The Good News thread, local jobs, economy etc

[Rincewind]

http://welfarewrites.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/a-simple-template-letter-to-kill-the-bedroom-tax/

[Guest MattP]

http://welfarewrites.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/a-simple-template-letter-to-kill-the-bedroom-tax/

 

"welfare rites"

[absolutelegend]

"welfare rites"

 

If only the creators of that site would spend as much effort looking for work, rather than writing about ways to avoid it.

[Guest MattP]

If only the creators of that site would spend as much effort looking for work, rather than writing about ways to avoid it.

 

 

It says a lot about the way society is going, welfare is actually being classed as a right now among a growing number of people, along with civil rights, human rights and gay rights etc.

 

I thnk we'll see a time where people are marching for the right to have a lifestyle funded by a givernment despite the intention of contributing nothing. Key times ahead to make sure this doesn't happen.

[Rincewind]

If only the creators of that site would spend as much effort looking for work, rather than writing about ways to avoid it.

What makes you think they are unemployed just because they claim benefits?

There are many people in jobs campaigning for the vulnerable. Some may even be Tories.

 

Put east midlands on now

Edited 20 February 2014 by Rincewind

[absolutelegend]

What makes you think they are unemployed just because they claim benefits?

There are many people in jobs campaigning for the vulnerable. Some may even be Tories.

 

How does having more bedrooms than you need make you vulnerable?

 

it sounds to me as they are campaigning for self gain, to get as much out of the system as they can without putting anything in.

[Rincewind]

If a room is not  used as a bedroom then it is not spare.

Edited 20 February 2014 by Rincewind

[Guest MattP]

How does having more bedrooms than you need make you vulnerable?

 

it sounds to me as they are campaigning for self gain, to get as much out of the system as they can without putting anything in.

 

Just listen to this nonsense on the TV now.

 

"My son comes home from Uni twice a year to stay"

 

They actually think the taxpayer should pay for a room all year round as another adult is going to pop in and stay for 4-5 weeks. Two kids at Uni living away? Well here's a 4 bedroom house courtesy of the taxpayer, you clearly need it.

 

Baffling stuff. How can anyone defend this?

[Zingari]

"welfare rites"

I'm pretty sure it's intentional and not a spelling mistake .

It's a homophone isn't it ?

They are using the normal term welfare rights , but substituting "writes" because it a template letter writing service.

Lots of businesses etc do similar things,  eg hairdressers are sometimes called things like "curl up and dye"  , or a fish and chip shop might be called "john's plaice" etc etc 

[Guest MattP]

I'm not laughing at the spelling.

[absolutelegend]

If a room is not  used as a bedroom then it is not spare.

 

sorry, i can't take you seriously.

[Zingari]

If only the creators of that site would spend as much effort looking for work, rather than writing about ways to avoid it.

Maybe there's an element of truth in that , but  politicians could spend more time and effort looking for real solutions to the problems the country is facing and not kicking the weakest and most vulnerable especially as they don't actually seem to be saving anything more than peanuts once the administration costs ATOS and Capita are counted.  . 

[MooseBreath]

but politicians could spend more time and effort looking for real solutions to the problems the country is facing

How is disincentivising hand out culture not a real solution to the problem of welfare dependency?

[ADK]

What we need is to focus on bridging the skills gap between the unemployed and the jobs that are available.

[Zingari]

How is disincentivising hand out culture not a real solution to the problem of welfare dependency?

its only a welfare dependency problem when the tories are in power , when labour are in power it's a shite government not providing the jobs  

[Guest MattP]

its only a welfare dependency problem when the tories are in power , when labour are in power it's a shite government not providing the jobs  

 

Not really.

 

When Labour are in power you just dont hear from them as Labour love keeping them there, pay them what they want and watch the votes roll in.

What we need is to focus on bridging the skills gap between the unemployed and the jobs that are available.

 

Yep.

 

No chance of that though when some dont want to work and we actually have politicians prepared to let them rot for their own benefit.

Edited 20 February 2014 by MattP

[absolutelegend]

the real problem is that there are a large number of people who are fit to work, but have no intention of doing so as they can rely of handouts from the taxpayer.  any effort to address this by any government should be applauded.

Edited 20 February 2014 by absolutelegend

[Zingari]

Not really.

 

When Labour are in power you just dont hear from them as Labour love keeping them there, pay them what they want and watch the votes roll in.

 

Yep.

 

No chance of that though when some dont want to work and we actually have politicians prepared to let them rot for their own benefit.

when the tories are the opposition , the lack of jobs and unemployment  is due to the government policies

 

when they're in power it's because they are layabouts 

Edited 20 February 2014 by Zingari

[MooseBreath]

when the tories are the opposition , the lack of jobs is due to the government

when they're in power it's because they are layabouts

More people are in work than ever before though. Welfare dependency is decreasing. You're trying to side step the issue by talking about politics rather than the issue itself. Which is a bit hypocritical given you're accusing the government of not tackling the issue.

[Guest MattP]

when the tories are the opposition , the lack of jobs and unemployment  is due to the government policies

 

when they're in power it's because they are layabouts 

 

Not really, look at the job market now, anyone can get a position. If you arent working now.

 

Those ads came out after Gordon Brown had been in a while, private sector jobs being crushed while he kept creating more in the public sector to try and buy more votes.

[Zingari]

Not really, look at the job market now, anyone can get a position. If you arent working now.

 

Those ads came out after Gordon Brown had been in a while, private sector jobs being crushed while he kept creating more in the public sector to try and buy more votes.

maybe the people i know who can't , and haven't been able to get jobs for months must be all layabouts then ,

it's funny because its an affliction they've only just acquired .

[Zingari]

More people are in work than ever before though. Welfare dependency is decreasing. You're trying to side step the issue by talking about politics rather than the issue itself. Which is a bit hypocritical given you're accusing the government of not tackling the issue.

no i'm not , i'm just trying to point out how the unemployed are depicted . victims when in opposition . problem when in power  

[Guest MattP]

maybe the people i know who can't , and haven't been able to get jobs for months must be all layabouts then ,

it's funny because its an affliction they've only just acquired .

 

Come on lets not go down the Rincewind "A person I know has AIDS/cant work because hes got a bad back/his shed has ben hit by bedroom tax/his pet snail needs looking after side of debate.

 

The figures are all there, more people are working than ever, the agencies are as busy as ever, even the Co-op here has adverts all over the walls.

[Rincewind]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jul/31/atos-fitness-work-test-greg-wood

[Guest MattP]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jul/31/atos-fitness-work-test-greg-wood

 

Well if one person says its wrong the other thousands of doctors doing it must have their opinion immediately discounted.