some tabloids that the 'altercation' between the players and the girls happened in one of the players rooms and that Freund had had sex (for money) with one of the girls. Not saying that's true, or that I believe any of it, it's just what I read.

[MADLEVEIN]

freund definitley gave one of them a good bratwursting

[Guest]

Doesn't the fact that the players involved were in a position to be set up worry you? It had already happened to Premiership players in this country before 'La Manga'.

I've been to the resort. There were top flight squads from all over Europe there, including a Premiership side. Although this was a pre-season training party, we didn't see any of these players out and about in the way our players were, whether it be pissed up as the accusers suggested, or even lounging about in a casual manner relaxing as suggested in this argument.

[Frenzied]

Although the players involved were predominantly to blame, the club, including Adams have to shoulder a degree of responsibility, especially considering past experiences at La Manga ie the Stan Collymore fire extinguisher incident.

The players should have known better but so should the club and a curfew for what was a training exercise wouldn't have been a bad idea.

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For what? What 'offence' were they guilty of? I seem to recollect that they were falsely and maliciously accused of rape. That three prostitutes trashed their hotel room, blamed it on the players and then peddled their lies to the Screws.

That a number of players were held on trumped up charges and that their lawyers and the local justice tried to take the club for every penny it had. That the perpetrators of this farce lied under oath and were allowed to get away scot free.

Let me spell it out to you pal as you seem to be a moral illiterate. The players, management and directors of LCFC were the victims of false accusation, libel, extortion and a shit legal system.

For future reference jerk, it's the perpetrators of crimes who are to BLAME not the ****ing victims.

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** Perhaps you should learn to have a debate without resorting to your childish little outbursts.

The players were victims in the scandal but they were on a training session and should not have been up until all hours getting p*ssed, especially since we were battling relegation at the time. So therefore, you emotionally stunted inbicile, they were to blame for letting Leicester City down, including the fans, not to mention in some cases their families.

The players and club showed a serious lack of judgement that started in there being no curfew, moved on to a lack of professionalism by the players and almost ended up with three of them being sent to prison for rape. In the process the name of Leicester City was seriously tarnished.

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According to the libel in the Screws the 'fabricated' incident happened before midnight and the players were not reported as drunk. The actual assault by one of the tarts on Paul Dickov was also reported as occuring before midnight.

Frenzied, you are just another who is trying to smear the previous management and squad. You are the shit who is tarnishing the name of the club by continually repeating these lies. You do this because you are dumb. Dumb because you think it is a legitimate diversion to cover up for the incompetence of the current manager.

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Well that's a reliable source bonehead. In fact didn't it also report otherwise on other occasions, as did the other rags.

As for me trying to smear the previous management and squad, how do you equate that? All I've said is that a degree of responsibility for the problems in La Manga has to lie at the feet of the club and therefore Adams. If you'd read properly what I'd written, you might have understood that I believe the responsibility was minimal in comparison to the whole affair. My point was that there should have been a curfew.

In relation to the utter immaturity of your post, I think it is you that is tarnishing the name of the club with your constant attacks on fans and in many cases their origins. You quite clearly have some severe emotional problems, not to mention a distinct lack of football intelligence. So, why don't you put your dummy back in your mouth, crawl back into your pram and stfu.

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None of them did. That was all 'boardtalk' put about by w*nkers like you to justify the absurd curfew idea which was a just a device to get at Adams.

You've also got your intellectual knickers on the wrong way round (along with your crap filled real ones) re. corporate responsibility - that rests with the board. But that cuts no ice in your preposterous universe where you hang the victim and worship the criminal.

For your information you sad, lying dog I don't attack the origins of any fans particularly when they are the same as my own. I'll tell you who I attack. Frauds and phonies.

And fickle boneheads like you who constantly revise the past to smear good servants of the club and suck up to current incompetents.

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Well there's lie number one. I read all the tabloids at that time and they were peddling different versions of the event almost daily. Get your facts right.

Let me clarify my position to you again Chandler, as it seems you're having great difficulty in understanding my point. I do and did not believe the players were guilty of the accusations. However, I do believe that some of them acted irresponsibly. Now according to some opinions they weren't drunk. This may be true. Nevertheless, they managed to get themselves into a position whereby three of them ended up in a Spanish prison accused of rape. It is my opinion that they probably were drunk, which I would have no problem with apart from the fact that they were on a training trip and fighting relegation at the time. If you keep up to date with the media, you'll have noticed a number of Forest players got themselves into trouble by drinking before a crucial game.

Now, considering past problems at La Manga of all places, a sensible decision would have been to have a curfew place on the players, as happens with other clubs and the national team. Therefore, the club and Adams must share a very small part of the responsibility.

Let me now clarify my position on Adams. I was not one of the fans calling for his head - my position was that it takes time for a new set of players to gel. However, in hindsight I believe the departure of Adams was the best thing for the club, as he had clearly lost the respect of the players and a significant proportion of the fans. I was also bewildered at some of his tactical decisions and signings but still gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Back to your points - corporate responsibility? Are you having a laugh or are you really as thick as you come across? I thought you said Leicester City was innocent of any crime (which it was), so how on earth could they be culpable. Your point, you cretin, is totally illogical.

You don't attack the origins of the fans? Lie number two (at least). I can think of two members on this board whose origins you've attacked, which leads me to believe Steven is right about you - you are a prejudiced little sh*t.

And back to Levein. I assume, judging by your previous posts that's who you are talking about when you refer to current incompetents. Quite simply, in my opinion and that of the majority of fans Levein is doing the right thing. Discipline has returned to the players, we're playing good football for the first time in ages, he's building a young hungry team that should be capable of reaching the Premiership and crucially might actually keep us there. Oh, and his signings have been excellent so far.

Finally Chandler, you need therapy. You are quite obviously suffering from problems that only several years of intense psychoanalysis might solve. Who do you think you are in behaving in an aggressive and insulting manner towards complete strangers? Quite clearly you are emotionally deficient and feel that because you are sitting at a computer you can behave towards other people in any way you please. You are quite frankly a sad sad little boy.

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I am talking about the general rule of corporate responsibility ****head. I did not say that LCFC should be held accountable for for wholly fictitious incidents at at La Manga. Once again, a case of you reading things into my statement.

What is abundantly clear is that you are rowing back from your original accusations under pressure from me and others who would not normally support me in such an argument.

Another reason for your backtracking is that you have a very poor recollection of actual events at La Manga. You've allowed fickle bonehead myths to addle your bigoted mind. You revel in your unsubstantiated biased opinions, you hate the facts. You spread your libellous shite on the boards because you feel no lawyer can come after you.

I treat people like you with contempt because you never stop to think and ask yourself how I have such assuredness and a mastery of the facts in these cases. How do I know about the corruption in the Spanish legal system for instance?

Face it ****head, you've revised history once too often and you've lost. And when I get Cambridge and Step on my side I mean you've LOST BAD.

Now take your beating like a man and leave the thread and I 'll look more kindly on you next time...

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You are an angry little boy aren't you?

I have not once backtracked from my original argument in that I believe by not setting a curfew the club and therefore Adams should share a degree of responsibility. I have also qualified this argument by saying I think that degree of responsibility is very small but nevertheless still there. This is particularly the case considering previous incidents involving Leicester City at La Manga.

Now that is not saying they are to blame but that I think a bit more foresight should have been exercised. It really is quite simple to understand Chandler.

Yet again you show the level of your maturity in your

I have such assuredness and a mastery of the facts in these cases. How do I know about the corruption in the Spanish legal system for instance?

statement. Clearly you are suffering from a case of exaggerated self-importance, probably as a result of failure in life.

Chandler, I will leave this thread as and when I please. If it makes you feel better about yourself that my leaving it is a result of a belief that you have driven me out, then go ahead. As the saying goes little things please little minds.

[Dunc]

I also agree with Chandler in relation to any blame be apportioned to MA. They are grown men and should take any repercussions from their behaviour on the chin.

next you'll be saying Souness is at fault for letting Dyer & Bowyer have a fight.

[Guest]

I also agree with Chandler in relation to any blame be apportioned to MA.  They are grown men and should take any repercussions from their behaviour on the chin.

next you'll be saying Souness is at fault for letting Dyer & Bowyer have a fight.

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Perhaps when footballers behave like

grown men

people will see things in black and white like that.

Individuals responsible for their actions, yes, but collectively one man is in charge and that's the manager. He has to take some responsibility for what did or did not go on out there.

[Guest freund]

freund definitley gave one of them a good bratwursting

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don't you dare slur my good name on here!

[MADLEVEIN]

I also agree with Chandler in relation to any blame be apportioned to MA.  They are grown men and should take any repercussions from their behaviour on the chin.

next you'll be saying Souness is at fault for letting Dyer & Bowyer have a fight.

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lets say for instance you are employed by a company and whilst you are at work you have a fatal accident from doing something unsafe, the investigation into what happened would include the manager as he is supposedly in charge of the employees.

so yes, micky adams definitley has to shoulder some of the blame for what happened.

[SilverFox]

Who cares! A court of Law found there was no charge to answer. End of story. Its in the past can we try and get over it. I thought Forest were bad for dwelling on the past!

[Knighton Matt]

freund definitley gave one of them a good bratwursting

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don't you dare slur my good name on here!

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haha

[step]

The problems that city had during a previous visit, does give some justification for the club and MA to be extreamly carefull about any trip.

Most people that earn a good wage, achieve it because they have some brains and their wage increase over a period of time. Players dont need any brains and it shows because every other week a football player some where fcuks up.

The PA and the clubs should make it compulsary that every player sits a course on life skills, finance and the pitfall accociated with being in the public eye. A course like this might have made the players assess the risks accociated with situation they where in and what they should do to protect their reputations and just maybe it might never have happened.

[Steven]

Who cares!  A court of Law found there was no charge to answer.  End of story.  Its in the past can we try and get over it.  I thought Forest were bad for dwelling on the past!

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Hear, hear.