FFP and EPPP - the death of football?

[Dan]

I'd rather see a wage cap than a policy that will undeniably serve to reinforce the status quo. I just don't buy the argument that a wage cap would lead to a talent drain and even if it did does anybody actually care as long as the leagues are still competitive and entertaining?

This. It's not like the worlds top players are in the Premier League either. All of the genuine world class players are in La Liga.

[Dan]

It won't.

It will ensure ONLY ManUtd, Chelsea & ManCity can win the Premier League & nobody else will have the mobility to compete.

Nobody will be able to afford to compete... nobody will be able to get up there to have a chance of winning something which gives you the international fans to enable you to spend yet more money to be able challenge better.

The league is dead, it's worse than ever. The battle for 4th is the new championship and the actual championship doesn't matter any more... just like the FA Cup & League Cup don't matter.

Hell, even the Champions League barely matters.... That's all about the £50m bounty from qualifying for the knockout stage and that's what football has been reduced to - the knockout stage of the CL... or not. If you get there... you can afford to get there again, thus locking others out of the top 4

I meant another one. I'd rather Man Utd won the league than a club like say Everton should Everton get bought out by some sugar daddy from Dubai. Did people seriously enjoy Chelsea & Man City winning the league? I thought it was awful for football myself.

Think you are missing a few points with regard to EPPP

We are currently being assessed for bevel 1 so if things go according to play we will have as much power as Chelsea, Manure etc

If we remain at level 2 then yes we may lose some of our very best players for peanuts but how in practice will it all work - will a local lad really travel all the way to London for training and or games 3 times a week when they are still at school?

Lets say somehow all these kids do attend Chelsea's Academy then if they are getting the best coaching in the country isn't that what we want the best local lads to get?

Chelsea's academy would end up with hundreds of kids from all over the country and they simply can't sign all of them - therefore Chelsea do all the hard work and there are still plenty of top class "rejects" that will end up at places like LCFC

For the record I'm not a fan of EPPP but like most things if you look outside the box there are still some angles that we could exploit if we don't get Level 1 ourselves

So effectively, nothing would change other than the small clubs where the money actually means something would miss out.

Seriously the rule is a fvcking disgrace, it won't help England in the slightest and it'll make our lower leagues weaker. The only beneficiaries will be the top clubs who need it the least. Disgusting idea that represents everything wrong with the modern game.

The FFP is risky but logical and I agree with the reasoning behind it. The EPPP is an absolute joke.

[lutterworthfox]

The Elite Player Performance Program (EPPP) which was initiated by the EPL to create a hierarchy of football academies to free up the movement of young players and fix the transfer fees between them. It also designed to ensure Clubs put enough of their own income into developing young talent by investing in coaches etc.

All 72 league clubs have signed up to and It is not something any club can opt out of irrespective of what level of of Academy they end up with. Only the funding we get from the FA to carry out the program will differ dependant on the level they are assesed at.

Clubs are assessed initially and then on an on-going basis but if a club fails the assessment because they cannot demonstrate they have followed the guidelines then FA funding is withdrawn so it could create problems in the funding of academy's.

Its true that if LCFC get level 1 then we will be able to attract bright young talent from all over the country just Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. If we get level 2 then we are restricted where we can recruit from, but at an early age is a player really going to move or travel long distances to be taught football. The program they will be taught is the same at every league club so won't they stay local initially and then move on later?

EPPP is the first structured development program for a young footballer to follow. It will no doubt needs some tweeks in the early years but its focus is on skills and technics in the early years and aids a players development.

I for one am pleased to see we are now focusing on these skills in all leagues, I have seen many young players when my lad played Sunday League and County football picked up by club scouts because they were tall / big for their age or could run fast and the more skillful smaller players ignored.

If we want to complete against the likes of Spain then this program will help, it encourages skilful players and discourages the long hoof up field or in to touch as that's just giving the ball away. The funding is there for clubs to employ / train more coaches to teach these youngsters, if they dont use it then IMO they are foolish.

Sadly it will be a few years yet before we see any of the benefits of this program, even under 18's are deemed by coaches to be too set in their ways to adapt to this way of learning.

[MooseBreath]

I'm all for programmes which aim to develop a better standard of home-grown player but not at the expense of the integrity of the entire domestic competition. How does this promote investment in academy football for the majority of clubs who are guaranteed to lose any good player they have for a worthless nominal fee? It seems logical to me that this will lead to the existence of four or five 'super academies' housed in the elite clubs and every other club will just scrap their academy altogether. The game will then be reduced to who can form best alliances and who can get the best deals for players from the elite. Anyone threatening their way of life will simply have their access to good players removed.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Football as I knew it died with the creation the Premier League.

This

[Dan]

The Elite Player Performance Program (EPPP) which was initiated by the EPL to create a hierarchy of football academies to free up the movement of young players and fix the transfer fees between them. It also designed to ensure Clubs put enough of their own income into developing young talent by investing in coaches etc.

All 72 league clubs have signed up to and It is not something any club can opt out of irrespective of what level of of Academy they end up with. Only the funding we get from the FA to carry out the program will differ dependant on the level they are assesed at.

Clubs are assessed initially and then on an on-going basis but if a club fails the assessment because they cannot demonstrate they have followed the guidelines then FA funding is withdrawn so it could create problems in the funding of academy's.

Its true that if LCFC get level 1 then we will be able to attract bright young talent from all over the country just Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. If we get level 2 then we are restricted where we can recruit from, but at an early age is a player really going to move or travel long distances to be taught football. The program they will be taught is the same at every league club so won't they stay local initially and then move on later?

EPPP is the first structured development program for a young footballer to follow. It will no doubt needs some tweeks in the early years but its focus is on skills and technics in the early years and aids a players development.

I for one am pleased to see we are now focusing on these skills in all leagues, I have seen many young players when my lad played Sunday League and County football picked up by club scouts because they were tall / big for their age or could run fast and the more skillful smaller players ignored.

If we want to complete against the likes of Spain then this program will help, it encourages skilful players and discourages the long hoof up field or in to touch as that's just giving the ball away. The funding is there for clubs to employ / train more coaches to teach these youngsters, if they dont use it then IMO they are foolish.

Sadly it will be a few years yet before we see any of the benefits of this program, even under 18's are deemed by coaches to be too set in their ways to adapt to this way of learning.

I fail to believe for one second that all 72 clubs voted for rather than against, and if they did - I'd do a serious investigation if I was the high court, because I'm sorry that's surely corruption, why on earth would a club practically agree to write off its own academy?

No offence but literally this whole post is utter nonsense, absolute utter nonsense. England's problem is that youngsters are coached wrong, they're taught win at all costs football from grass roots level rather than developing their game and bringing in the competitive side from an age where it matters, the standard of youngsters will not improve at all - it'll stop more getting game time as the likes of Chelsea/Man City/Man Utd will inevitably go and buy about 15 a season and probably end up using a couple. It won't improve the standard of our youngsters - it'll just stop the rare decent ones (lets be honest) going for a fee that's any use to the club who produced them.

It's a disgrace. Whatever the fvck next.

[Chrysalis]

Surely if this were the case then no team below 5th in their league would have agreed to it?

we dont know what threat was done behind closed doors, eg liverpool and co may have said if you say no say goodbye to shared tv deals.

remember the EPL clubs threatened to remove funding to lower clubs to get them to vote for EPPP

The shocker was chelsea voting for it, and as it turns out they had the swing vote, if they went the other way as expected that EPL FFP wouldnt have passed.

The other selling point was that clubs with established EPL squads satisfied with avoiding relegation would like this rule, the budget they need to stay up should shrink with the ruling and probably gives them advantage over promoted clubs, however the price is they cant intrude on the big clubs.

[Foxes_Trust]

Chrysalis has hit the nail firmly on the head as to why "all" clubs backed it.

However as a result that does mean that a number of organisations within football now believe pressure needs to be applied to the Premier League, to share a greater slice of the new TV deal across football, an address as an example the parachute payments giving the relegated clubs too greater advantage over other clubs.

[Chrysalis]

Chrysalis has hit the nail firmly on the head as to why "all" clubs backed it.

However as a result that does mean that a number of organisations within football now believe pressure needs to be applied to the Premier League, to share a greater slice of the new TV deal across football, an address as an example the parachute payments giving the relegated clubs too greater advantage over other clubs.

Its certianly an argument for reducing the parachute payments because if their budgets go down then they dont need so much parachute money.

Sadly tho this is down to EPL clubs voting on it and I cant see it happening.