Working rights

[MooseBreath]

The whole lazy coworker thing is incredible in the public sector. There are people on 30k+ who literally do one or two hours per week. Everyone knows it, but noone has the inclination to sack them because it makes no difference either way. Luckily in the private sector where there is a capitalist profit motive most of those people are found out and got rid of, leading to huge increases in efficiency. Imagine how frustrating it would be to live in a world where the pursuit of profit would be cast aside in favour of 'wage equality'. You'd have people who could be great innovators just sitting around doing nothing like your colleague. Would be such a terrible waste.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

There are a lot of people out there who are highly skilled at getting away with doing the bare minimum.

I worked with someone once and we were meant to be doing identical jobs. The difference between us what that when a job came in I got straight on it and got it finished as soon as I possibly could. Where as he would sit on the job and say there was no rush because he had nothing else to do, so he had plenty of of time to get it done.

Once another job came in he'd start on what he already had and look busy, where as I'd already done my work and got lumbered with the new jobs coming in as I looked like I had nothing to do.

I got fed up in the end and took a list of jobs and who did them to my bosses, and it turned out over an 18 month period I had done 80% of the jobs coming in to the company. Yet we got equal pay etc.

It's obviously not about him not wanting to help out, it's about having to do the work someone else has already been paid to do. For me there is a difference.

Thanks for putting in 1 sentence what I have been trying to say.

I firmly beleive that if we do this for them then we will have to do it time and time again. The filing for this month from this inept lazy twat is already piling up again as they just dump it into the filing room and make no attempt to do it. We have had an email from our manager asking us why we have not done the filing and wants our individual reasons but we want to answer it as a group.

For the record if they want to pay me the element of the wage they pay the lazy twat then I would have no problem doing it. However I do not see why we should do someone elses work for them to get paid for it and absolutely nothing is done about their ineptitude.

And for any that say that I should just do, in the last 6 months alone they have firstly reduced our overtime pay, then reduced it further, then banned it all together. I already have to do half an hours overtime every time I work just to cover the shifts that they have in place of which I am only allowed time off in lieu, On top of all of this I have taken on extra work to help fellow colleagues who are genuinely struggling. I feel that what they are now telling us (not asking us) to do is grossly unfair.

[Captain...]

Thanks for putting in 1 sentence what I have been trying to say.

I firmly beleive that if we do this for them then we will have to do it time and time again. The filing for this month from this inept lazy twat is already piling up again as they just dump it into the filing room and make no attempt to do it. We have had an email from our manager asking us why we have not done the filing and wants our individual reasons but we want to answer it as a group.

For the record if they want to pay me the element of the wage they pay the lazy twat then I would have no problem doing it. However I do not see why we should do someone elses work for them to get paid for it and absolutely nothing is done about their ineptitude.

Be very careful with what you say, the best response is that your job is to the answer the phones there has been no time between phone calls to do any filing.

As I said before, if you are not being asked to work any more hours you really don't have a leg to stand on, the only reason for saying no is that it will impact the job you are being paid to do.

The other option is agree to come in off shift and do it and get paid for it.

I understand your frustration, but it will be clear that the designated filer is not pulling his weight and discipline will be meted out, but sacking people is not easy, which is fortunate, because the action you are taking could be a sackable offence.

Is filing the other guy's sole responsibility?

[Guest]

The whole lazy coworker thing is incredible in the public sector. There are people on 30k+ who literally do one or two hours per week.

stop nagging at us Uni Profs, we studied hard to get into this predicament.

[1964FOX]

Us Foxtalk boys could of course go round and sort the lazy bastard out for you. Quick and easy solution.

Seriously though you must pursue the reason they are allowing him to get away with not doing his job, it's unreasonable for them to pass this work on to others and you would be in the right to refuse BUT ensure you have back up.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Us Foxtalk boys could of course go round and sort the lazy bastard out for you. Quick and easy solution.

Seriously though you must pursue the reason they are allowing him to get away with not doing his job, it's unreasonable for them to pass this work on to others and you would be in the right to refuse BUT ensure you have back up.

Unfortunately he is a she so the roughing up method would not be the way forward. The lazy twat has had countless complaints about her over the years yet she still stays at the company. This leads me to beleive she must have some family/close family friends high up.

From what people have said I think we probably have no option but to do it so I think I will speak to my manager and let him, know I am prepared to do it once more but I also intend to raise a grievance against the fact they are forcing us to do somebody elses job while they get paid for the privalage. I need to talk to the other lads first though so we can go in as a united front. Is this a sensible course of action?

[Guest]

If he's a she then the roughing up part could be easier and more fun.

[sphericalfox]

I manage a large store and to be honest I can ask my staff to do almost anything within the store. Almost everyone of them is happy to do so!

My question to you would be. If you have enough time in your working day to do this task. Then why would you refuse?

You're paid for the amount of time you spend in work, not the amount of work you do. If doing this extra task impacts on your current job then I could see there being some issues, otherwise I think your employers are within their rights.

I know how most large stores run so if you in box me who you work for I may be able to assist you a little better.

That sounds all a bit seedy...

[1964FOX]

Unfortunately he is a she so the roughing up method would not be the way forward. The lazy twat has had countless complaints about her over the years yet she still stays at the company. This leads me to beleive she must have some family/close family friends high up.

From what people have said I think we probably have no option but to do it so I think I will speak to my manager and let him, know I am prepared to do it once more but I also intend to raise a grievance against the fact they are forcing us to do somebody elses job while they get paid for the privalage. I need to talk to the other lads first though so we can go in as a united front. Is this a sensible course of action?

Yes always best to go as group as you will take all the flack if you do it alone. From what info you have given you are being treated unfairly but easy for me to say as I have quite an in depth knowledge of employment law to back me up. Go with what you are comfortable with.

[Staff]

what 1964fox says is spot on,a collective grievance would be started from a higher stage,normally 2, so would be seen as more serious.its an unreasonable request of work which could effect your own workload.is there any union representation at your work?

[Head Honcho]

That sounds all a bit seedy...

Never mix business with pleasure........well almost never!

[BoneDog]

Unfortunately he is a she so the roughing up method would not be the way forward. The lazy twat has had countless complaints about her over the years yet she still stays at the company. This leads me to believe she must have some family/close family friends high up.

From what people have said I think we probably have no option but to do it so I think I will speak to my manager and let him, know I am prepared to do it once more but I also intend to raise a grievance against the fact they are forcing us to do somebody elses job while they get paid for the privalage. I need to talk to the other lads first though so we can go in as a united front. Is this a sensible course of action?

It's definitely that!

Or she's boinking someone.

Those are usually the only two reasons.

[Daggers]

I really don't understand the problem here.

You are employed, you've been asked to carry out a reasonable request which isn't demeaning to your job role - you do it. If you don't like it the option isn't industrial action or union intermediaries, it's to look for another job.