FA set to reject Hull City's name change

[Haydos]

ruplistiger, Finnegan is arguing just to be contrarian here.

"Principles?" Whatever happened to just acting like an adult? What kind of grown man even has a second to check off boxes in such a childish, petty poll? I can't speak for Hull fans, but it looks to me that it's not that they don't care, but rather they're just sick and tired of Allam acting like a whiny little bitch.

 

They're two seperate issues. Is anyone denying he's a knob? The poll is a dick move but Finners makes a good point, they can't have their cake and eat it.

[Jordan]

They're two seperate issues. Is anyone denying he's a knob? The poll is a dick move but Finners makes a good point, they can't have their cake and eat it.

What is this have their cake and eat it nonsense? You mean, Hull fans enjoying the benefits of Allam's ownership while still having their team name be "Hull City AFC?" Like, I don't know, what Hull fans had before all this bullshit?

Hull fans should be upset that their local ownership group is threatening to **** off because of the City/Tigers fiasco. Benevolent local ownership and respect for history are both good things, they are not mutually exclusive, and there is no problem with Hull fans wanting both.

[Finnegan]

ruplistiger, Finnegan is arguing just to be contrarian here.

"Principles?" Whatever happened to just acting like an adult? What kind of grown man even has a second to check off boxes in such a childish, petty poll? I can't speak for Hull fans, but it looks to me that it's not that they don't care, but rather they're just sick and tired of Allam acting like a whiny little bitch.

A whiny little bitch they're consistently paying in to the pockets of?

Arguing to be contrary? How about you actually read my post and explain which part of it is distinctly unfair?

I'm not supporting Assam or what is a fairly poor idea. But Hull have been given the option of democracy and failed the test (I'm sorry but they're scared they won't get tickets, isn't that just proving my point?) - that's after failing the ultimate test of being able to vote with their feet and wallets.

Hull's fans have my sympathy, as do Cardiff's, but the latter have been widely criticised for their perceived tolerance of the colour red while the majority seem to be supportive and understanding of Hull.

I'm merely pointing out they're both as "bad" (if that's your position) as each other.

Assam owes Hull and their supporters nothing.

[Haydos]

What is this have their cake and eat it nonsense? You mean, Hull fans enjoying the benefits of Allam's ownership while still having their team name be "Hull City AFC?" Like, I don't know, what Hull fans had before all this bullshit?

Hull fans should be upset that their local ownership group is threatening to **** off because of the City/Tigers fiasco. Benevolent local ownership and respect for history are both good things, they are not mutually exclusive, and there is no problem with Hull fans wanting both.

 

He's decided this is what he wants and he's told them the situation. I do have a bit of sympathy but if we take what he has said as truth then they have two options: Put up with him and let him change the name or get pissy and have him sell up.

 

It's a pretty straightforward situation.

[Guest MattP]

He isn't going to walk away, it's one of the biggest bluffs I have ever seen. The fact he wrote it on the ballot shows he wouldn't, if you have to resort to that it's a last desperate attempt to change it and try and win some support.

 

If he is going to sell up then he's an idiot for letting everyone potential buyer in the World he effectively has a Premier League club up for sale with all the hard work done and he's desperate to sell. What an appalling bargaining positioning to put yourself in.

 

When you see the decisions Tan, Allam, Ashley etc make you really do wonder how the hell they managed to run successful businesses in the first place.

[Finnegan]

He probably won't sell up but even if he just drastically curbs investment and milks them for profit in a sulk, they'll suffer.

[Guest MattP]

He probably won't sell up but even if he just drastically curbs investment and milks them for profit in a sulk, they'll suffer.

 

If he really wanted to threaten them that's what he should have said.

 

If the fans go against me I'll put no more investment into the playing staff, not a single penny and I'll trouser every single thing to comes into the club and sent it back to Egypt.

 

But he won't; despite his protestations he is just like virtually every other owner in this day and age, it's his toy and the base of his ego, he wants them in the Premier League and he wants them to do well in it, he wants to play in Europe and sit at Wembley and lift an FA Cup or something.

 

He's going nowhere and he knows it.

[Finnegan]

Quite possibly but if that's the case then the fans have even more power. Boycott fully for a few games, stop buying merchandise and programmes, vote en masse against the change.

But they won't because the vast majority don't feel strongly enough as long as they get to watch prem football.

[Guest MattP]

Quite possibly but if that's the case then the fans have even more power. Boycott fully for a few games, stop buying merchandise and programmes, vote en masse against the change.

But they won't because the vast majority don't feel strongly enough as long as they get to watch prem football.

 

Yep, unfortuntely we can only dream of that sort of behaviour from British fans.

[Haydos]

He isn't going to walk away, it's one of the biggest bluffs I have ever seen. The fact he wrote it on the ballot shows he wouldn't, if you have to resort to that it's a last desperate attempt to change it and try and win some support.

 

If he is going to sell up then he's an idiot for letting everyone potential buyer in the World he effectively has a Premier League club up for sale with all the hard work done and he's desperate to sell. What an appalling bargaining positioning to put yourself in.

 

When you see the decisions Tan, Allam, Ashley etc make you really do wonder how the hell they managed to run successful businesses in the first place.

 

Nobody said he was a smart bloke either

[Haydos]

Yep, unfortuntely we can only dream of that sort of behaviour from British fans.

 

Would that be the case anywhere? You'd have people boycotting wherever but you'll also have a majority of casuals. Any examples of anything like this that has happened successfully?

[Finnegan]

Yep, unfortuntely we can only dream of that sort of behaviour from British fans.

It's not just our football fans that are largely apathetic, look at the volume of young people that don't vote and almost proudly consider themselves apolitical.

I hate that Lav has been so easily brainwashed by UKIP propaganda (shamelessly fishing) but I celebrate his interest in politics because he's a rare breed.

[Dan]

I've been thinking myself it's about time I get into politics. I'm 20 now so I'm about an age where I should check regularly what's actually happening.

 

Agree that it's very British (English in-particular) to be apathetic. No idea what causes it.

[Guest MattP]

Would that be the case anywhere? You'd have people boycotting wherever but you'll also have a majority of casuals. Any examples of anything like this that has happened successfully?

 

Not on a PC but off the top of my head Dortmund fans en masse refusing to go to Mainz (I think) when they tried to charge them obscene prices, away end was empty, resulted in normal prices season after.

 

This year;' derby between Sampdoria and Genoa, moved to Monday night from an original move of Sunday morning after all the fans groups threatened to boycott.

[Guest MattP]

It's not just our football fans that are largely apathetic, look at the volume of young people that don't vote and almost proudly consider themselves apolitical.

I hate that Lav has been so easily brainwashed by UKIP propaganda (shamelessly fishing) but I celebrate his interest in politics because he's a rare breed.

 

Isn't Lav half Greek/has Greek family? I'm sure what the EU has done to his nations people is far more of an influence on his Eurosceptic views than UKIP ever has been.

I've been thinking myself it's about time I get into politics. I'm 20 now so I'm about an age where I should check regularly what's actually happening.

 

Agree that it's very British (English in-particular) to be apathetic. No idea what causes it.

 

The politicians did it deliberately.

 

An apathetic nation is far easier to steal from, take to war and sign up to agreements it's people would never vote for, fortunately some of it seems to be changing.

[Dan]

Not on a PC but off the top of my head Dortmund fans en masse refusing to go to Mainz (I think) when they tried to charge them obscene prices, away end was empty, resulted in normal prices season after.

 

This year;' derby between Sampdoria and Genoa, moved to Monday night from an original move of Sunday morning after all the fans groups threatened to boycott.

 

Schalke it was which is even more remarkable really considering it's their big derby - and Schalke charged them 20 Euros

 

Makes a mockery of England. It really does.

[Guest MattP]

Schalke it was which is even more remarkable really considering it's their big derby - and Schalke charged them 20 Euros

 

Makes a mockery of England. It really does.

 

Good shout of course it was.

 

Here's the Genoa/Sampdoria story.

 

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1699506/genoa-sampdoria-derby-moved-monday?cc=5739

[Dan]

Isn't Lav half Greek/has Greek family? I'm sure what the EU has done to his nations people is far more of an influence on his Eurosceptic views than UKIP ever has been.

 

The politicians did it deliberately.

 

An apathetic nation is far easier to steal from, take to war and sign up to agreements it's people would never vote for, fortunately some of it seems to be changing.

 

But what is it that makes us apathetic? I've never got my head around it.

[Corky]

But what is it that makes us apathetic? I've never got my head around it.

 

I would find out but I can't be bothered

[Dan]

I would find out but I can't be bothered

 

Reported.

 

If I can get MattP to do it for me

[Guest MattP]

But what is it that makes us apathetic? I've never got my head around it.

 

I wrote an essay about this a few years ago

 

A lot of the youth don't even know what a 'government' is I don't think now. Some bint was on the news the other week moaning about how the government was giving her less money and it soon became clear she didn't know what it was let alone how it got it's money, I can't even get into my head what they actually think it is.

 

So many factors you could be here all day for apathy, mainly I think I said, distrust, boredom, X-factor generation, stupidity, politcians aren't liked, all parties have come closer rather than be a clear choice, lack of passion in politics, young people dont tend to identify with parties anymore, politics isnt "cool", we don't teach politics in schools (although thats a good thing I'd imagine considering most teachers viewpoints)

 

I still have no idea how people can watch so much money be taken out of their pay packets by people they have never met and just treat it as something that happens without taking an interest it what it goes too.

 

That said I don't know if it's completely a bad thing, do you really want a load of teenage girls who know nothing about politics going out to vote for someone because David Beckham or Joey Essex told them too? (I once spoke to a girl who voted Lib Dem because she liked the bird logo on the paper, that persons vote is worth the same as Stephen Hawking's, democracy is awful sometimes)

 

If Einstein, Beckham and Essex were the only three people in a country, Einstein would be outvoted and Joey Essex would be Prime Minister.

 

Trying to back on thread maybe we are just an apathetic nation anyway, the turnout in this Hull election despite it being rigged still looks appalling, I'd have been moving heaven and earth to make sure my vote telling Allam to fcuk off was registered.

[Jordan]

The Hull name poll wasn't an election and it was hardly part of anyone's civic duty.

[ruisliptiger]

To be honest anyone slating the way Hull City fans have gone about this are overlooking one thing.

We won.

By getting involved in Allams petty slaging match we would have conceded the moral high ground. By walking away we would have forgone our right to have a voice. It wouldn't have hit him hard in the pocket as ticket sales only account for about 7% of our income in the Premier League. Merchandise sales account for even less. We stood tall, fought our corner, and made sure we put a coherent reasoned case forward to the FA.

Action led to this result. Not sitting at home and throwing insults at the telly.

I hope to got if ever a time like this comes at Leicester. There will be more fans who stand and fight than walk away. The results speak for themselves.

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[ruisliptiger]

As for the turnout for the poll. I explained some of the reasons for that earlier. It wasn't a democratic poll. Every obstactle was thrown at it to stop peoples votes counting. While the actively sought out and collated any Yes voters such as employee's and corporate sponsors. The latter of whom were given multiple votes. It wasn't like popping down to the local primary school with a slip that had been hand delivered to your door.

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[Kitchandro]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29460187

 

Assem Allam: Hull City owner prepared to stop spending

Hull City owner Assem Allam says he will not invest a penny more in the club unless he wins an appeal to the Football Association to change their name to Hull Tigers.

Allam, 75, believes a name change will improve the club's brand, helping it "to go global".

"That [the spending] stops now. It has to stop," Allam told BBC Sport.

"I won't pay out if I cannot create income. That is called 'throwing money at it'."