lucky booger

[Zingari]

aren't some people right lucky fookers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7963581.stm

[StanSP]

And the caption underneath the picture reads:

Tsutomu Yamaguchi in 2007

Mr Yamaguchi had the bad luck to be in Hiroshima and then Nagasaki

Surely it would be better to say 'Yamaguchi had the best of luck to survive both A-Bombs' or something along those lines.

[Edmund]

About 140,000 people were killed in Hiroshima and 70,000 in Nagasaki.

Many survivors fell sick with radiation-related illnesses, including cancers, for years after the bombings.

:@ :@

[ASH17LCFC]

:@ :@

They had it coming to be honest, Japan were just as bad as the Germans and i think the Americans took the right kind of action to finish it and secure peace.

[Edmund]

They had it coming to be honest, Japan were just as bad as the Germans and i think the Americans took the right kind of action to finish it and secure peace.

Japan were about to surrender anyway? Everyone knows it was just an excuse to test the bombs out. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in my book is not the right kind of action and the devastation and after effect was on a mass scale. People slowly dieing from cancer afterwards. Anyway thats all im going to say on the matter, no matter what you say or try and debate will justify something as horrific as that.

[Guest]

They had it coming to be honest, Japan were just as bad as the Germans and i think the Americans took the right kind of action to finish it and secure peace.

That has to rank as one of the most ridiculous posts ever.

[BoneDog]

About 140,000 people were killed in Hiroshima and 70,000 in Nagasaki.

Many survivors fell sick with radiation-related illnesses, including cancers, for years after the bombings.

Are those numbers a piss take by whoever wrote them? I thought it was millions?

It's the same in Vietnam and Iraq nowadays. Thousands of babys are constantly being born with 2 heads or 4 arms or even worse mutations due to the chemicals the US and maybe us have dropped on them or blasted them with. The stuff they used to fly over Vietnam spraying has caused things most people here don't even know about. Same in Iraq since 91. Things have happened there to babies that were unknown in history before.

[welck12]

They had it coming to be honest, Japan were just as bad as the Germans and i think the Americans took the right kind of action to finish it and secure peace.

How can you make a comment like that and hav a pic of lennon in your sig?

[Edmund]

That has to rank as one of the most ridiculous posts ever.

Are those numbers a piss take by whoever wrote them? I thought it was millions?

It's the same in Vietnam and Iraq nowadays. Thousands of babys are constantly being born with 2 heads or 4 arms or even worse mutations due to the chemicals the US and maybe us have dropped on them or blasted them with. The stuff they used to fly over Vietnam spraying has caused things most people here don't even know about. Same in Iraq since 91. Things have happened there to babies that were unknown in history before.

Not to sure on exact figures, that was just quoted from the article. I thought it was more as well but either way it dented a nation.

How can you make a comment like that and hav a pic of lennon in your sig?

[Daggers]

They had it coming to be honest, Japan were just as bad as the Germans and i think the Americans took the right kind of action to finish it and secure peace.

Bwahahahaha!

Brilliant.

The child is surely the young Stephen Hughes of Foxestalk.

[Zingari]

"It is fantasy, not history, to believe that the end of the war was at hand before the use of the atomic bomb"

US historian Richard B Frank

"How could a president, or the others charged with responsibility for the decision, answer to the American people if... after the bloodbath of an invasion of Japan, it became known that a weapon sufficient to end the war had been available by midsummer and was not used?"

David McCullough

maybe it offends our sensibilities but that was probably how it was

[Webbo]

Japan were about to surrender anyway? Everyone knows it was just an excuse to test the bombs out. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in my book is not the right kind of action and the devastation and after effect was on a mass scale. People slowly dieing from cancer afterwards. Anyway thats all im going to say on the matter, no matter what you say or try and debate will justify something as horrific as that.

There's no evidence of that. The fact that on all the islands that the Americans invaded the Japanese soldiers all needlessly fought to the death taking many American lives with them, suggests that they weren't planning to give up easily.

It's easy to be wise after the event but if you were an American soldier waiting to invade mainland Japan you'd have been mighty glad that they dropped the bomb and saved you having to risk your life.

[Edmund]

There's no evidence of that. The fact that on all the islands that the Americans invaded the Japanese soldiers all needlessly fought to the death taking many American lives with them, suggests that they weren't planning to give up easily.

It's easy to be wise after the event but if you were an American soldier waiting to invade mainland Japan you'd have been mighty glad that they dropped the bomb and saved you having to risk your life.

Im just going on history speculation as are you. There was a lot of talk that Japan were putting together a treaty as by that time of the war, there resources were at an all time low and the nation and it's people were suffering as a result. They were that low they would only bother attacking American planes if there was a large amount of them coming to save on costs. If there were a few they would just let them be and let them bomb away as they could not afford to fight every night. The americans would have easily taken Japan mainland without the atomic bomb.

The japanese soldiers were based on honor and had the same mentality as many of todays suicide bombers and were brainwashed from the top hence why they fought to the death.

Surely if were to use the same mentality we should have just dropped an atomic bomb on Kabul and Baghdad so that the nato soldiers would be "mighty glad" that the bomb had saved them from risking there lives.

The yanks were desperate to test out there new weapons and what better way. Im not saying your wrong I just don't agree that it was the right answer to the Americans solution.

[Webbo]

The yanks were desperate to test out there new weapons and what better way. Im not saying your wrong I just don't agree that it was the right answer to the Americans solution.

You don't think they dropped the A Bomb without testing it first do you?

[Edmund]

You don't think they dropped the A Bomb without testing it first do you?

They didn't test in on civilians though did they?

[Webbo]

They didn't test in on civilians though did they?

I think they could guess that it would kill people.

Wiki

The Potsdam ultimatum

On July 26, Truman and other allied leaders issued The Potsdam Declaration outlining terms of surrender for Japan. It was presented as an ultimatum and stated that without a surrender, the Allies would attack Japan, resulting in "the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland" but the atomic bomb was not mentioned. On July 28, Japanese papers reported that the declaration had been rejected by the Japanese government. That afternoon, Prime Minister Kantaro Suzuki declared at a press conference that the Potsdam Declaration was no more than a rehash (yakinaoshi) of the Cairo Declaration and that the government intended to ignore it (mokusatsu lit. "kill by silence").[14] The statement was taken by both Japanese and foreign papers as a clear rejection of the declaration. Emperor Hirohito, who was waiting for a Soviet reply to noncommittal Japanese peace feelers made no move to change the government position.[15] On July 31, he made clear to his advisor Kōichi Kido that the Imperial Regalia of Japan had to be defended at all costs.[16]

In early July, on his way to Potsdam, Truman had re-examined the decision to use the bomb. In the end, Truman made the decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan. His stated intention in ordering the bombings was to bring about a quick resolution of the war by inflicting destruction and instilling fear of further destruction in sufficient strength to cause Japan to surrender

[Edmund]

I think they could guess that it would kill people.

Still doesn't justify dropping the bombs.

In response to the wiki article, fair enough im not defending the Japanese or ever have once in this thread, my qualms are that it was a savage and brutal way to go about ending the war and was an excuse to test America's new technology. That is my belief and the belief of many others and you have your beliefs so fairplay.

Also how reliable is that wiki article considering it is an American website? I would like to see the Japanese equivalent on this.

[Zingari]

A six-year-old girl escaped unscathed when a driver backed a car into a wall

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8271619.stm

A 32-year-old man has survived with minor injuries after being hit by a flat-bed truck that was rammed by a train in Turkey.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7925009.stm

lucky boogers

[morris1234]

A six-year-old girl escaped unscathed when a driver backed a car into a wall

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8271619.stm

A 32-year-old man has survived with minor injuries after being hit by a flat-bed truck that was rammed by a train in Turkey.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7925009.stm

lucky boogers

thanks for that! really made me feel..............horrible! the kid one not so much because unlike the other one, there was not various angles of the bloody thing!

that second angle of the train and lorry crash is so scary, the speed it picks up, you see the blokes reaction when he sees it move! it seems to jolt slightly when he jumps and it almost pauses for a split second, which looks strange, then it just picks up soo much speed and the way it threw him like a doll makes me a bit sick!

his helmet didnt do much good though did it!

[acooling08]

Japan were cruel bastards in the war. Real in-human bastards.

But it didn't warrant wiping out countless civilians.

[Zingari]

lucky booger !!

http://news.bbc.co.u...don/8066461.stm

edit;

I've just noticed the date of this , and it's 3 years old

Dunno why it was in the BBC news front page today

maybe it was linked to this story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19725840

[Reynard Bleu]

Its so easy to judge the actions of man nearly 60 years ago from the high moral ground so many occupy today. In 1945 ater 4 years of bitter fighting that left thousands upon thousand of US dead across the pacific, the US faced an invasion of Japan where by their own estimates casualties of around 1 million could be expceted. Japan had made some overtures to end the war earlier in 1945, but not unconditionally, they wanted to keep their armies in Korea and China with no occupation of the homeland and the continuation of the incumbent regime. For the US and their allies, this was unacceptable.

Only after the bombs fell did Emperor Hirohito order his govenrnemnt to surrender and even the there was plenty of opposition from within the military.

War is a dirty, bloody,unfair and inhuman business. It should be avoided whereever possible. If you deem it unavoidable, you prosecute it with all the force at your disposal.