Katy Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 hereI take it back, he is ignorant and shy. scroll down a bit, and you`ll find his ignorance, and then he became shy as not to reply to me. maybe he thought he was wrong and didnt wana admit it. whatever, hes entitled to his opinion as far as im concerned, just wish he`d finish an adult discussion. 148524[/snapback] Ok im not getting involved in all that or kicking it back off again. I was referring to his moderatory skills of which I feel are good. He sits back and only gets involved where necessary and doesnt go round screaming 'I AM MOD PRAISE ME' Ill leave you to it Lush
davieG Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 Well thanks for your opinions of me Lush From 10/10 to ignorant in just a few posts, Wow! some fall from grace that is. Just to clarify I am but just a simple (take that how you want ) moderator who just happened to be around when that particular thread had died a natural death, any other moderator could easily have reopened it if they felt so inclined as they didn't I presume they were in accordance with my thoughts so maybe 10/10 was deserved, but only if I was the owner Well as for being ignorant and shy, well I can only assume you say that because I refused to continue in your little debate, ironic for someone who bleats on about free speech etc, I always thought that included the option of saying nothing, but hey if that makes me ignorant and shy I'll live with that and continue to be selective with what I say, when I say it and to whom I say it. By the way that's all I have to say on this particular subject, that is my perogative.
lush Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 I was referring to his moderatory skills of which I feel are good. He sits back and only gets involved where necessary and doesnt go round screaming 'I AM MOD PRAISE ME' Ill leave you to it Lush 148530[/snapback] `neccesarry`? `Poor Lush I'd like to think his heart is in the right place but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else.` If thats neccesarry, what the hells all the fuss about with this thread
lush Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 Well thanks for your opinions of me LushFrom 10/10 to ignorant in just a few posts, Wow! some fall from grace that is. Just to clarify I am but just a simple (take that how you want ) moderator who just happened to be around when that particular thread had died a natural death , any other moderator could easily have reopened it if they felt so inclined as they didn't I presume they were in accordance with my thoughts Well as for being ignorant and shy, well I can only assume you say that because I refused to continue in your little debate, ironic for someone who bleats on about free speech etc, I always thought that included the option of saying nothing, but hey if that makes me ignorant and shy I'll live with that and continue to be selective with what I say, when I say it and to whom I say it. By the way that's all I have to say on this particular subject, that is my perogative. 148540[/snapback] I thought it was YOUR website, which was what i gave 10/10 for explain how it died a `natural death`? like most people in society, they`ve been brainwashed (im expecting MASS anti-lush response for this statement ) into believing you `cannot` speak your mind and have a adult conversation about religion, something thats based upon something we cannot see hear touch feel or smell, how silly `we` are. Being shy isnt a bad thing, whatever gave you the impression i said that? and i didnt say you were ignorant for not replying (and your a moderater ) I admire your RIGHT to view your point whenever you like, just dont like it when you critisize me for mine, how about respecting ones opinion instead?
Babylon Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 Lots of good discussion has come from SOME of these posts though, i'm all for discussions like this as it beats "what's you favourite sauce" threads!! I did state a while back, that the number of threads of this sort that have popped up do make you suspicious some what of peoples intentions though. I happened to read the sun at work today (yes I know not the best reading material) but I thought that Richard Littlejohns column was very good today. If you get a chance take a look.
lush Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 I did state a while back, that the number of threads of this sort that have popped up do make you suspicious some what of peoples intentions though. 148550[/snapback] What and who makes you feel suspicious?
Babylon Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 What and who makes you feel suspicious? 148555[/snapback] You and the number of threads you make that are 95% if not always based around the same subject. IMO it comes across as though you are here to discuss islam etc only. I'm not saying you shouldn't as some have been full of valid points, but when that is all you seem to do people will wonder what your reasoning is. Probably why this thread was started. Have you ever even posted in the football forum?? You probably have but I can't think of one?
lush Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 You and the number of threads you make that are 95% if not always based around the same subject. IMO it comes across as though you are here to discuss islam etc only. I'm not saying you shouldn't as some have been full of valid points, but when that is all you seem to do people will wonder what your reasoning is. Probably why this thread was started. Have you ever even posted in the football forum?? You probably have but I can't think of one? 148560[/snapback] Click on my name and you`ll find out what threads ive created. Discussing Islam is the NUMBER ONE subject in britain, if not europe, if not the world TODAY. All ive done is ask questions that concern us, how is that wrong. When someone has said that banning islam is wrong, i dont tell them their racist or stupid or that they dont know what their talking about etc etc etc, no, im not that ignorant. what i have done is ask them WHY, and 99.9/100 they give a reply that i dont agree with, thats just the nature of this website. People have been surpressed since this thread, because they would normally reply to the `extreme` islamists thread that i have produced. Amazingly, all that thread is about, is the company that we all subscribe to, the BBC, and their interviews. I dont see anyone critisising them, do you?
davieG Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 I thought it was YOUR website, which was what i gave 10/10 for explain how it died a `natural death`? like most people in society, they`ve been brainwashed (im expecting MASS anti-lush response for this statement ) into believing you `cannot` speak your mind and have a adult conversation about religion, something thats based upon something we cannot see hear touch feel or smell, how silly `we` are. Being shy isnt a bad thing, whatever gave you the impression i said that? and i didnt say you were ignorant for not replying (and your a moderater ) I admire your RIGHT to view your point whenever you like, just dont like it when you critisize me for mine, how about respecting ones opinion instead? 148544[/snapback] Well I'll give you one thing you make it very hard not to reply to you. On your first point re 10/10 I accept fully your explaination, obviously my misinterpretation - no problem. Re natural death, in my opinion it was going nowhere and making very little progress, plus there was an element of name calling drifting in, a sure sign that the actual subject matter was near exhaustion and as I said no one seems to have reopened it so I couldn't have been too wrong. I don't see the relevance of your next sentence (brainwashing etc) in our discussion as I'd already explained the reason for closing that topic. Why do I think you said shy well maybe this had something to do with it. Hes very shy or ignorant, but i take your opinion on board. or I take it back, he is ignorant and shy Both extracted from your discussion of me with Katassi Why did you say I was ignorant? Finally if you think critising an opinion = no respect then that's your problem not mine, however if you don't like receiving criticism first of all why bother posting and secondly don't be so controversial if you don't like your feelings being hurt.
lush Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 Re natural death, in my opinion it was going nowhere and making very little progress, plus there was an element of name calling drifting in, a sure sign that the actual subject matter was near exhaustion and as I said no one seems to have reopened it so I couldn't have been too wrong.I don't see the relevance of your next sentence (brainwashing etc) in our discussion as I'd already explained the reason for closing that topic. Why did you say I was ignorant? Finally if you think critising an opinion = no respect then that's your problem not mine, however if you don't like receiving criticism first of all why bother posting and secondly don't be so controversial if you don't like your feelings being hurt. 148570[/snapback] It may well have been going nowhere, i accept that, just dont feel its worth strangling, someone might bring it to life??? Im NOT saying you are, but could you honestly say I was name calling? Maybe those that were doing that, had an agenda to disrupt what was seen by many as an important and adult debate? (brainwashing) In society today, were told by the pc brigade that your `bad` if you question religion. This thread has attacked exactly that, and hence no one replies to a religious based thread `extreme` islamists. Obviously people dont wana appear to look `bad`, so they do as there told (the brainwashed). As you know, i couldnt give a flying fcuk what they think, unless they made ANY sense. I ask people reading this, to do what YOU feel is right, and NOT what your political masters and their anti-free speech pc brigade expect. we are human beings, not robot servants. You was ignorant because you said `Poor Lush I'd like to think his heart is in the right place but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else.` OR, explain what you meant, if you wernt being horrible? Glad you said that about critisism. I critisized islam, and im called this that n the other. Either its ok to critisize or its not, which is it? Think i`ll continue to be `contraversial`.
Hullfox Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 Is it just me or has Lush taken us down the same path again? Personally me and Davieg differ on many things but he is far from ignorant. He has a knack of making you examine your position on things, thats proper discussion. As for the majority of people being brainwashed, what on earth do you base that on? My life has brought me into contact with many of thousands of people, none of whom had been brainwashed by anybody. I dont disrespect your views because I disagree with them, I disrespect them because in the main they have been ill thought out, badly presented and dare I say, painfully isolated.
davieG Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 It may well have been going nowhere, i accept that, just dont feel its worth strangling, someone might bring it to life???I didn't strangle the subject I closed this particular topic, people were free to start up a variation of it although I personally would have preferred a different twist. Im NOT saying you are, but could you honestly say I was name calling? Maybe those that were doing that, had an agenda to disrupt what was seen by many as an important and adult debate? I wasn't implying that you were name calling just that it was creeping in. (brainwashing) In society today, were told by the pc brigade that your `bad` if you question religion. This thread has attacked exactly that, and hence no one replies to a religious based thread `extreme` islamists. Obviously people dont wana appear to look `bad`, so they do as there told (the brainwashed). As you know, i couldnt give a flying fcuk what they think, unless they made ANY sense. I ask people reading this, to do what YOU feel is right, and NOT what your political masters and their anti-free speech pc brigade expect. we are human beings, not robot servants. You was ignorant because you said `Poor Lush I'd like to think his heart is in the right place but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else.` OR, explain what you meant, if you wernt being horrible? Well you can call it horrible if you like and yes it was a critisism of your idea which I thought was at best naive and at worse ludicrous and still do - but I don't see how critisising your idea makes me ignorant - It's my opinion and surely you would accept I'm free to give that. Glad you said that about critisism. I critisized islam, and im called this that n the other. Either its ok to critisize or its not, which is it? Where have I ever stated in that or this topic that it's not right to critisise peoples ideas, I believe you called me ignorant for critisisng you. Think i`ll continue to be `contraversial`. Glad to hear it 148581[/snapback]
lush Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 I didn't strangle the subject I closed this particular topicI wasn't implying that you were name calling just that it was creeping in. Well you can call it horrible if you like but I don't see how critisising your idea makes me ignorant 148597[/snapback] Closed, strangled, same thing init? Are you trying to wind me up? I never said you were implying. Do you actually read what is said mate? Im NOT saying you are, but could you honestly say I was name calling? Wouldnt you call it horrible? Do you not understand how, `Poor Lush I'd like to think his heart is in the right place but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else.` is an ignorant statement? What do you mean by `his brain is somewhere else`? You made a mistake, admit it and we can move on.
SilverFox Posted 2 August 2005 Posted 2 August 2005 I am a firm believer in absolute freedom of speech and I fail to see how that could ever be a bad thing. 146463[/snapback] I do not condone absolute freedom of speech. In fact I think in some cases it can be a very bad thing Sven! For example, if absolute freedom of speech were allowed then hate filled people would be allowed to insight violence, spread racial hatred, and even, as we we have seen and continue to see, fabricate the truth to further extremist views that are harmful to society. Absolute freedom of speech would give fanatical groups the green light to spread their dogma, and impose their intolerance on society. It also allows 'political groups ' like the BNP an open forum to preach their blatant racial/racist perspectives. I think I understand where you are coming from, however absolute freedom of speech can be a dangerous thing in the hands of dangerous people. This is a pretty interesting debate though! A million and one arguments could counter the one I put before you, however, it seems to me that absolute freedom to say anything you like can be dangerous (as can clearly be seen in recent world events).
lush Posted 3 August 2005 Posted 3 August 2005 however absolute freedom of speech can be a dangerous thing in the hands of dangerous people. 148712[/snapback] As long as those dangerous people tell the truth, theres no problem.
SilverFox Posted 3 August 2005 Posted 3 August 2005 As long as those dangerous people tell the truth, theres no problem. 148719[/snapback] The trouble is that dangerous people seldom do! History has proven that people will twist the truth to suit the message they are trying to convey. Hitler told the people of Germany that the reason they were not prosperous was because they had been betrayed by Jews! Stalin was also no stranger to these tactics, and was a deeply paranoid despot with a flair for bending the truth. And notably concocted a series of trials in order to knock off his opposition. Finally we can see in todays world that this continues, as you have radical clericks preaching violence and intolerance as a path to eternal paridise. As I said, ABSOLUTE freedom of speech can be dangerous! The truth is a different matter, but who ever tells that!?!? The tabloids are a prime example of this!
lush Posted 3 August 2005 Posted 3 August 2005 The trouble is that dangerous people seldom do!History has proven that people will twist the truth to suit the message they are trying to convey. Finally we can see in todays world that this continues, as you have radical clericks preaching violence and intolerance as a path to eternal paridise. As I said, ABSOLUTE freedom of speech can be dangerous! The truth is a different matter, but who ever tells that!?!? The tabloids are a prime example of this! 148761[/snapback] Yes i know what you mean, blair is forever telling lies, and not just small ones, GREAT BIG WHOPPERS! Very true, blair and New Labour have been twisting the truth for too long and betrayed their employees, the brainwashed public cant see through them. But what is the answer to these violent and intolerant clericks? Maybe we could disect the islam in the islamic community and rid this evil once and forall? No freedom of speech can be dangerous!! Yes, once again i see myself agreeing with you, the media only say whats good enough for their bank balance. The media have little if not no morales at all.
Ultra Posted 4 August 2005 Author Posted 4 August 2005 But what is the answer to these violent and intolerant clericks? Maybe we could disect the islam in the islamic community and rid this evil once and forall? I think the Islamic community are quite capable of dealing with their extremist elements themselves. In much the same way, we FOXES will monitor and deal with hate speech within our community, whenever and wherever it appears.
lush Posted 5 August 2005 Posted 5 August 2005 I think the Islamic community are quite capable of dealing with their extremist elements themselves. 150096[/snapback] When?
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