dog_4 Posted 20 June 2005 Posted 20 June 2005 he isn't has bad has we think. if he was he wudn't have been capable of the performance away at charlton. just a few niggling injuries that didn't help. i predict he will prove to be an asit to us next season.
Sam Posted 20 June 2005 Posted 20 June 2005 I like De Vries always said I have done and no-one ever really agrees with me. I think he will be an asset to the squad and will play a vital role alongside a new strike partner as Connolly is crap.
Vo Rogue Posted 20 June 2005 Posted 20 June 2005 he isn't has bad has we think. if he was he wudn't have been capable of the performance away at charlton. just a few niggling injuries that didn't help. i predict he will prove to be an asit to us next season. 125354[/snapback] I see what you mean. If he plays like you spell though we're stuffed.
dan_84 Posted 20 June 2005 Posted 20 June 2005 i totally agree. I think if De Vries is to do well, the team and the way we play has to be built around him and his strengths.
stulcfc Posted 20 June 2005 Posted 20 June 2005 he isn't has bad has we think. if he was he wudn't have been capable of the performance away at charlton. just a few niggling injuries that didn't help. i predict he will prove to be an asit to us next season. 125354[/snapback] lets hope that he dose do the job next session i cant see it myself tho
Anish Posted 20 June 2005 Posted 20 June 2005 he isn't has bad has we think. if he was he wudn't have been capable of the performance away at charlton. just a few niggling injuries that didn't help. i predict he will prove to be an asit to us next season. 125354[/snapback] I see what you mean. If he plays like you spell though we're stuffed. 125363[/snapback] The youth of today eh? Look where Tony Blair and his "education, education, education" policy has got us
BartonFox Posted 20 June 2005 Posted 20 June 2005 I like De Vries always said I have done and no-one ever really agrees with me. I think he will be an asset to the squad and will play a vital role alongside a new strike partner as Connolly is crap. 125357[/snapback] While you are entitled to your opinion, are you mental?
Thracian Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 i totally agree. I think if De Vries is to do well, the team and the way we play has to be built around him and his strengths. 125366[/snapback] [/quote For a centre forward can you explain to me exactly what his strengths are? I don't doubt his deft ball skills but centre-forwards have just one function in life and that is scoring goals. How they do it matters not at all. Tony Cottee, Paul Dickov were centre-forwards. Nothing particularly eyecatching or spectacular but busy, bustling, awkward sort of characters who were focused on one thing - ensuring their last and possibly only touch, clipped the ball into the net. Somehow, centre-forwards just have it or they don't. I remember managing a guy called Frank Sheard in non-League football. Smoked like a chimney, not especially fast, not especially skillful but totally single minded. He got in the box where it hurt at just the right time and the ball bounced off his backside, shin, hit him on the side of the head, all sorts, but invariably into the net. Twenty goals a season Frank was worth come rain or shine. That's the only statistic that matters for a number nine and how many has DeVries scored since Christmas? In picking football teams it is sometimes wise to pick by statistics rather than impressions because there are plenty of footballers who look pretty but don't actually affect anything. What I ask is ... Goalkeepers: average goals a game conceded. Centre-backs: average goals a game conceded by his side Midfield players: How many assists, how many goals. Wingers: How many assists, how many goals. Centre-forwards: How many goals and to a lesser extent how many assists. Sadly, we live in a world where "impressions" often matter far more than ability. Applied to football that's a recipe for disaster.
LoneWolf Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 i totally agree. I think if De Vries is to do well, the team and the way we play has to be built around him and his strengths. 125366[/snapback] For a centre forward can you explain to me exactly what his strengths are? I don't doubt his deft ball skills but centre-forwards have just one function in life and that is scoring goals. How they do it matters not at all. Tony Cottee, Paul Dickov were centre-forwards. Nothing particularly eyecatching or spectacular but busy, bustling, awkward sort of characters who were focused on one thing - ensuring their last and possibly only touch, clipped the ball into the net. Somehow, centre-forwards just have it or they don't. I remember managing a guy called Frank Sheard in non-League football. Smoked like a chimney, not especially fast, not especially skillful but totally single minded. He got in the box where it hurt at just the right time and the ball bounced off his backside, shin, hit him on the side of the head, all sorts, but invariably into the net. Twenty goals a season Frank was worth come rain or shine. That's the only statistic that matters for a number nine and how many has DeVries scored since Christmas? In picking football teams it is sometimes wise to pick by statistics rather than impressions because there are plenty of footballers who look pretty but don't actually affect anything. What I ask is ... Goalkeepers: average goals a game conceded. Centre-backs: average goals a game conceded by his side Midfield players: How many assists, how many goals. Wingers: How many assists, how many goals. Centre-forwards: How many goals and to a lesser extent how many assists. Sadly, we live in a world where "impressions" often matter far more than ability. Applied to football that's a recipe for disaster. 125451[/snapback] *bows down* ... that post was ace mate.. every thing about it was true...
BartonFox Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 i totally agree. I think if De Vries is to do well, the team and the way we play has to be built around him and his strengths. 125366[/snapback] [/quote For a centre forward can you explain to me exactly what his strengths are? I don't doubt his deft ball skills but centre-forwards have just one function in life and that is scoring goals. How they do it matters not at all. Tony Cottee, Paul Dickov were centre-forwards. Nothing particularly eyecatching or spectacular but busy, bustling, awkward sort of characters who were focused on one thing - ensuring their last and possibly only touch, clipped the ball into the net. Somehow, centre-forwards just have it or they don't. I remember managing a guy called Frank Sheard in non-League football. Smoked like a chimney, not especially fast, not especially skillful but totally single minded. He got in the box where it hurt at just the right time and the ball bounced off his backside, shin, hit him on the side of the head, all sorts, but invariably into the net. Twenty goals a season Frank was worth come rain or shine. That's the only statistic that matters for a number nine and how many has DeVries scored since Christmas? In picking football teams it is sometimes wise to pick by statistics rather than impressions because there are plenty of footballers who look pretty but don't actually affect anything. What I ask is ... Goalkeepers: average goals a game conceded. Centre-backs: average goals a game conceded by his side Midfield players: How many assists, how many goals. Wingers: How many assists, how many goals. Centre-forwards: How many goals and to a lesser extent how many assists. Sadly, we live in a world where "impressions" often matter far more than ability. Applied to football that's a recipe for disaster. 125451[/snapback] Akinbiyi put them in off his backside or shin every other 6 weeks. Clearly all those other professional football managers and coaches know nothing then and MdV is the best con artist in history then. If he was that bad he wouldn't have made it as a pro footballer. Despite many people's misconceptions about the SPL, the standard is far greater than most of the CCC, he also did it in European competition. Have any of you played football while carrying an injury over a long period of time? Couple that with entering a league where it's 100mph and good football is , a rarity I doubt so many here would have done any better. The Charlton game seems to have been conveniently forgotten when he was MoM, everyone's judgement is clouded by the euphoria od Dublin's late winner.
LoneWolf Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 but 'pro' footballers get paid that much... they should play good even if they do have an injury i think if city put me in a shirt i could do a better job than he did last season
Scow Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 i totally agree. I think if De Vries is to do well, the team and the way we play has to be built around him and his strengths. 125366[/snapback] For a centre forward can you explain to me exactly what his strengths are? I don't doubt his deft ball skills but centre-forwards have just one function in life and that is scoring goals. How they do it matters not at all. Tony Cottee, Paul Dickov were centre-forwards. Nothing particularly eyecatching or spectacular but busy, bustling, awkward sort of characters who were focused on one thing - ensuring their last and possibly only touch, clipped the ball into the net. Somehow, centre-forwards just have it or they don't. I remember managing a guy called Frank Sheard in non-League football. Smoked like a chimney, not especially fast, not especially skillful but totally single minded. He got in the box where it hurt at just the right time and the ball bounced off his backside, shin, hit him on the side of the head, all sorts, but invariably into the net. Twenty goals a season Frank was worth come rain or shine. That's the only statistic that matters for a number nine and how many has DeVries scored since Christmas? In picking football teams it is sometimes wise to pick by statistics rather than impressions because there are plenty of footballers who look pretty but don't actually affect anything. What I ask is ... Goalkeepers: average goals a game conceded. Centre-backs: average goals a game conceded by his side Midfield players: How many assists, how many goals. Wingers: How many assists, how many goals. Centre-forwards: How many goals and to a lesser extent how many assists. Sadly, we live in a world where "impressions" often matter far more than ability. Applied to football that's a recipe for disaster. 125451[/snapback] Akinbiyi put them in off his backside or shin every other 6 weeks. Clearly all those other professional football managers and coaches know nothing then and MdV is the best con artist in history then. If he was that bad he wouldn't have made it as a pro footballer. Despite many people's misconceptions about the SPL, the standard is far greater than most of the CCC, he also did it in European competition. Have any of you played football while carrying an injury over a long period of time? Couple that with entering a league where it's 100mph and good football is , a rarity I doubt so many here would have done any better. The Charlton game seems to have been conveniently forgotten when he was MoM, everyone's judgement is clouded by the euphoria od Dublin's late winner. 125518[/snapback] I had a look at de Vries' scoring record in the SPL, and it's 1 in 2 - However, one season (2002/2003), de Vries netted 15, while someone cack like Crawford scored 22!
Bluefoxtim Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 thing is with leicester though is that we havent got a 'good' striker. I mean you can go through other teams and go oh yeah hes good, but at Leicester the forwards are just average and there is nothing good about them, yes connolly is quick but he is also lightweight thus losing the ball all the time, and well, as for de vries... he cant jump, cant shoot, cant shield the ball, cant stay on his feet, well thats what we saw last season. Maybe we should take a gamble and fork out a bit of money for someone that other teams will go 'ooh i wish we had him' because no one at leicester is like that...
Simon Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 i totally agree. I think if De Vries is to do well, the team and the way we play has to be built around him and his strengths. 125366[/snapback] [/quote For a centre forward can you explain to me exactly what his strengths are? I don't doubt his deft ball skills but centre-forwards have just one function in life and that is scoring goals. How they do it matters not at all. Tony Cottee, Paul Dickov were centre-forwards. Nothing particularly eyecatching or spectacular but busy, bustling, awkward sort of characters who were focused on one thing - ensuring their last and possibly only touch, clipped the ball into the net. Somehow, centre-forwards just have it or they don't. I remember managing a guy called Frank Sheard in non-League football. Smoked like a chimney, not especially fast, not especially skillful but totally single minded. He got in the box where it hurt at just the right time and the ball bounced off his backside, shin, hit him on the side of the head, all sorts, but invariably into the net. Twenty goals a season Frank was worth come rain or shine. That's the only statistic that matters for a number nine and how many has DeVries scored since Christmas? In picking football teams it is sometimes wise to pick by statistics rather than impressions because there are plenty of footballers who look pretty but don't actually affect anything. What I ask is ... Goalkeepers: average goals a game conceded. Centre-backs: average goals a game conceded by his side Midfield players: How many assists, how many goals.Wingers: How many assists, how many goals. Centre-forwards: How many goals and to a lesser extent how many assists. Sadly, we live in a world where "impressions" often matter far more than ability. Applied to football that's a recipe for disaster. 125451[/snapback] So by this criteria Claude Makelele is pants then? I'm afraid stats never tell the full the story...
Fox in a Box Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 Stats are for twats in my view... Judge him solely on next season if you dare. So will CL, get off his case and support your team. Blooody moaning lcfc fans really get up my snooooot
Anish Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 Stats are for twats in my view...Judge him solely on next season if you dare. So will CL, get off his case and support your team. Blooody moaning lcfc fans really get up my snooooot 125592[/snapback] So you weren't moaning then when we were humbled at home to Rotherham, Watford, Brighton and the like?
Thracian Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 i totally agree. I think if De Vries is to do well, the team and the way we play has to be built around him and his strengths. 125366[/snapback] [/quote For a centre forward can you explain to me exactly what his strengths are? I don't doubt his deft ball skills but centre-forwards have just one function in life and that is scoring goals. How they do it matters not at all. Tony Cottee, Paul Dickov were centre-forwards. Nothing particularly eyecatching or spectacular but busy, bustling, awkward sort of characters who were focused on one thing - ensuring their last and possibly only touch, clipped the ball into the net. Somehow, centre-forwards just have it or they don't. I remember managing a guy called Frank Sheard in non-League football. Smoked like a chimney, not especially fast, not especially skillful but totally single minded. He got in the box where it hurt at just the right time and the ball bounced off his backside, shin, hit him on the side of the head, all sorts, but invariably into the net. Twenty goals a season Frank was worth come rain or shine. That's the only statistic that matters for a number nine and how many has DeVries scored since Christmas? In picking football teams it is sometimes wise to pick by statistics rather than impressions because there are plenty of footballers who look pretty but don't actually affect anything. What I ask is ... Goalkeepers: average goals a game conceded. Centre-backs: average goals a game conceded by his side Midfield players: How many assists, how many goals.Wingers: How many assists, how many goals. Centre-forwards: How many goals and to a lesser extent how many assists. Sadly, we live in a world where "impressions" often matter far more than ability. Applied to football that's a recipe for disaster. 125451[/snapback] So by this criteria Claude Makelele is pants then? I'm afraid stats never tell the full the story... 125579[/snapback] I didn't include the criteria for ball winning midfield players or full backs (though I will do with pleasure if you insist) but simply tried to convey the basis for selecting a player. Nor do I suggest statistics tell the full story. They don't. But they do give some basis for assessment and passing judgement. Otherwise, why on earth do far more intelligent people then me use statistics to help them make any number of decisions? Statistics or no statistics, I have seen nothing so far which suggest MDV will be sufficiently potent a centre-forward in English soccer (whether because he is forever less than fully fit or for any other reason) to lift City into the Premiership. Indeed I would love to read your argument for MDV being one of our main strikers. I hope statistics prove me wrong but even his mentors seem to refer simply to one game against Charlton on which to base their admiration which is poor return for half-a-season's contribution. Neither his goals tally nor his number of man-of-the-match tallies are convincing are they? That's not just statistics. It happens to be the truth. If he comes up with 18-25 goals next season, great. If not then it will probably be too late to avoid another disappointing season (if he really is going to be one of our main strikers) which is not yet certain. I have nothing against the man that a proper goals tally for a striker would not put right. Being unfit is no excuse whatsoever. If he isn't fit he shouldn't play. Or are you going to say that an unfit MDV is better than a fit anyone else who might play centre-forward?
Thracian Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 thing is with leicester though is that we havent got a 'good' striker. I mean you can go through other teams and go oh yeah hes good, but at Leicester the forwards are just average and there is nothing good about them, yes connolly is quick but he is also lightweight thus losing the ball all the time, and well, as for de vries... he cant jump, cant shoot, cant shield the ball, cant stay on his feet, well thats what we saw last season. Maybe we should take a gamble and fork out a bit of money for someone that other teams will go 'ooh i wish we had him' because no one at leicester is like that... 125578[/snapback] I don't know about a gamble. All the evidence suggests it is plain common sense. The way we're shaping up we'll go one step further than last year and record a whole season of 0-0 draws. Unbeaten and relegated!. At least it would put us in the record books - and we weren't so far from it last year. Being a defender someone might just remind "Harry" Levein that you have to score to win football matches and, in England, chances are you'll have to score two or three times cos of all the "yeah he's good" people you mentioned. Mind you, whoever comes, will need some proper and committed service cos there aren't many scorers to be seen in other positions and not many genuine creators either on the flanks or anywhere else. Exciting isn't it?.
Thracian Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 Stats are for twats in my view...Judge him solely on next season if you dare. So will CL, get off his case and support your team. Blooody moaning lcfc fans really get up my snooooot 125592[/snapback] If you want to sit through another season like last you're welcome. Why stick with another season? Why not give him five years and see if we can't get our hardcore support level down below 15,000 as the other 10,000 get fed up of waiting for a few goals. I grumbled in September/October last year because I (and many others) could see what were obvious failings but was assured things would "settle down" so I'm moaning now while there's chance to put things right. I was brought up on a City side (top division) that was exciting, won matches and was a credit to the game. I've been a fan for 45 years and I'll be a fan til I die but I don't want to SETTLE for the sort of shit we watched last year, thanks. Not if it's avoidable.
Gené and Tonic Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 I'm confident Levein will get a new striker whether it be permanent or a loan deal. At the moment we only have 2 strikers really, and Tommy Wright will probably be on his way. Maybe test out some of the reserves? Chris O'Grady?
Dave_7 Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 well if he starts de vries i will eat one of my body parts each game,until i dont exist
davieG Posted 21 June 2005 Posted 21 June 2005 well if he starts de vries i will eat one of my body parts each game,until i dont exist 125709[/snapback] Dave_7 = the invisible man
Ric Flair Posted 22 June 2005 Posted 22 June 2005 Time is a great healer. It's almost 2 months since we last watched de Vries, people forget how bad he has been. Well some do anyway, but I think this is a good thing. de Vries needs a fair crack next season, with a full pre-season behind him there should be no excuses. If he has a nightmare start to the season then that's it, he should be binned. I watched him up in Scotland and he was awesome in one game I saw him in, so the talent is there. Hopefully he gets off to a good start and the fans get behind him and there's a recipe for success. I'm willing to give him another chance, there's nothing more that i'd like at present than to see de Vries rip defences apart.
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