sphericalfox Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 Right, I've written an article on the aul blog about something that has been brewing even before Milan left us. I thought it would be interesting to see if there was any fellow Foxes that agree or disagree. I think it's more important than any signing we might make this January or make in the summer. It's a nice change of topic to the regular Mardy Fryatt topics, Sven leaving panics, and rumours from Mars threads. All I Want for Christmas! Your thoughts and feedback please.
Jimbo Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 You get about don't you pabs!!??? Just read your article on the 606, interesting reading, and something I personally hadn't given much thought to. We are without a chairman, and without a person who has knowledge of running a football club. Lets just hope that the new owners are more talk than they are bite when it comes to laying the pressure on the manager
sphericalfox Posted 18 December 2010 Author Posted 18 December 2010 You get about don't you pabs!!??? Just read your article on the 606, interesting reading, and something I personally hadn't given much thought to. We are without a chairman, and without a person who has knowledge of running a football club. Lets just hope that the new owners are more talk than they are bite when it comes to laying the pressure on the manager , it's a hard job trying to get everyone to read across all the forums. I don't want to leave anyone out. There are shites on 606 who get me modded, and I think this one is definitely worth thinking about. It will give Sven the space he needs to get on with his job, and an experienced and excellent professional guiding the club. A petition to get him in is needed methinks. Or at least letting our owners who we want.
Haydos Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 Good read and well thought out. I too had not really given this a thought and now you've brought this to light I think an appointment along the lines of David Dein would be a shrewd bit of business. I agree with the article as a whole but I'm doubtful of our attractiveness to Dein at the present time. I don't know what the situation is regarding his personal life and his short term plans but would be interested to know if anyone else did. It's like you stated though, this is a role which could prove to be very important if the Thais start getting a bit impatient and I think that someone with the knowledge and experience of Dein would be a sensible move sooner rather than later.
marbelladave Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 Thoughtful and interesting... For me the first part of the speculation is a gimme, a solid well grounded chaiman/chief executive is exactly what we need, For once the man does not have to be loaded, our funding (whatever it turns out to be, comes from elsewhere) so what we would be looking for would be someone to run the club in the best possible way, for the benefits of everyone concerned with LCFC. Balancing the aspirations of the owners, the demands (polite of course) from the manager with the realities of modern football is a big, complex job, a top quality person in that role would be of immense benefit. With MM (and hopefully Hoos) gone a great opportunity arises to drive the club forward and, most importantly, re-energise our club and our fanbase, all of which would make our transition to a genuine Premier League club not just possible but inevitable. All this is possible with the right man in charge, whether Dein would be interested in the project I do not know, but at the very least he is a fine yardstick against which other candidates can be measured.
sphericalfox Posted 18 December 2010 Author Posted 18 December 2010 Thoughtful and interesting... For me the first part of the speculation is a gimme, a solid well grounded chaiman/chief executive is exactly what we need, For once the man does not have to be loaded, our funding (whatever it turns out to be, comes from elsewhere) so what we would be looking for would be someone to run the club in the best possible way, for the benefits of everyone concerned with LCFC. Balancing the aspirations of the owners, the demands (polite of course) from the manager with the realities of modern football is a big, complex job, a top quality person in that role would be of immense benefit. With MM (and hopefully Hoos) gone a great opportunity arises to drive the club forward and, most importantly, re-energise our club and our fanbase, all of which would make our transition to a genuine Premier League club not just possible but inevitable. All this is possible with the right man in charge, whether Dein would be interested in the project I do not know, but at the very least he is a fine yardstick against which other candidates can be measured. I am open to suggestions if anyone can come up with someone should Dein not be available or interested.
Carter The Boss Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 Thats a brilliantly written blog, and accurate across the board I'd say. David Dein is exactly the type of guy we want at the club, but we have to be realistic given our current position. Arsenal are a club that we should be looking to replicate though, and like you said, if we do it right, the new chairman will be the 2nd biggest signing yet, and depending on when they come in, have a huge part to play in how the rest of our season looks. Sorry I've not said much else, but this weeks Soccerette has just picked up a golfball with her mouth without bending her knees!!
sphericalfox Posted 18 December 2010 Author Posted 18 December 2010 Thats a brilliantly written blog, and accurate across the board I'd say. David Dein is exactly the type of guy we want at the club, but we have to be realistic given our current position. Arsenal are a club that we should be looking to replicate though, and like you said, if we do it right, the new chairman will be the 2nd biggest signing yet, and depending on when they come in, have a huge part to play in how the rest of our season looks. Sorry I've not said much else, but this weeks Soccerette has just picked up a golfball with her mouth without bending her knees!! Thanks. There's plenty more on there should you fancy a bit of Saturday read. And I have another topical article coming soon.
marbelladave Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 I am open to suggestions if anyone can come up with someone should Dein not be available or interested. Never really took much interest in football club management at the chairman/chief exceutive level, people who run clubs well never caught the headlines until recent times. As I said it is a difficult job, Dein would be an absolute coup but there must be people who could do a similar job albight with a somewhat lower profile. However I freely admit that I really do not have much idea about alternatives, but I feel this could be a big opportunity to really move the club forward, an opportunity not to be missed.
sphericalfox Posted 18 December 2010 Author Posted 18 December 2010 Never really took much interest in football club management at the chairman/chief exceutive level, people who run clubs well never caught the headlines until recent times. As I said it is a difficult job, Dein would be an absolute coup but there must be people who could do a similar job albight with a somewhat lower profile. However I freely admit that I really do not have much idea about alternatives, but I feel this could be a big opportunity to really move the club forward, an opportunity not to be missed. Well, if I knew someone other than Dein, I'd have mentioned it in the article, what we need to avoid is the likes of Ken Bates, and Peter Ridsdale's and go for the cream of the crop.
deep blue Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 Well, if I knew someone other than Dein, I'd have mentioned it in the article, what we need to avoid is the likes of Ken Bates, and Peter Ridsdale's and go for the cream of the crop. Heard Ridsdale on 5live Weds evening. He sounds a marvellous man - if you believe everything he says! This is an innovative article for this forum. Amid all the current guessing about the standout player we'd like, nobody's given any thought along these lines. Great thinking. I know so little about the running of clubs at the highest level that I couldn't think of an alternative to suggest, never mind having any idea about their availability.
marbelladave Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 Well, if I knew someone other than Dein, I'd have mentioned it in the article, what we need to avoid is the likes of Ken Bates, and Peter Ridsdale's and go for the cream of the crop. Bate and Ridsdale, true nightmares. As always in the modern world it appears that profile is more important than ability, I very much hope we are sensible about this. I would assume that Sven knows Dein pretty well, at worst they should have a decent professional relationship from Sven's England days. Assuming Dein does not want the job then a bit of advice would not go amiss. As you say yourself, such people are not generally well known, I am convinced there are people who could do the job and do it well, but can we find them and will they be allowed to get on with the job?
sphericalfox Posted 18 December 2010 Author Posted 18 December 2010 Thanks to everyone for reading the article and the others on me old blog. Keep coming back! Those who've replied on here, I appreciate your support. It's a difficult one because there's not exactly a lot of information out there about Chairman calibre persons. I do think that Dein could be the type of person who we should be aiming for. Let's hope Sven has a say too, and he can convince to get someone in soon for the future of the club needs a helmsman with knowledge and experience who can keep manager and owner at arms length for each to play their role without distraction, as I have foreseen as the owners become more and more conformable, a confidence to tell Sven how to do his job, especially when it comes to players etc.
berksfox Posted 18 December 2010 Posted 18 December 2010 I think we have someone in place who knows how to run a football club, unless you know something that I don't about hoos leaving. Agree we need a decent Chairman but don't think in reality that he would have any significant influence over what happens at the club - that will always be down to the new owners. There are also plenty of reasons why Dein won't come to Leicester, that being just one of them.
sphericalfox Posted 19 December 2010 Author Posted 19 December 2010 I think we have someone in place who knows how to run a football club, unless you know something that I don't about hoos leaving. Agree we need a decent Chairman but don't think in reality that he would have any significant influence over what happens at the club - that will always be down to the new owners. There are also plenty of reasons why Dein won't come to Leicester, that being just one of them. Whilst it is nice to see a view that is against what I am proposing, I will politely disagree that we someone in place who knows how to run a football club. Hoos? Please enlighten me where Hoos has proven his Chairman experience and ran a club from Championship level on successfully to the Premiership and remained there? Because we either need a Chairman with that experience or better. You are suggesting that a Chairman would not make any significant difference to the club. I would argue that is a complete falsity. A chairman should be able to negotiate with other clubs Chairman's and managers about the release or discussion for transfers and loans, a vital addition to a club's pulling power and attractiveness. Are you suggesting Top & Co can achieve this primarily knowing nobody in this league or the Prem? Hoos does have contacts but in essence he is a over-glorified accountant. You may be underestimating the importance of having an influential and experienced Chairman at the helm.
Bryn Posted 19 December 2010 Posted 19 December 2010 Strange article to write, though not necessarily uninteresting. Dein is a good man and would be good for most football clubs, but I'm hoping he takes on responsibility at the FA.
sphericalfox Posted 19 December 2010 Author Posted 19 December 2010 Strange article to write, though not necessarily uninteresting. Dein is a good man and would be good for most football clubs, but I'm hoping he takes on responsibility at the FA. I'm interested to know why it's strange?
berksfox Posted 20 December 2010 Posted 20 December 2010 Not sure there is much difference between a Chairman and a Chief Exec in this context. Both will essentially carry out the demands of the owners. Hoos has run Fulham and Southampton in the past at Premier and Championship level. I would argue that a glorified accountant is just what you need to try and manage the decisions made by the owners and negotiate transfer fees and salary packages that are affordable for a club of our size. Perhaps I'm a bit negative but if you think someone like David Dein would be interested in coming to Leicester then you need your head examining.
sphericalfox Posted 21 December 2010 Author Posted 21 December 2010 Not sure there is much difference between a Chairman and a Chief Exec in this context. Both will essentially carry out the demands of the owners. Hoos has run Fulham and Southampton in the past at Premier and Championship level. I would argue that a glorified accountant is just what you need to try and manage the decisions made by the owners and negotiate transfer fees and salary packages that are affordable for a club of our size. Perhaps I'm a bit negative but if you think someone like David Dein would be interested in coming to Leicester then you need your head examining. I'm interested why you think someone of his calibre might not come to Leicester, is Sven's arrival old hat and not the most impossible signing Leicester have ever made? If this is possible why wouldn't bringing in Dein be out of the question. It's not as though I am saying lets sign Messi etc.
Bryn Posted 21 December 2010 Posted 21 December 2010 I'm interested to know why it's strange? Just in that its quite random, not a topic most people would have touched on.
sphericalfox Posted 21 December 2010 Author Posted 21 December 2010 Just in that its quite random, not a topic most people would have touched on. I've been told I'm 'not most people' before.
berksfox Posted 21 December 2010 Posted 21 December 2010 Sven has proved several times that he'll do anything for cash, see Notts County and Ivory Coast as perfect examples. David Dein is not a mercenary, is used to running one of the biggest clubs in the world and is about to be appointed Chairman of the FA. We have more chance of signing Beckham.
sphericalfox Posted 22 December 2010 Author Posted 22 December 2010 Sven has proved several times that he'll do anything for cash, see Notts County and Ivory Coast as perfect examples. David Dein is not a mercenary, is used to running one of the biggest clubs in the world and is about to be appointed Chairman of the FA. We have more chance of signing Beckham. , Sven's a mercenary. Well that is an amazing point of view you have there. I'm not sure what you are basing this on. But my understanding is that Sven was hoodwinked by potential investment. He wanted to build something from the ground up and create a legacy at Notts County. When that went tits up, and was completly out his control, he stayed on, and dismissed the money owed to him, so the club would not go to the wall. I'd say there's a man of integrity and dignity, but it depends on how you view it. In regard to Ivory Coast, I'm not sure what you are basing this on. He took over a team riddled with injuries to it's most prolific players just immediately to the World Cup, who either didn't play or were in no form to play. The rest of the squad are average players of no great distinction, and my understanding was that Sven was attempting again to try make great out of something average. In relation to Dein, specifically, I am using this man as a good example of what a great chairman can do, and address the importance of this position to an ambitious club. If Dein, is not available or remotely interested then we need someone of good calibre to do the job. I am not trying to delude myself to think we are of Arsenal's potential or standard, but if Dein didn't get the FA job, I hope he doesn't go on holiday and retire. English football needs a man like him within it. Just to keep the sanity with all.
sphericalfox Posted 22 December 2010 Author Posted 22 December 2010 Sven has proved several times that he'll do anything for cash, see Notts County and Ivory Coast as perfect examples. David Dein is not a mercenary, is used to running one of the biggest clubs in the world and is about to be appointed Chairman of the FA. We have more chance of signing Beckham. David Bernstein, ex- Manchester City Chief Executive, has been appointed....Mr. Dein if you aren't busy
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