You only post when we're losing ......post when we're losing !

[flowwolf]

It's like saying you only moan when the bus doesn't turn up , To bloody right I do !

[seenitall]

Not really Thai bashing - the owners we have at the moment happen to be from Thailand, but that is not a reason to think they are naive and inept - their stewardship of our club is. They sacrificed this season on a knee jerk whim and the fact that you state Top's reason for sacking Sven as some kind of mantra (as if he is a football guru), the fact they could not attract anyone to the club for so many games, effectively finished the season for us - to say that they are noble men is tosh - if you were fired today and your boss said 'at least we haven't spoken to anyone else' would that make you think he was an honourable man, or would you give a shit?

This season was thrown on the bonfire after the Millwall game, by the board, who have no football experience - it is not Nigel Pearson's fault any more than it was Svens - good businesses are run from the top (ho ho) and having a shit load of money and wanting to own a shiny football team does not make you any better at running that type of business than me having a load of money and wanting to own and manage Take That - you either are in the business or not and these guys have been allowed in to run the club with less experience than most who attend the games each week.

It will end in tears, unfortunately probably ours.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Not really Thai bashing - the owners we have at the moment happen to be from Thailand, but that is not a reason to think they are naive and inept - their stewardship of our club is. They sacrificed this season on a knee jerk whim and the fact that you state Top's reason for sacking Sven as some kind of mantra (as if he is a football guru), the fact they could not attract anyone to the club for so many games, effectively finished the season for us - to say that they are noble men is tosh - if you were fired today and your boss said 'at least we haven't spoken to anyone else' would that make you think he was an honourable man, or would you give a shit?

This season was thrown on the bonfire after the Millwall game, by the board, who have no football experience - it is not Nigel Pearson's fault any more than it was Svens - good businesses are run from the top (ho ho) and having a shit load of money and wanting to own a shiny football team does not make you any better at running that type of business than me having a load of money and wanting to own and manage Take That - you either are in the business or not and these guys have been allowed in to run the club with less experience than most who attend the games each week.

It will end in tears, unfortunately probably ours.

Wow. Even more bollocks than your last post on here. Well done.

[seenitall]

You know it....................

[Captain...]

Not really Thai bashing - the owners we have at the moment happen to be from Thailand, but that is not a reason to think they are naive and inept - their stewardship of our club is. They sacrificed this season on a knee jerk whim and the fact that you state Top's reason for sacking Sven as some kind of mantra (as if he is a football guru), the fact they could not attract anyone to the club for so many games, effectively finished the season for us - to say that they are noble men is tosh - if you were fired today and your boss said 'at least we haven't spoken to anyone else' would that make you think he was an honourable man, or would you give a shit?

This season was thrown on the bonfire after the Millwall game, by the board, who have no football experience - it is not Nigel Pearson's fault any more than it was Svens - good businesses are run from the top (ho ho) and having a shit load of money and wanting to own a shiny football team does not make you any better at running that type of business than me having a load of money and wanting to own and manage Take That - you either are in the business or not and these guys have been allowed in to run the club with less experience than most who attend the games each week.

It will end in tears, unfortunately probably ours.

I disagree, you want to compare what happened with Sven to what has just happened to Lee Clark, now that is shocking, The thing for me was we weren't improving under Sven, our performances were drab and even we won, we did so without any style, remember the home game against Watford, I have never experienced such a boring victory in my life.

Now you may say we aren't progressing under NP but I disagree, look at games like Boro, we would have lost that under Sven, the fact i it is still Sven's team, with the exception of Drinkwater who has been the brightest spark in the last few games. You can also say that NP has got the best out of Beckford and SSL and rejuvenated Wellens, but we still have the same failings at the back, and Peltier has gone downhill.

The main difference between Sven last year and NP this year, I know what the bulk of our squad will be at the start of next season, we will know its strengths and its weaknesses and hopefully how to get the best out of them to win this league and make the necessary additions.

January is a shit time to buy players and I think that this January has been much more beneficial to the club than last January, the Thais seem to have realised that they can be a viable business in the championship and once stable we can push for the prem, but approaches like last year are just spunking money up the wall, I would be happy with a couple more seasons in the Championship building a team of young hungry players capable of establishing ourselves in the Prem. I don't know why everyone else is so desperate for instant success, can you imagine how much of a bumming we would get if this team got promoted.

[seenitall]

Winning with style argument comes back - unhappy with beating Watford without performing like Barcelona = dreamer

'Sven would have lost that game' bollocks as well - you cannot possibly state that and unless you are asleep all the time we have just lost 2 out of our last 3 games, would he have lost those games as well? If so, how come we are better off losing them under Nige? because he is Nige?

Who cares about Lee Clark?

Drinkwater has had 2 games for us - how can he be the future yet, he might be shit in 3 more games time - too much supposition old chap - in fact there is so much twaddle in your post I could respond all day but I think I'll stop and let you dream of your Brazil 70 style playing City getting thrashed by Norwich but not being boring with it

[Captain...]

Winning with style argument comes back - unhappy with beating Watford without performing like Barcelona = dreamer

'Sven would have lost that game' bollocks as well - you cannot possibly state that and unless you are asleep all the time we have just lost 2 out of our last 3 games, would he have lost those games as well? If so, how come we are better off losing them under Nige? because he is Nige?

Who cares about Lee Clark?

Drinkwater has had 2 games for us - how can he be the future yet, he might be shit in 3 more games time - too much supposition old chap - in fact there is so much twaddle in your post I could respond all day but I think I'll stop and let you dream of your Brazil 70 style playing City getting thrashed by Norwich but not being boring with it

I have never said anything about wanting City to play like Brazil, you are putting words into my mouth, I am saying we are making progress in terms of getting some spirit back around the club and building a team rather than trying to buy a team, I don't think things are perfect now and they could be improved, but the main point I was disagreeing with was the owners sacrificed the season with a knee jerk after Milwall, that's just not true the squad had been underperforming all season, lots of dire 0-0s and even beating Watford and Derby we did so without ever being inspiring.

Sven was spending a lot of money and not taking us forwards, Pearson has cut the wage bill by getting rid of some players on big money, Abe, Fernandes, and got rid of deadwood, Ball, he has not spent much money on bringing a bit of young quality assets to the club and we have put in some very good performances under NP, Cardiff, Southampton and Forest, much better than Brighton, Watford and Derby under Sven. Even when we lose I see signs of progress, we fought back from going behind against Watford and outplayed them, should have won, the fact we didn't doesn't concern we as much as some of the performances under Sven.

Since Barnsely I don't think we have played badly, we have been unlucky and not been helped by dodgy decisions and injuries, but we are playing better, getting some constistency and building something. This season is a write-off so in some ways the results don't matter as much as the performances, what is important is we build momentum and team spirit and take it into next season.

[Guest Col city fan]

I have never said anything about wanting City to play like Brazil, you are putting words into my mouth, I am saying we are making progress in terms of getting some spirit back around the club and building a team rather than trying to buy a team, I don't think things are perfect now and they could be improved, but the main point I was disagreeing with was the owners sacrificed the season with a knee jerk after Milwall, that's just not true the squad had been underperforming all season, lots of dire 0-0s and even beating Watford and Derby we did so without ever being inspiring.

Sven was spending a lot of money and not taking us forwards, Pearson has cut the wage bill by getting rid of some players on big money, Abe, Fernandes, and got rid of deadwood, Ball, he has not spent much money on bringing a bit of young quality assets to the club and we have put in some very good performances under NP, Cardiff, Southampton and Forest, much better than Brighton, Watford and Derby under Sven. Even when we lose I see signs of progress, we fought back from going behind against Watford and outplayed them, should have won, the fact we didn't doesn't concern we as much as some of the performances under Sven.

Since Barnsely I don't think we have played badly, we have been unlucky and not been helped by dodgy decisions and injuries, but we are playing better, getting some constistency and building something. This season is a write-off so in some ways the results don't matter as much as the performances, what is important is we build momentum and team spirit and take it into next season.

I agree with all of this except, again, you are stating 'we should have won'....

Can you not see that this is a futile comment to make and it serves no purpose?

We didn't win.. End of

It's those key moments in every game that make all the difference.. All the difference

The missed chances one end, the defensive blunders at the other are what turn a good performance generally into another loss.

There is no 'we should have won'

Sadly, this team this season has been too full of such 'little errors' which have actually cost us dearly.

And again, it underlies the fact that we are not consistently good enough.

To use the 'if only' argument is pointless.. If only Mills had not let their forward in, if only we had turned all of our possession into goals...

He did and we didn't... These 'errors' are why Watford beat us and, if not stamped out, more or less, we will continue to lose football matches.

At this level it's fine margins

[Captain...]

I agree with all of this except, again, you are stating 'we should have won'....

Can you not see that this is a futile comment to make and it serves no purpose?

We didn't win.. End of

It's those key moments in every game that make all the difference.. All the difference

The missed chances one end, the defensive blunders at the other are what turn a good performance generally into another loss.

There is no 'we should have won'

Sadly, this team this season has been too full of such 'little errors' which have actually cost us dearly.

And again, it underlies the fact that we are not consistently good enough.

To use the 'if only' argument is pointless.. If only Mills had not let their forward in, if only we had turned all of our possession into goals...

He did and we didn't... These 'errors' are why Watford beat us and, if not stamped out, more or less, we will continue to lose football matches.

At this level it's fine margins

You are right and maybe I should have put, we played well enough to win, but like I said at this stage of the campaign, results don't matter, I would rather see us play well make some mistakes, like inability to defend a set-piece, work on fixing them in training, than be winning games despite playing dog-shit kick and rush football and getting lucky, then getting some emergency loans in to fuel a last gasp play-off push. In the end not actually finding anything out about the team, then be back to square one in pre-season, if that makes sense.

I really want Pearson to draw a line under this season and start trying things, give Morgan a start, SSL at right back, Kennedy left back, try Marshall and Dyer are we strong enough in the middle to support to attacking players on the flanks, can Marshall and SSl dominate the right better than Peltier and Gallagher, can Gallagher play behind Nugent and Beckford, do we have the players to play 532. As soon as we accept it is not going to be this season we can start preparing for next season, no shame in it, no harm in it, take the pressure off make some changes, give the fringe members a chance to prove they are worth their place in the squad for next season.

[Raw Dykes]

You are right and maybe I should have put, we played well enough to win, but like I said at this stage of the campaign, results don't matter, I would rather see us play well make some mistakes, like inability to defend a set-piece, work on fixing them in training, than be winning games despite playing dog-shit kick and rush football and getting lucky, then getting some emergency loans in to fuel a last gasp play-off push. In the end not actually finding anything out about the team, then be back to square one in pre-season, if that makes sense.

I really want Pearson to draw a line under this season and start trying things, give Morgan a start, SSL at right back, Kennedy left back, try Marshall and Dyer are we strong enough in the middle to support to attacking players on the flanks, can Marshall and SSl dominate the right better than Peltier and Gallagher, can Gallagher play behind Nugent and Beckford, do we have the players to play 532. As soon as we accept it is not going to be this season we can start preparing for next season, no shame in it, no harm in it, take the pressure off make some changes, give the fringe members a chance to prove they are worth their place in the squad for next season.

I agree, this is what I want to see. It's too late for us to challenge for promotion, so I hope to see NP use the rest of the season to try out tactics, formations and different players in different positions. I'd like to see some academy players given a run out in the first team, as well. It's important that we build for the long-term, rather than try to patch the team up with loans for a quick fix and a near-impossible late charge for the playoffs.

I agree with all of this except, again, you are stating 'we should have won'....

Can you not see that this is a futile comment to make and it serves no purpose?

We didn't win.. End of

It's those key moments in every game that make all the difference.. All the difference

The missed chances one end, the defensive blunders at the other are what turn a good performance generally into another loss.

There is no 'we should have won'

Sadly, this team this season has been too full of such 'little errors' which have actually cost us dearly.

And again, it underlies the fact that we are not consistently good enough.

To use the 'if only' argument is pointless.. If only Mills had not let their forward in, if only we had turned all of our possession into goals...

He did and we didn't... These 'errors' are why Watford beat us and, if not stamped out, more or less, we will continue to lose football matches.

At this level it's fine margins

"We should have won" isn't a completely futile statement. If the team isn't getting results, but is consistently playing well enough to, then you can be sure it's only a matter of time before results start going your way. The time to worry is when you can see the team is struggling or cannot be bothered to put the effort in. It's all very well saying a defeat is a defeat, but this is football. The beauty of it is that scoring goals is difficult. This means the best team doesn't always necessarily win. This is sometimes why giant killings happen in the cup. One team can have 30 shots to the oppositions 1 and still lose. Some defeats can be forgiven much more than others.

[Guest Col city fan]

I agree, this is what I want to see. It's too late for us to challenge for promotion, so I hope to see NP use the rest of the season to try out tactics, formations and different players in different positions. I'd like to see some academy players given a run out in the first team, as well. It's important that we build for the long-term, rather than try to patch the team up with loans for a quick fix and a near-impossible late charge for the playoffs.

"We should have won" isn't a completely futile statement. If the team isn't getting results, but is consistently playing well enough to, then you can be sure it's only a matter of time before results start going your way. The time to worry is when you can see the team is struggling or cannot be bothered to put the effort in. It's all very well saying a defeat is a defeat, but this is football. The beauty of it is that scoring goals is difficult. This means the best team doesn't always necessarily win. This is sometimes why giant killings happen in the cup. One team can have 30 shots to the oppositions 1 and still lose. Some defeats can be forgiven much more than others.

I agree on one off games. Then 'giant killing' of course can happen.

Not over the course of a season though. Or two thirds of a season in this case. Then the best teams amass the most points and sit where they sit in the league.

West Ham are the best squad in the division and are sitting top.

Why? Because game for game they have either made the fewest errors or taken the most chances, or possibly both.

We played better than Watford maybe? But it don't matter.. You slip up at the back or don't convert chances into goals you can play the prettiest football you like but you'll still lose.

This team needs to stop making those defensive errors and needs to score more goals. Then we will climb.

[Mission Unlikely Promotion]

I agree on one off games. Then 'giant killing' of course can happen.

Not over the course of a season though. Or two thirds of a season in this case. Then the best teams amass the most points and sit where they sit in the league.

West Ham are the best squad in the division and are sitting top.

Why? Because game for game they have either made the fewest errors or taken the most chances, or possibly both.

We played better than Watford maybe? But it don't matter.. You slip up at the back or don't convert chances into goals you can play the prettiest football you like but you'll still lose.

This team needs to stop making those defensive errors and needs to score more goals. Then we will climb.

Stop talking sense Col city fan

[seenitall]

West Ham are top because they kept their manager after a shaky start to the season - the board gave him a bit of time (a point Allardyce made when S*** got fired) - knee jerk, and they'll do it again, you watch

[Raw Dykes]

I agree on one off games. Then 'giant killing' of course can happen.

Not over the course of a season though. Or two thirds of a season in this case. Then the best teams amass the most points and sit where they sit in the league.

West Ham are the best squad in the division and are sitting top.

Why? Because game for game they have either made the fewest errors or taken the most chances, or possibly both.

We played better than Watford maybe? But it don't matter.. You slip up at the back or don't convert chances into goals you can play the prettiest football you like but you'll still lose.

This team needs to stop making those defensive errors and needs to score more goals. Then we will climb.

I agree with all that, and I do get why "if only" comments are pointless; I'm just saying I don't think "we should have won" is another redundant comment about a football match. I know I'm far more disappointed after seeing the team lose when they got what they deserved, than when they lose, but played well and put a lot of effort in.

Of course there have been too many defensive errors, and if the team is to achieve consistency, they'll have to work out how to cut them out, but I think you'll agree that the team's closer to playing themselves into good form when they get beaten in a close match, than when they get beaten and never looked like winning.

[FuriousFox46]

Losses stir up problems that require discussion.

Wins don't.

I'd have thought that was pretty obvious...

[HEGGSY]

Losses stir up problems that require discussion.

Wins don't.

I'd have thought that was pretty obvious...

This.

[flowwolf]

Losses stir up problems that require discussion.

Wins don't.

I'd have thought that was pretty obvious...

Never for one moment think the obvious applies on here.

[FuriousFox46]

Never for one moment think the obvious applies on here.

Haha! That was pretty stupid of me

[Guest Col city fan]

I agree with all that, and I do get why "if only" comments are pointless; I'm just saying I don't think "we should have won" is another redundant comment about a football match. I know I'm far more disappointed after seeing the team lose when they got what they deserved, than when they lose, but played well and put a lot of effort in.

Of course there have been too many defensive errors, and if the team is to achieve consistency, they'll have to work out how to cut them out, but I think you'll agree that the team's closer to playing themselves into good form when they get beaten in a close match, than when they get beaten and never looked like winning.

Look at the goal difference we have compared to the top sides.

Here's a clue..... Goals 'scored'has been as much a problem as goals conceded.. Maybe even more so?

How many goals has Wellens got? King? Dyer? Beckford.......

Leicester City's problem this season is as much about chances not made, or taken, as it is about defensive frailty.

If we had gone three two up against Watford, following long periods of possession, the third goal we conceded to them wouldn't have been as much of a problem would it? In fact, Mills probably wouldn't have been as nervy and wouldn't have slipped up again.

We ain't scored enough goals this year!!! Bingo

[Raw Dykes]

Look at the goal difference we have compared to the top sides.

Here's a clue..... Goals 'scored'has been as much a problem as goals conceded.. Maybe even more so?

How many goals has Wellens got? King? Dyer? Beckford.......

Leicester City's problem this season is as much about chances not made, or taken, as it is about defensive frailty.

If we had gone three two up against Watford, following long periods of possession, the third goal we conceded to them wouldn't have been as much of a problem would it? In fact, Mills probably wouldn't have been as nervy and wouldn't have slipped up again.

We ain't scored enough goals this year!!! Bingo

I don't know what you're on about now. You're preaching to the choir, and you're going off on a tangent. I was only pointing out that some defeats are very disappointing, and that some are easily forgivable. I agree with everything else you've said.

Yes, we make defensive errors. Yes, we don't score enough goals. Yes, it's been a disappointing season. I agree, but what's all that got to do with the futility of the phrase, "we should have won."

[Guest Col city fan]

I don't know what you're on about now. You're preaching to the choir, and you're going off on a tangent. I was only pointing out that some defeats are very disappointing, and that some are easily forgivable. I agree with everything else you've said.

Yes, we make defensive errors. Yes, we don't score enough goals. Yes, it's been a disappointing season. I agree, but what's all that got to do with the futility of the phrase, "we should have won."

Sorry mate.. I wasn't clear. Look at your previous post, where you mentioned 'defensive errors'...

I was making the point that this has only been half the story and that the games 'we should have won' we didn't because we could not turn the possession we had into goals..

Going forwards this team has been as bad, if not worse, than it has going backwards...

In fact, when you weigh up the runs we have had when we kept clean sheets it demonstrates even more clearly that there have been far too few goals in the team.

[seenitall]

Good point by Col here - it seems that He who shall remain nameless had come to the same conclusion. In the last 8 games under Sven we let in 6 goals - 2 of those were penalties, so only four from open play.

Interestingly we didn't manage to score in 4 of those games - Nugent was out injured for the first 4 of them and Becks was injured and missed Derby and most of Brum game.

The first start by Becks and Nugent together and the only sustained period on the pitch together resulted in them both scoring and a 2-0 win

The Millwall game stands out as an aberration in this period (not sure it was a big enough one to get fired over still) and ended four straight wins at the King Power (not seen that since he left)

6 goals in 8 games against if it could have been sustained over a season would give us a goals against over a season of 34.5 (let's say 35) which is 3 worse than QPR went up with last year and 23 less than Norwich went up with, so quite possibly, even when you include Millwall, we had turned a corner defensively - the strike force which only had two starts together may indeed have been the difference

Instead the goons at the top of the club freaked out because a few fans booed after one bad game and now we'll be lucky if we finish top half of the table

Ho Hum

[Wherethefoxhat?]

Losses stir up problems that require discussion.

Wins don't.

I'd have thought that was pretty obvious...

Obvious that the moaners can have another field day don't you mean ?

You'll never hear a peep out of them when we play well i can assure you of that !!

[Captain...]

Good point by Col here - it seems that He who shall remain nameless had come to the same conclusion. In the last 8 games under Sven we let in 6 goals - 2 of those were penalties, so only four from open play.

Interestingly we didn't manage to score in 4 of those games - Nugent was out injured for the first 4 of them and Becks was injured and missed Derby and most of Brum game.

The first start by Becks and Nugent together and the only sustained period on the pitch together resulted in them both scoring and a 2-0 win

The Millwall game stands out as an aberration in this period (not sure it was a big enough one to get fired over still) and ended four straight wins at the King Power (not seen that since he left)

6 goals in 8 games against if it could have been sustained over a season would give us a goals against over a season of 34.5 (let's say 35) which is 3 worse than QPR went up with last year and 23 less than Norwich went up with, so quite possibly, even when you include Millwall, we had turned a corner defensively - the strike force which only had two starts together may indeed have been the difference

Instead the goons at the top of the club freaked out because a few fans booed after one bad game and now we'll be lucky if we finish top half of the table

Ho Hum

Seriously, why are you raking over this again? Maybe if Sven had stayed we would be 10 points clear at the top, Beckford top scorer and already in the quarter finals of the FA Cup, but judging on how it was going we would probably be hemorrhaging more money on about the same points and bringing in loan after pointless loan in a desperate bid to get promotion.

The thing is we don't know, but this no back to back league wins started under Sven, he had over a year and after a bright start we stalled and, so the rumours go, he had lost the dressing room. We were lacklustre and had no fight, if the team didn't just roll over and let us control the game we lost.

You may not see the improvements but I do, we didn't beat Cardiff and Southampton because we were just too good for them, we beat them because we wanted it more, it was the kind of performance I never saw under Sven.

Look at all the midfielders brought to the club by Sven where are they now? NP has signed a class act, for a fraction of the cost and one who will develop to be an outstanding player. That is what we should have been doing for the last 2 years, the future is bright, but the future is a long way away at the moment, but Pearson's approach, if alllowed to do so, will reap greater rewards than Sven.

[jonlcfc1990]

that said nearly every single thread on here has people trying to kill it with death posts. EVEN THE BLOODY OPTIMISTIC PAGE!