maddog Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 Still gutted for Ghana. Should have scored with all those shots, should have scored the pen. Every single professional footballer would have done that but still Ghana have been cheated out of it. Loving the Kermorgant penalty to win it though, thats what Yann tried to do, and what could have happened.
FoxyPV Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 Still gutted for Ghana. Should have scored with all those shots, should have scored the pen. Every single professional footballer would have done that but still Ghana have been cheated out of it. Loving the Kermorgant penalty to win it though, thats what Yann tried to do, and what could have happened. I don't see how they were cheated out of it - Suarez was sent off and a penalty was given. It's not like the ref didn't see it and Suarez went unpunished.
dandannieldanok Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 Keane calle him out for it in when they had that scuffle in the tunnel at Arsenal. Ha. Roy Keane isn't exactly holier than thou when discussing loyality to one's country. Look at antics at 2002 World Cup.
FoxyPV Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 Ha. Roy Keane isn't exactly the holier than thou when discussing loyality to one's country. Look at antics at 2002 World Cup. True - but at least he played for his country. (and before anyone raises the point I completely disagreed with all the englishmen etc playing for Ireland because their granny twice removed was Irish and they were too shit to play for England - regardless of how good the memories were)
Koke Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 and it just so happened that his second "love" was a world cup winning super team? We're very often on the same page, but not in regards to that. All jokes about Michael Owen aside, I would be absolutely seething if somebody genuinely 100% Welsh moved to some English club as a kid and went on to win the World Cup as England, then a few years into his retirement was commentating on Wales games talking about how much he loved us. With all respect to Michael Owen, as much as we do harp on about him, he was born in England and he's never really considered himself anything other than. It's hardly like Ghana were "fine without him" or didn't need every bit of talent they could get. I do agree with you on this whole "Ghana = Africa" stuff, though. I understand what you're saying, but IMO it's not as black & white as that. Desailly is not the first nor the last to do this. I'm sure Mesul Ozit and Marko Marin love Turkey and Bosnia respectively - doesn't mean they love Germany less. Maybe they do, I don't know. But I doubt it. Then there are also cases where people are born to two parents from two different countries, hence they love both their parents nations. BTW, Desailly's mother married a French Consultant who then adopted Marcel as his own son.
Edmund Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 and it just so happened that his second "love" was a world cup winning super team? He's lived in France since he was 4 but was born in Ghana. He's got every right to support both nations. Comparing Wales with Ghana isn't the same. Especially a few years back. African football used to be heavily corrupt (still is) and as much as he loved Ghana, France would've been the most sensible option for him as a professional. I'm sure Mesul Ozit and Marko Marin love Turkey and Bosnia respectively For the last time Mesut Ozil is born and bred in Germany. Just because his dad is Turkish doesn't mean he wants to play for Turkey, especially as he is more German than Turkish having been born in Germany and to a German mum. I think you're getting blinded by the fact that he's got Turkish skin colour and features. It's like saying Amir Khan would rather box for Pakistan because his relations are from pakistan even though he's been raised in England. Germany has a large Turkish population which has generations now being brought up as native to germany just as England has a huge Pakistan population in the same mould. Please stop saying he'd rather or should be playing for Turkey.
Koke Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 For the last time Mesut Ozil is born and bred in Germany. Just because his dad is Turkish doesn't mean he wants to play for Turkey, especially as he is more German than Turkish having been born in Germany and to a German mum. I think you're getting blinded by the fact that he's got Turkish skin colour and features. It's like saying Amir Khan would rather box for Pakistan because his relations are from pakistan even though he's been raised in England.Germany has a large Turkish population which has generations now being brought up as native to germany just as England has a huge Pakistan population in the same mould. Please stop saying he'd rather or should be playing for Turkey. Not really. There are many people born in a country who still want to represent their "home" nation. Hamit Altıntop was born in Germany and he plays for Turkey. There are other examples too. For every Ozil, there are a Altıntop, so as I said it's not as black & white as people think. Amir Khan could very well have said he wanted to represent Pakistan. Nothing wrong with that. That's why I meant with a person can love two nations at the same time. Try and tell Amir Khan that he shouldn't love Pakistan as much as England.
Edmund Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 Not really. There are many people born in a country who still want to represent their "home" nation. Hamit Altıntop was born in Germany and he plays for Turkey. There are other examples too. For every Ozil, there are a Altıntop, so as I said it's not as black & white as people think. Amir Khan could very well have said he wanted to represent Pakistan. Nothing wrong with that. That's why I meant with a person can love two nations at the same time. Try and tell Amir Khan that he shouldn't love Pakistan as much as England. But I can guarantee that Ozil see's his home nation as Germany. As for Altintop, I think it's more of a case of not being good enough for the German squad at the time and getting a call up from Turkey first. I don't think he set out to play for Turkey considering he's also born in Germany. Similar to Needham Onuha of Man City who's been offered a call up for the Nigerian squad but turned it down hoping that in a few years he'll be good enough for England. Altintop obviously didn't take the risk and opted for Turkey but I'd bet bottom dollar that he would've opted for Germany first had he got the call up. I agree there's nothing wrong with loving two nations but it just annoys me when I keep on hearing English people saying players should be representing another country just because their name/facial features/skin colour are not of natural origin to that country even though they were born and raised there. It's not a personal dig at you but it seems most English people are ignorant enough to think that other nations don't have populations of migrants from other countries who've settled there for years just like our country. It would be like saying Ashley Cole should really be playing for Barbados as his dad is from there.
Finnegan Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 Ha. Roy Keane isn't exactly holier than thou when discussing loyality to one's country. Look at antics at 2002 World Cup. Would this be the antics that were actually met with rather split opinion in Ireland and led to arguably very positive reforms in Irish football? It could very easily be argued that love for his country, his team and a drive for success forced Keane out of WC2002 and that his boycott yielded positive results. Whether what he did was actually right or wrong I don't think it should be used to question his loyalty to the cause.
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