ADK Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Well children are necessary for the future of the country. When i'm in old age i'm going to be relying on the talents of younger generations for goods and services. Therefore I should pay towards their education and welfare regardless of whether I have any children myself.
Guest Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 We do have on the spot fines for not picking up after your dog. Doesn't seem to work does it? What is this new technology you speak of? Micro chipping every dog. and the ability to immediatly know the owner and address of any dog found Do you do that yet?
Guest Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 I don't see why dog owners shouldn't pay a small annual licence, its not exactly a right to own a dog and why should the rest of us have to pay for them? You can't compare owning a dog with raising a child. Not quite sure i understand this post. Your reasoning was that it's not a right to own a dog and that the rest of you have to pay for them. Equally it's not a right to have a child and the rest of us pay for them. ergo same as a dog.
ADK Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Your reasoning was that it's not a right to own a dog and that the rest of you have to pay for them. Equally it's not a right to have a child and the rest of us pay for them. ergo same as a dog. I got what you meant just not nightguards post. But there is abit of a difference As i said before Children are necessary for the future of the country. When i'm in old age i'm going to be relying on the talents of younger generations for goods and services. Therefore I should pay towards their education and welfare regardless of whether I have any children myself. The same does not apply to dogs. Dogs are purely for their owners benefit. There are other things you have to pay for licences for.
Rincewind Posted 18 July 2012 Author Posted 18 July 2012 think I was saying the same thing. You said there ought to be a tax on children and I said there already was in other forms of taxation which as it been said we all pay. With dogs you could only tax the dogs that were known about.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Micro chipping every dog. and the ability to immediatly know the owner and address of any dog found Do you do that yet? And how do you enforce it? Responsible owners already micro chip their dogs. I didn't think lost dogs were the problem we were talking about. Fundamentally, unless we are willing to spend a stack of cash on having wardens working from 6am to 11pm every night in every park in the country I really dont see how licensing or chipping helps. And if you put licensing in place to pay for that then you are punishing those who are responsible to pay for those who aren't when the benefit goes to all users of parks and pavements everywhere. So ultimately whatever the solution, everyone should pay becuase everyone gets the benefits.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Author Posted 19 July 2012 http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2012/07/18/am-i-going-to-die-dad-schoolboy-is-bitten-12-times-in-dog-attack/?ncid=webmail6
Guest Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 And how do you enforce it? Responsible owners already micro chip their dogs. I didn't think lost dogs were the problem we were talking about. Fundamentally, unless we are willing to spend a stack of cash on having wardens working from 6am to 11pm every night in every park in the country I really dont see how licensing or chipping helps. And if you put licensing in place to pay for that then you are punishing those who are responsible to pay for those who aren't when the benefit goes to all users of parks and pavements everywhere. So ultimately whatever the solution, everyone should pay becuase everyone gets the benefits. Again this is another specious argument. We don't have cops on every street 24/7 but no-one would say that we therefore shouldn't have them because crime still exists. The more wardens we have the better the reduction will be. If you are fined because your dog craps and you leave it, you are less likely to leave it the next time. If this is recorded then reapet offenders can be banned from having dogs or whatever. In this case there would be no difference between lost dogs and dogs let out unattended. The dogs are scanned, the micro chip give the details of the owner and they can then be fined/prosecuted. Those who are responsible already have their dogs chipped - it won't cost them anymore. If they are unwilling to pay a little extra for a licence then I'd suggest that they would be better off without the dog - the vet bills during a dog's life time can be very very high (unless they're the type of owner who would have the dog put down then I'd suggest again that they and the dog would be better of not having a dog ). Policing whether it's dogs or humans costs money. The bulk of the cost for dogs should fall on dog owners.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Again this is another specious argument. We don't have cops on every street 24/7 but no-one would say that we therefore shouldn't have them because crime still exists. The more wardens we have the better the reduction will be. If you are fined because your dog craps and you leave it, you are less likely to leave it the next time. If this is recorded then reapet offenders can be banned from having dogs or whatever. In this case there would be no difference between lost dogs and dogs let out unattended. The dogs are scanned, the micro chip give the details of the owner and they can then be fined/prosecuted. Those who are responsible already have their dogs chipped - it won't cost them anymore. If they are unwilling to pay a little extra for a licence then I'd suggest that they would be better off without the dog - the vet bills during a dog's life time can be very very high (unless they're the type of owner who would have the dog put down then I'd suggest again that they and the dog would be better of not having a dog ). Policing whether it's dogs or humans costs money. The bulk of the cost for dogs should fall on dog owners. You could argue that for any type of expense though could you not? Dog owners spend a fortune on products for their pet which incur VAT, thus putting a pile of money into the exchequer. Not doubt that doesn't count for some reason. Nor the council tax they pay. Perhaps we should license footballs so we are recouping the cost of mowing the grass in the parks from people who use them. What about a bicycle tax? How much time and money are you willing to waste to purse this pointless excercice, becuase trust me the cost of administering the scheme would be a lot higher than the amount spent on wardens for a small amount. Now you seem to be talking about free roaming dogs being the problem, which I seriously doubt. How exactly does a dog warden force some walking a dog to reveal their identity or let their dog be scanned? Wouldn't work. So we are back to square one with no sensible solution.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Author Posted 19 July 2012 I suspect that if a lone warden came across a 20 stone man walking his German Shepard at midnight in New Parks all the bloke would get would be 'Nice evening for a walk isn't it?'
Head Honcho Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Dogs should require a licence whatever the breed really Owners should require a license...........whatever the breed!
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Author Posted 19 July 2012 Maybe a license could be incorporated in with insurance. Just a thought reasons for inpractability?
ADK Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 I can't be bothered pointing out the flaws in the same arguements over and over again.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 I got bitten by a Pit Bull about five or six years ago. I was delivering Burglary packs through people's letter boxes. I came to a very stiff one and had to push my hand through in order to deliver it. The next thing I know, a great set of teeth had the tips of three fingers in it's mouth. The weird thing was the total silence, There was no growling or pulling, just the jaws closing even more. I never shouted or tried to pull my hand away, and slowly it let go, and I whipped my hand out. Then it was back to the police car and a couple of stitches and a Tetanus jab. My finger were really bruised and the nails came off two of them. After that experience, I was very careful about putting things through doors. Turned out it was a Pit Bull, and was removed from the owners, to be destroyed I think. I have always felt bad about that, as all it was really doing was protecting the property. There was no warning sign on the door, which was a bit silly. I would never want to be a postman.
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