davieG Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 BBc Senior officers from overseas will be able to run police forces in England and Wales for the first time, under a government overhaul of recruitment. New starters will be able to join forces as superintendents and recruits can be fast-tracked to inspectors. More here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21254322
Guest Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 ooh Davie, you do like to set up the moosebreth's and Acooling's of this world don't you?
Raj Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 BBc Senior officers from overseas will be able to run police forces in England and Wales for the first time, under a government overhaul of recruitment. New starters will be able to join forces as superintendents and recruits can be fast-tracked to inspectors. More here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21254322 IF They start recruiting...which as i understand is only via specials and pcso's!!!
davieG Posted 30 January 2013 Author Posted 30 January 2013 As an Admin I feel I have a responsibility to keep the forum ticking over with interesting debatable subjects, the football forums seem to be self perpetuating but the General Chat I feel needs some serious subjects to bring balance to the welcome but absurd, deranged, kooky and cranky topics.
1964FOX Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 IF They start recruiting...which as i understand is only via specials and pcso's!!! Yes it's pretty much all through internal recruitment at present from specials and all support staff not just PCSO's.
Raj Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 Yes it's pretty much all through internal recruitment at present from specials and all support staff not just PCSO's. i know i was rejected twice as a Special!!!
MooseBreath Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 ooh Davie, you do like to set up the moosebreth's and Acooling's of this world don't you? Can this effeminate nonce not be banned? Literally nobody likes him. All he contributes are these pathetic snide remarks. Look at him trying to ruin this thread with some potentially offensive accusation at people who haven't even posted in the thread yet. Even when he does attempt to contribute something meaningful he comes across so thick that its depressing. The forum will be better off with him gone.
1964FOX Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 i know i was rejected twice as a Special!!! Sorry to hear that but seems to be the preferred method at present.
Jon the Hat Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 Seems like a reasonable plan to allow people from the military, security services etc to be able to apply at more senior levels. Also why not allow people to transfer in from forces in the US, Australia, New Zealand where they have pretty similar police services in many ways.
Parafox Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 Can this effeminate nonce not be banned? Literally nobody likes him. All he contributes are these pathetic snide remarks. Look at him trying to ruin this thread with some potentially offensive accusation at people who haven't even posted in the thread yet. Even when he does attempt to contribute something meaningful he comes across so thick that its depressing. The forum will be better off with him gone. And by responding like this you fall into the same category, my friend
MooseBreath Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 And by responding like this you fall into the same category, my friend Unprovoked vs provoked. Massive difference.
Vardinhio Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 As a SC one day hoping to join myself as a Reg I'm not sure about this. The whole beauty of Policing in the UK is that people in the higher ranks understand what the job is about because they have done it. If you start filling higher positions with people who don't have this experience not only will it cause resentment in the Force but will also make it more difficult for PCs to effectively carry out their duties as the paperwork mountain increases. Also, as I work with Project Manager's from the Army, Navy etc day in day out I can safely say that just because they've reached Senior positions in the MoD does not mean they would be at all suited to such a job where paperwork, recording etc is so important.
Parafox Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 We've recruited senior managers from a variety of sources in the past, including military, industry and commerce. They may be highly educated but, no matter how much dry research they might do about the service, they have ABSOLUTELY no idea of the realities of the job. And I mean NONE WHATSOEVER. Most, if not all have moved on at some point. The only ones who stick around are middle managers who have come up throught the ranks. And as for those from a military background, their man-management skills are zip. Managing a troop or platoon or whatever, in the military is not the same as managing non-militarised people.
davieG Posted 30 January 2013 Author Posted 30 January 2013 We've recruited senior managers from a variety of sources in the past, including military, industry and commerce. They may be highly educated but, no matter how much dry research they might do about the service, they have ABSOLUTELY no idea of the realities of the job. And I mean NONE WHATSOEVER. Most, if not all have moved on at some point. The only ones who stick around are middle managers who have come up throught the ranks. And as for those from a military background, their man-management skills are zip. Managing a troop or platoon or whatever, in the military is not the same as managing non-militarised people. This applies to many businesses especially those that 'specialise' in recruiting graduates directly into high level sometimes specialised jobs. Plenty of company's boards are awash with people that have little and sometimes zero knowledge of the industry they're in.
Jon the Hat Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 On the other hand, there is value in fresh ideas and the sometimes stupid questions people from the outside ask. All organisations should be subject to that sort of scrutiny.
Parafox Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 On the other hand, there is value in fresh ideas and the sometimes stupid questions people from the outside ask. All organisations should be subject to that sort of scrutiny. Maybe so, but they should make up a kind of think-tank and not be in positions of autonomous power. I know you will argue that company boardrooms are a kind of think-tank but in cases like the police service the senior managers have overall control and make decisions that aren't based on best previous experiences of the organisation.
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2013 Posted 30 January 2013 Maybe so, but they should make up a kind of think-tank and not be in positions of autonomous power. I know you will argue that company boardrooms are a kind of think-tank but in cases like the police service the senior managers have overall control and make decisions that aren't based on best previous experiences of the organisation. You might be right on the second part as I have little knowledge of this subject. However the last thing we need in this country is more 'think-tanks'.
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