Dickie Greenleaf Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/22/football-hooliganism-policing-innocent-victims Good article on the guardian. Rings true. Not experienced anything quite as heavy handed, but have had plenty of encounters with the pigs acting in a totally unreasonable manner.
Tilley Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 'Pigs.' Fucking hate that saying. Infact, the lack of respect for police just winds me up.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 22 October 2010 Author Posted 22 October 2010 But I guess not being allowed to go to the game and being cattle herded back home, cause you simply went to a pub would send you cockahoop eh?
Tilley Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 For every isolated incident like this, there are 1000 other incidents in which they ensure the fans safety with crowd control and escorts.
Fosse Boy Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 For every isolated incident like this, there are 1000 other incidents in which they ensure the fans safety with crowd control and escorts. To say this was an isolated incident is pretty naive. This sort of thing's happening week in, week out, up and down the country. I've experienced it myself on enough occasions in the past few years.
Tilley Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 I saw it now and again when I used to go week in, week out, particularly in the 08/09 season when I travelled by train. My point was people are too quick to jump on the back of the police when, in reality, they have made me feel a hell of alot safer when I have travelled around the country. They were very helpful when I got to South Bermondsey for Milwall, likewise when it all kicked off in the streets of Huddersfield after we won 3-2. I have more 10x more positive experiences in my dealings with the police at football than I do negative, infact I can't even think of a negative experience.
Samilktray Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Football fans think there cool for disliking the police.
Fosse Boy Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 I saw it now and again when I used to go week in, week out, particularly in the 08/09 season when I travelled by train. My point was people are too quick to jump on the back of the police when, in reality, they have made me feel a hell of alot safer when I have travelled around the country. They were very helpful when I got to South Bermondsey for Milwall, likewise when it all kicked off in the streets of Huddersfield after we won 3-2. I have more 10x more positive experiences in my dealings with the police at football than I do negative, infact I can't even think of a negative experience. Well my experience of the police at football has been almost the exact polar opposite. I've seen innocent men beaten with truncheons on the ground, batons turned on old ladies, lads arrested for things that the coppers wouldn't bat an eyelid at if their so-called "offence" wasn't football-related. Granted, some have been helpful in the past too but many just seem rude, unhelpful and confrontational - especially towards away fans. People don't just jump on the back of the police unless they have good reason, and in the cases of many innocent football supporters they do. The large police presence at most football matches is completely unnecessary and OTT. Why are they there? Because football matches are a cash cow for them. Easy money. You've only to look at that complete non-story the other week about the apparent "rise" of youth hooliganism in this country to see that the police are desperate to justify their presence at games.
Finnegan Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Football fans think there cool for disliking the police. It's not really just football fans really.
Tilley Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Well my experience of the police at football has been almost the exact polar opposite. I've seen innocent men beaten with truncheons on the ground, batons turned on old ladies, lads arrested for things that the coppers wouldn't bat an eyelid at if their so-called "offence" wasn't football-related. Granted, some have been helpful in the past too but many just seem rude, unhelpful and confrontational - especially towards away fans. I guess it is all down to personal experiences, fortunately I have only been on the receiving end and witnessed helpful, cooperative policing. People don't just jump on the back of the police unless they have good reason, and in the cases of many innocent football supporters they do. I have to disagree here. I do think alot of people get on the back of the police for no reason because they think it's 'cool' and they see the police as an enemy, this is most common in young lads, sorry to stereotype but it's true. Obviously as I pointed out earlier, there are a few isolated issues in which an innocent member of the public might get caught up in the police behaving unfairly to them. The large police presence at most football matches is completely unnecessary and OTT. Why are they there? Because football matches are a cash cow for them. Easy money.You've only to look at that complete non-story the other week about the apparent "rise" of youth hooliganism in this country to see that the police are desperate to justify their presence at games. I agree that at some games the police presence is too large but in some cases it is completely necessary, however when L1 is covered in police when Doncaster have only have a following of 500, it is unnecessary. When it comes to policing numbers, do the police not liase with the club and they collectively agree on what is the necessary police numbers for games? As for your point on easy money, policing football costs the police and the government a fortune and they only recoup a small amount for the clubs, so in effect, they are actually working at a loss.
Tommeh Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 The police where football fans are concerned are a complete joke. Speaking 1st hand from QPR away last season. I agree when Tiley mentioned the OB at Millwall however, very sound bunch, had it well under control and needed to.
Guest Bilo Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 I agree that at some games the police presence is too large but in some cases it is completely necessary, however when L1 is covered in police when Doncaster have only have a following of 500, it is unnecessary. When it comes to policing numbers, do the police not liase with the club and they collectively agree on what is the necessary police numbers for games? As for your point on easy money, policing football costs the police and the government a fortune and they only recoup a small amount for the clubs, so in effect, they are actually working at a loss. Policing always cost the police and the only person who pays them, other than for football matches, is the taxpayer. Take the EDL protest for example, do you think the UAF and EDL covered any of the estimated £1 million cost of policing? Of course not. Football clubs are the only example I'm aware of where an organisation is expected to pay for the policing so even if they operate at a loss, they're still getting some money back other than taxpayers cash and the police would rather have their officers being paid by LCFC to watch a game where there is no chance of anything kicking off sadly.
CosbehFox Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10412281 Another incident. Section 27- http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/So-what-is-Section-27.php There's more incidents - http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Section-27-been-served-on-you.php http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/18/civilliberties-humanrights Although hear say, I have even heard of examples where say you're playing Bolton for example, the Police will use Section 27 to avoid any group of fans coming together at say Manchester Picky Station and force you to do some odd train route. The justification is that the Police have intelligence that groups of fans are planning trouble in Manchester. If I remember right it may have been Lids at Mill.
Bugg Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Only heavy handed policing I've seen was at QPR last season. Other than that the police seem to be fine.
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