lush Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 The text of the proclamation from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe reads as follows: In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."
Thracian Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 The text of the proclamation from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe reads as follows: In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly." 134258[/snapback] Just an aside but would they have the Arabs and Islamics out of Britain in return? Don't they have a wonderful sense of logic:- Their attack is not against any military personnel. Instead they kill or maim hundreds of people who may be a) Islamic, B) Totally against the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, c) Visitors from countries quite outside those connected with conflict. Then they talk about "God the merciful, God the Compassionate". They are frauds. They have no true fear of God. They have no true intention of respecting, obeying and promoting his call for love and goodwill between and among men. They even seek to corrupt and cancer the minds of their own young people. When will the truly strong among their own young people call stop and embrace the true Brotherhood of man. Only then will they gain respect and only then might they start to have a positive impact on those they might seek to impress. Already I have seen them kill women. Do the strong and righteous kill or harm women. They are beyond contempt. Already I have seen them kill the weak, those who would seek to help their brother men, those who would declare themselves outside of physical combat. Do the strong and righteous kill those who are kind or those who are defenceless? They are beyond contempt. Already I have seen them brainwash their young and arm those same people whose minds have not had chance to develop into maturity and sound judgement to take up arms, to sacrifice their lives, to attack indiscriminately. Do the strong and righteous manipulate their own young folk for their own ends? God talked of a man's life being three score years and ten. Do the Islamic men of God, (Lord save them from their despicable arrogance and give them enlightenment) truly have the right to knowingly use their youth in a manner which will shorten that lifespan by 50 years or more? Would anything make their creator more angry? They are beyond contempt and will stand before the God they supposedly represent alongside the Hitler's of this world for he too manipulated his own youth for his own ends. If the youth of Islam wish to shine before God they will regain respect by living truly Godly lives and by following and promoting the true word of the Almighty. And if the wiser Islamic community agrees with this they will show love to their young ones and help them to see clearly along a path that leads to love of and respect for their fellow men. There is much to admire in the true teachings of Islam (and much that might be more humanely interpreted or corrected in my humble and unimportant opinion). The Fundamentalists, far from spreading the word of Islam, have dragged its name through the entrails of every victim whose death and maiming they so joyfully and sinfully celebrate. And are there any worse than these men? There is, perhaps, one worse. Our leader. Our Mr Sincere. The man who would protect us from such abomination. He declares that "nothing will change our country and our way of life". Is he COMPLETELY BLIND? Look at the changes that are there for all to see. Our streets all have security cameras. Our principal buildings are all ring-fenced with concrete. Our train stations and bus stations have to be permanently patrolled. Our cities are full of mosques which are all to often the focul point for hatred (OF WE WHO WERE TRULY BRED HERE FOR GENERATIONS AND WHO TRULY LOVE OUR GREEN AND PLEASANT LAND). Some of our people have developed a fear, a suspicion and a hatred of anyone with Arabic features or who is wearing Islamic clothing and, indeed anything and everything that Islam seems to stand for according to the fanatics. That never used to be Mr Blair. The many Arabic or Islamic people I met were invariably gracious, polite, modest, capable and dignified, not people to be feared and despised. Are not those who would truly celebrate and promote Islam not saddened and ashamed of the effect they have had and are having on our land because I would never wish to bring misery or shame to a Moslem land that I visited or lived in. Quite the reverse, I would respect its people and ALWAYS honour its way of life. OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHANGED MR BLAIR. YOU HAVE PRESIDED OVER MUCH OF THAT CHANGE. WHAT ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO DO TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY HAPPY AND HARMONIOUS ONCE MORE? NOT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY MR GRIN-AND-BLAIR-IT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
shen Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 Hmm...It's a worrying read. Does this mean that we should expect further attacks in Denmark and Italy in the near future?
Guest Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 Just an aside but would they have the Arabs and Islamics out of Britain in return?Don't they have a wonderful sense of logic:- Their attack is not against any military personnel. Instead they kill or maim hundreds of people who may be a) Islamic, B) Totally against the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, c) Visitors from countries quite outside those connected with conflict. Then they talk about "God the merciful, God the Compassionate". They are frauds. They have no true fear of God. They have no true intention of respecting, obeying and promoting his call for love and goodwill between and among men. They even seek to corrupt and cancer the minds of their own young people. When will the truly strong among their own young people call stop and embrace the true Brotherhood of man. Only then will they gain respect and only then might they start to have a positive impact on those they might seek to impress. Already I have seen them kill women. Do the strong and righteous kill or harm women. They are beyond contempt. Already I have seen them kill the weak, those who would seek to help their brother men, those who would declare themselves outside of physical combat. Do the strong and righteous kill those who are kind or those who are defenceless? They are beyond contempt. Already I have seen them brainwash their young and arm those same people whose minds have not had chance to develop into maturity and sound judgement to take up arms, to sacrifice their lives, to attack indiscriminately. Do the strong and righteous manipulate their own young folk for their own ends? God talked of a man's life being three score years and ten. Do the Islamic men of God, (Lord save them from their despicable arrogance and give them enlightenment) truly have the right to knowingly use their youth in a manner which will shorten that lifespan by 50 years or more? Would anything make their creator more angry? They are beyond contempt and will stand before the God they supposedly represent alongside the Hitler's of this world for he too manipulated his own youth for his own ends. If the youth of Islam wish to shine before God they will regain respect by living truly Godly lives and by following and promoting the true word of the Almighty. And if the wiser Islamic community agrees with this they will show love to their young ones and help them to see clearly along a path that leads to love of and respect for their fellow men. There is much to admire in the true teachings of Islam (and much that might be more humanely interpreted or corrected in my humble and unimportant opinion). The Fundamentalists, far from spreading the word of Islam, have dragged its name through the entrails of every victim whose death and maiming they so joyfully and sinfully celebrate. And are there any worse than these men? There is, perhaps, one worse. Our leader. Our Mr Sincere. The man who would protect us from such abomination. He declares that "nothing will change our country and our way of life". Is he COMPLETELY BLIND? Look at the changes that are there for all to see. Our streets all have security cameras. Our principal buildings are all ring-fenced with concrete. Our train stations and bus stations have to be permanently patrolled. Our cities are full of mosques which are all to often the focul point for hatred (OF WE WHO WERE TRULY BRED HERE FOR GENERATIONS AND WHO TRULY LOVE OUR GREEN AND PLEASANT LAND). Some of our people have developed a fear, a suspicion and a hatred of anyone with Arabic features or who is wearing Islamic clothing and, indeed anything and everything that Islam seems to stand for according to the fanatics. That never used to be Mr Blair. The many Arabic or Islamic people I met were invariably gracious, polite, modest, capable and dignified, not people to be feared and despised. Are not those who would truly celebrate and promote Islam not saddened and ashamed of the effect they have had and are having on our land because I would never wish to bring misery or shame to a Moslem land that I visited or lived in. Quite the reverse, I would respect its people and ALWAYS honour its way of life. OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHANGED MR BLAIR. YOU HAVE PRESIDED OVER MUCH OF THAT CHANGE. WHAT ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO DO TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY HAPPY AND HARMONIOUS ONCE MORE? NOT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY MR GRIN-AND-BLAIR-IT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 134301[/snapback] Blimey! I thought the Thracians loved a bit of a rumble as well!
Thracian Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 Just an aside but would they have the Arabs and Islamics out of Britain in return?Don't they have a wonderful sense of logic:- Their attack is not against any military personnel. Instead they kill or maim hundreds of people who may be a) Islamic, B) Totally against the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, c) Visitors from countries quite outside those connected with conflict. Then they talk about "God the merciful, God the Compassionate". They are frauds. They have no true fear of God. They have no true intention of respecting, obeying and promoting his call for love and goodwill between and among men. They even seek to corrupt and cancer the minds of their own young people. When will the truly strong among their own young people call stop and embrace the true Brotherhood of man. Only then will they gain respect and only then might they start to have a positive impact on those they might seek to impress. Already I have seen them kill women. Do the strong and righteous kill or harm women. They are beyond contempt. Already I have seen them kill the weak, those who would seek to help their brother men, those who would declare themselves outside of physical combat. Do the strong and righteous kill those who are kind or those who are defenceless? They are beyond contempt. Already I have seen them brainwash their young and arm those same people whose minds have not had chance to develop into maturity and sound judgement to take up arms, to sacrifice their lives, to attack indiscriminately. Do the strong and righteous manipulate their own young folk for their own ends? God talked of a man's life being three score years and ten. Do the Islamic men of God, (Lord save them from their despicable arrogance and give them enlightenment) truly have the right to knowingly use their youth in a manner which will shorten that lifespan by 50 years or more? Would anything make their creator more angry? They are beyond contempt and will stand before the God they supposedly represent alongside the Hitler's of this world for he too manipulated his own youth for his own ends. If the youth of Islam wish to shine before God they will regain respect by living truly Godly lives and by following and promoting the true word of the Almighty. And if the wiser Islamic community agrees with this they will show love to their young ones and help them to see clearly along a path that leads to love of and respect for their fellow men. There is much to admire in the true teachings of Islam (and much that might be more humanely interpreted or corrected in my humble and unimportant opinion). The Fundamentalists, far from spreading the word of Islam, have dragged its name through the entrails of every victim whose death and maiming they so joyfully and sinfully celebrate. And are there any worse than these men? There is, perhaps, one worse. Our leader. Our Mr Sincere. The man who would protect us from such abomination. He declares that "nothing will change our country and our way of life". Is he COMPLETELY BLIND? Look at the changes that are there for all to see. Our streets all have security cameras. Our principal buildings are all ring-fenced with concrete. Our train stations and bus stations have to be permanently patrolled. Our cities are full of mosques which are all to often the focul point for hatred (OF WE WHO WERE TRULY BRED HERE FOR GENERATIONS AND WHO TRULY LOVE OUR GREEN AND PLEASANT LAND). Some of our people have developed a fear, a suspicion and a hatred of anyone with Arabic features or who is wearing Islamic clothing and, indeed anything and everything that Islam seems to stand for according to the fanatics. That never used to be Mr Blair. The many Arabic or Islamic people I met were invariably gracious, polite, modest, capable and dignified, not people to be feared and despised. Are not those who would truly celebrate and promote Islam not saddened and ashamed of the effect they have had and are having on our land because I would never wish to bring misery or shame to a Moslem land that I visited or lived in. Quite the reverse, I would respect its people and ALWAYS honour its way of life. OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHANGED MR BLAIR. YOU HAVE PRESIDED OVER MUCH OF THAT CHANGE. WHAT ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO DO TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY HAPPY AND HARMONIOUS ONCE MORE? NOT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY MR GRIN-AND-BLAIR-IT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 134301[/snapback] Blimey! I thought the Thracians loved a bit of a rumble as well! 134357[/snapback] Sorry. Reckon I must be sounding past my sell-by date. Oh for a new and youthful body!
Thracian Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 do you reckon another war is looming? 134361[/snapback] With whom?
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHANGED MR BLAIR.YOU HAVE PRESIDED OVER MUCH OF THAT CHANGE. WHAT ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO DO TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY HAPPY AND HARMONIOUS ONCE MORE? NOT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY MR GRIN-AND-BLAIR-IT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 134301[/snapback] It is in `MR GRIN-AND-BLAIR-IT`s ( ) britain today that we have the muslim council of britain, the Koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." (The Koran. Surah 8.123). Yesterday, idiots of the Islamic faith did just that, fought those of the unbelievers, the british public who dont believe. Does the muslim council of britain, adhere to the british way of life?
shack Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 do you reckon another war is looming? 134361[/snapback] With whom? 134396[/snapback] Who ever the USA bombed when their towers were blown up by th Al-Queda?
Thracian Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHANGED MR BLAIR.YOU HAVE PRESIDED OVER MUCH OF THAT CHANGE. WHAT ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO DO TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY HAPPY AND HARMONIOUS ONCE MORE? NOT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY MR GRIN-AND-BLAIR-IT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 134301[/snapback] It is in `MR GRIN-AND-BLAIR-IT`s ( ) britain today that we have the muslim council of britain, the Koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." (The Koran. Surah 8.123). Yesterday, idiots of the Islamic faith did just that, fought those of the unbelievers, the british public who dont believe. Does the muslim council of britain, adhere to the british way of life? 134406[/snapback] Legislation on DECENT NATIONAL VALUES would help to combat that especially if Blair had the courage to give the legislation proper teeth. Sadly, interpretation of the Koran can be manipulated by mischievous people in exactly the same way as The Bible. Manipulators, as I've said. Manipulators always seeking power over people.
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 A cynic of the media and politicians (which is what ive been forced to be, by them) would say, the 2 mentioned businesses would like society to believe that religion has absolutely no bearing on these 37 murders, because if people were told what they NEED to know, not what those 2 businesses (politicians/parties and the media) want us to believe, they wouldnt like it, and it could cause unrest. True, it is not their job to encourage unrest, but it IS the job of our political leaders to tell us the truth, and a respected media outlet would adhere to the same ideology. Telling us that islam is beautiful, whilst standing next to dead british blood, is a farcicle situation. The previous western governments and now the present ones have encouraged this religious war. the global islamic community have decided to stand against us, and who can blame them. I do not completely blame the islamic insurgents who kill 37 british citizens, i blame those of government power past and present who have trodden on their feet in our name, noteably with the war in Iraq. blair is british enemy numero uno in my eyes.
Phil Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 The text of the proclamation from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe reads as follows: In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly." 134258[/snapback] this is the internet, anyone could have written that whats to say some geeky kid sitting infront of his Computer didn't write that to try make an impact?
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 134258[/snapback] this is the internet, anyone could have written that whats to say some geeky kid sitting infront of his Computer didn't write that to try make an impact? 134555[/snapback] True, but its the kind of language that these people use. A geeky kid doesnt set up a website with all that goes with it, in the hope that Islamic insurgents kill innocent non believers. Its also the kind of talk that comes with the koran, "Fight those of the unbelievers...and show them how harsh you can be".
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 This is the mentality of diversion of blame from Islam. A muslim spokesman `Claude` on sky news has just said that the bombs were near a large muslim community, and that it cannot be an attack upon the british alone. WRONG, the bombs hes talking about were detinated deep underground, well away from the Islamic community. Amazingly, as he says this, pictures from yesterday were shown of british citizens fleeing the murder scene. Typically, the sky presenter failed miserably to notice his pathetic comment.
Phil Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 True, but its the kind of language that these people use. A geeky kid doesnt set up a website with all that goes with it, in the hope that Islamic insurgents kill innocent non believers. Its also the kind of talk that comes with the koran, "Fight those of the unbelievers...and show them how harsh you can be". 134596[/snapback] what I'm saying is you cant go accusing certain people of carrying out this attack because of one statement made on one website which could be written by anyone that has access to the Internet.
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 Anyone that has access?? i think you`ll find its absolutely an Islamic insurgent, not `anyone`. Do you think its Islamic insurgents Phil?
Guest Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 Great, let's tarnish all Muslims with the same brush, that'll make the situation a whole lot better.
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 Lisa, do you just like argueing for the sake of or something? The topic and Koran quote ive produced doesnt make the religion of Islam look peaceful as they claim it to be, BUT that does NOT mean that all followers are bad, it means they`ve been misled in the interpretation of the teachings of Islam, which thracian has explained to quite an extent. To follow that up, anyone who believes in a supernatural being without reasonable proof, must be a little daft to say the least.
Guest Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 Lisa, do you just like argueing for the sake of or something?The topic and Koran quote ive produced doesnt make the religion of Islam look peaceful as they claim it to be, BUT that does NOT mean that all followers are bad, it means they`ve been misled in the interpretation of the teachings of Islam, which thracian has explained to quite an extent. To follow that up, anyone who believes in a supernatural being without reasonable proof, must be a little daft to say the least. 134749[/snapback] If you didn't put the holes in, I'd have nothing to pick. As an aside, you shouldn't belittle someone elses beliefs, I know a lot of people who have got thorugh crises because of their faith, and to call them daft is more than a little insulting.
Babylon Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 Lisa, do you just like argueing for the sake of or something?The topic and Koran quote ive produced doesnt make the religion of Islam look peaceful as they claim it to be, BUT that does NOT mean that all followers are bad, it means they`ve been misled in the interpretation of the teachings of Islam, which thracian has explained to quite an extent. To follow that up, anyone who believes in a supernatural being without reasonable proof, must be a little daft to say the least. 134749[/snapback] If you didn't put the holes in, I'd have nothing to pick. As an aside, you shouldn't belittle someone elses beliefs, I know a lot of people who have got thorugh crises because of their faith, and to call them daft is more than a little insulting. 134786[/snapback] Don't argue with him Lisa, he's never wrong. And some of his points have more holes than a great big swiss cheese
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 Lisa, do you just like argueing for the sake of or something?The topic and Koran quote ive produced doesnt make the religion of Islam look peaceful as they claim it to be, BUT that does NOT mean that all followers are bad, it means they`ve been misled in the interpretation of the teachings of Islam, which thracian has explained to quite an extent. To follow that up, anyone who believes in a supernatural being without reasonable proof, must be a little daft to say the least. 134749[/snapback] If you didn't put the holes in, I'd have nothing to pick. As an aside, you shouldn't belittle someone elses beliefs, I know a lot of people who have got thorugh crises because of their faith, and to call them daft is more than a little insulting. 134786[/snapback] What holes? Im entitled to my opinion, so im entitled to say that no one can prove the god thing. If that means people get upset, then they need to look long and hard at what they believe in. Do you believe in the god thing?
Guest Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 Lisa, do you just like argueing for the sake of or something?The topic and Koran quote ive produced doesnt make the religion of Islam look peaceful as they claim it to be, BUT that does NOT mean that all followers are bad, it means they`ve been misled in the interpretation of the teachings of Islam, which thracian has explained to quite an extent. To follow that up, anyone who believes in a supernatural being without reasonable proof, must be a little daft to say the least. 134749[/snapback] If you didn't put the holes in, I'd have nothing to pick. As an aside, you shouldn't belittle someone elses beliefs, I know a lot of people who have got thorugh crises because of their faith, and to call them daft is more than a little insulting. 134786[/snapback] What holes? Im entitled to my opinion, so im entitled to say that no one can prove the god thing. If that means people get upset, then they need to look long and hard at what they believe in. Do you believe in the god thing? 134814[/snapback] Actually, I don't believe in the god thing, not that it's any of your business, but I certainly wouldn't think someone was daft for believing it. That would be their opinion, and they are entitled to it, as much as you are entitled to yours.
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