Guest Bilo Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 He's a poor manager but is very much a proven coach when he has someone working over him. It wouldn't be the disaster some would think.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 He was 'creative' enough to coach United to win the Champions League, three Premierships and a few odd cups......really rates Richie Wellens !!!
Godzilla Gorilla Pimp Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 director of football would be daft. good coach though. the only think that makes me reticent is the whole schteve "the wally" mcdonut that surrounds him.
marbelladave Posted 21 October 2011 Author Posted 21 October 2011 Unless you have any details regarding his roles at these clubs, they're just mere titles. Did he have different jobs at Twente and Wolfsburg? I wasn't under the impression that he did... Very much so..... At Twente he was first team coach in a continental setup that involved a director of football and a football manager (of the club, not just the team) above him. He was simply the first team coach, very much a technical position. Wolfsburg, like most German Clubs, have an English style manager, handling the extra workload plus the language and cultural differences was beyond him. Strangely I find myself defending Schteve, who I believe to be a very decent coach but a mediocre manager. i am by no means sure that he would be a good 'fit' at City, just pointing out a few reasons why he just might be......
darko2k7 Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 I bet any money the original source of this rumour is that idiot on the phone in after the Watford game ( Martin ) who sugested this, although he thought Darren Ferguson would be the man to come in PMSL.
Kitchandro Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 Being serious for a moment, I find the negativity quite surprising. Schteve is, without doubt an excellent coach, but severely limited as a manager. I think in combination with Sven it could work really well. His media image is clearly an issue with some of you, but looking past that I think his coaching skills and tactical ability are pretty much what we need, in fact I think I could live with that. One thing we do not need is for him to succeed Sven as manager, look at his recent history, 1st team coach at Twente and they win the league, manager at Wolfsburg and it goes horribly wrong...... Forest have some decent players, if he's such a good coach why were they all performing below their potential? And same question but instead of Forest England. If there's anything we need next to Sven it's a motivator, McLaren is not that.
Kitchandro Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 I can't understand Schteve, he clearly has something. With Boro he finished 7th in the Premiership, got them to the UEFA cup final and he won the league cup. Then at Twente he won the league. But then you see what he did with England, Wolfsburg and Forest. It's very odd, maybe he just got lucky with Boro and Twente. I think so. I swear in recent years Ajax finished well down the dutch league one season and the next they finished in the top 3. It doesn't seem a great league and the gulf between the top and bottom teams is probably not that big. Boro did finish 7th but they also nearly went down in his last season there, it wasn't sustained success. And anyone who watched them in the UEFA Cup when they reached the final will remember they were heavily outplayed for about 160 minutes of every knockout tie and were about 3 or 4-0 down, before a miraculous late comeback (reminiscant of a certain Forest game this season I might add) They then lost 4-0 in the final I believe.
shen Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 Very much so..... At Twente he was first team coach in a continental setup that involved a director of football and a football manager (of the club, not just the team) above him. He was simply the first team coach, very much a technical position. Wolfsburg, like most German Clubs, have an English style manager, handling the extra workload plus the language and cultural differences was beyond him. Strangely I find myself defending Schteve, who I believe to be a very decent coach but a mediocre manager. i am by no means sure that he would be a good 'fit' at City, just pointing out a few reasons why he just might be...... Again, from what I read he very much had a manager's role at Twente as well. Who would've been the DoF whilst he was there? It would be strange for a 'first team coach' to say something like "To win a championship in a foreign country with foreign coaches, I think it's made me stronger" and basically taking credit for their achievement. Surely that would be a manager who was in charge of football matters, who'd say such a thing.
marbelladave Posted 21 October 2011 Author Posted 21 October 2011 Again, from what I read he very much had a manager's role at Twente as well. Who would've been the DoF whilst he was there? It would be strange for a 'first team coach' to say something like "To win a championship in a foreign country with foreign coaches, I think it's made me stronger" and basically taking credit for their achievement. Surely that would be a manager who was in charge of football matters, who'd say such a thing. This is getting silly. I am not an expert on McClarans career, just offering the view that despite the 'wally with a brolly' tabloid image he is a well respected coach. Given my oft stated position that i believe City are in desperate need of a decent coach, and the fact that Sven and Schteve have worked together I simply picked up on a rumour that, for me, sounded like it might have legs. It has been pointed out that Sven will probably not relinquish control (of the team) to someone who is obviously his junior, but he might just do so for someone of the stature of McClaran. That's it, I'm not suggesting it is some sort of 'dream ticket' to take us into the Champions League, just that a good 'technical' coach might well organise and improve on the generally inconsistent and occassionally shambolic performances that have been so evident that season. Don't like the idea, fine, I'm not that bothered...... I do however remain totally sure that we need a proper first team coach and without one we are going to be very lucky indeed to get the promotion that is the aim for this season.
shen Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 This is getting silly. I am not an expert on McClarans career, just offering the view that despite the 'wally with a brolly' tabloid image he is a well respected coach. Fine fine, but you conveniently based some of that on the claim he was only acting as a 'coach' at Twente, while he was a 'manager' at Wolfsburg. Your opinion on his coaching skills is probably down to the endorsement of SAF, which is fair enough I guess. Good points on the rest though...
marbelladave Posted 22 October 2011 Author Posted 22 October 2011 Fine fine, but you conveniently based some of that on the claim he was only acting as a 'coach' at Twente, while he was a 'manager' at Wolfsburg. Your opinion on his coaching skills is probably down to the endorsement of SAF, which is fair enough I guess. Good points on the rest though... I don't recall the source but I do remember an article where Schteve was discussing his time at Twente and pointed out that he was enjoying his time there as he was really only working with the the players and unemcunbered by other issues. Clearly his assistant coaches were not English and he was pleased with the way they all worked together, which was referred to earleir. It was also clear from the article that Twente was set up on the european model with a director of football et al. I guess I will have to declare an interest though....... I met Schteve a couple of times during his time as England boss, (Kick Racism out of football events) and was able to introduce him to a few music people I knew. This gave us the opportunity to talk, football and music and I thought him a really decent bloke, very easy going despite the pressures of the England job.
SMX11 Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 This is a load of BS, Sven has gone on record saying that he didn't like the role at Notts County because he wasn't on the training ground working with the players day in day out. So I would safely say that there is no truth in these rumors.
tickler28 Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 I've heard Howard Wilkinson is out of work........
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