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Ha ha, Touche my friend, Touche.

Oh god. Please don't say that. It means we have to keep him ! ( Top loves this sh1t football style and also we probably can't afford to sack him)

You're correct my friend, they weren't the best tonight. But, Wilf lacked fitness and Vardy lacked service. But Enzo also made the decision to swap KDH and Wilf over ( breaking up a comfortable and known partnership) Enzo, is also in control, with regards to subs and insisting on playing EnzoBall The book stops with him and his overall decisions.

What's funny is, the Enzo and EnzoBall lovers claim that the Norwich performance was the style / the idea working brilliantly. ( But they would wouldn't they) I called it at the time and still do now, 'BS' on that front. The Norwich performance was the teams reaction to the various aspects of disgruntlement from the crowd, the ironic cheering for a forward pass. etc. The team thankfully reacted positively to it and played an element of Anti-Enzoball for the want of a better word. Enzo noticed and reacted also to the various aspects of disgruntlement, but his actions were to have a pop at a section of fans, to then wagging his 'calm down arms' at the team because we weren't patient and controlling enough. A Norwich quality of performance, with the same overall application of the 'alternative style' would have beaten Millwall this evening.

Spot on ! Agree 100,%. Except, I don't want him here in the summer. He won't change, as his stubborn refusal to do so when solely needed in the here and now has proven. Next season we can't give him what he wants for EnzoBall to stand a chance of working. Plus the football is Zzzzzz

OK. To all the EnzoBall lovers.. (the main protagonists know who they are.) Defend that performance and result if Enzos style is so great and we who question it are so wrong. Convince us why it's still so great. When resent results ( which are the one's that matter at this moment in time) suggest differently. Why is Enzo so right to continue with it. If anyone tries and defends it by pulling out the 'joker card' excuse of, but we would be better and it would work if we had a higher calibre of player. STOP RIGHT THERE... We don't have them at our disposal right now and we have never had them. Any manager with an ounce of common sense wouldn't try and persist with a system that relies on better players that he's doesn't have , but try and correctly utilise the individuals currently at his disposal with their known strengths and look to minimise there collective weakness' by creating a 'Bespoke system' to a degree to match these attributes and get the best out of the team. Not shoehorn a system onto them that some lack the skillset to play. ALSO, teams have deployed the low block on us numerous times recently and if the EnzoBall lovers roll out the excuse along the lines of " what do you expect him to do, or how do we combat it if they low block", etc, etc. Again STOP if you have identified that this is an Achilles Heal to the wondrous EnzoBall system surly any manager with an ounce of common sense wouldn't try and persist and look for an alternative option with the tools at his disposal to try and overcome this. The problem IMO ( and also a growing number of others as well) is EnzoBall, like Enzo himself is too inflexible, and ridged. and unless the opposition commit to being moved about its not as dynamic or tactically brilliant as you want us to believe... If it was then the past results and current league table would paint a far better picture with a better points tally

You're probably correct. I don't like playing shit teams either, but how can you use your reply as a response to the opinion of" I f*king hate Enzo ball ".

Wash your mouth out 🤪🤪 You'll have the EnzoBall fan club hunting you down. You have to remember this is the way Enzo had said countless times how he wants us to play. He wants SLOW, patient, methodical, intelligent, looking for solutions, built up play. Moving the opposition around ( which most have sussed out now) regardless of the tactics the opposition are deploying, be that a low block or a pressing team or a counter attack, EnzoBall is played. It doesn't matter what's transpiring on the pitch, ( what we are currently watching is proof of that) and he hasn't changed this ethos from match one and he won't change it now or ever. You see how ratty he gets when the tempo is raised or we deviate a little from the style. The calm and slow it down gestures are wagged about. It's the identity he wants for us and 'woe betied' if it's questioned

I guess it's a matter of aesthetics if I'm honest. I'm a bit old school and old fashioned, and being entertained to me is as part of the matchday experience as well as the result. EnzoBall to me for the vast majority of a match is a boring snooze fest. Any manager who would continue with a similar approach wouldn't have me jumping for joy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating a hoof ball and feed off scraps, approach, but IMO we play too slow and too 'safe' with our pragmatic, methodical build up. It feels like we pass for the sake of it and passing back ( it feels like we are robotic and over coached to do this) inviting pressure when sometimes a press forward would be the better option... Even just to catch the opposition off guard. I understand the technical aspects of why we play EnzoBall, but teams have learnt over the course of the season not to fall for the "move the opposition about" tactics, and have become more savvy. Against Norwich we played with more verity, more tempo, more forward intent, a wider use of long and down the lines passing ( yes having Doyle and Ricardo playing did help, but they are only a cog of EnzoBall and others whilst less affect but as professional footballers should be able to do 'similar' I would like to hope) The EnzoBall lovers will claim the Norwich performance was EnzoBall in its quintessential, finest form and the system was working perfectly. But they would wouldn't they ..I myself and a growing number disagree on that front. Teams adopting a low block are a lot more patient to wait out our 'to me to you' pass fest, and they have to some degree learn not to chase and be pulled about. So more Norwich matches and verity of play for me please.

I hope not. Sick to death of EnzoBall, the day can't come quick enough the owners also finally tire of it. Well I can live in hope I suppose..

Here, Here.. well said.

I'm ecstatic we won, and we back top with a game in hand But... the points we flushed away would probably mean we would be promoted by now...

EnzoBall at it's finest. Today's performance, and more importantly the playing style is polar opposite to the Norwich game. Regardless of what the EnzoBall lovers tried to claim that Norwich was in fact Enzos idea working in it's quintessential form (they world whatever style we played). Sorry IMO it's wasn't as the majority saw it differently too. We didn't play keep ball last game straight after scoring, we pushed forward , increased the playing tempo, tried the crossfield passes, reduced the 'me to you pass fest' What did we do this time when scoring...oh yes, we slow it down, and go full EnzoBall. Before Kick Off we were all crying out for a Norwich 2nd half display. What in reality we are being served isn't that.

Ok. As long as you feel comfortable with the way you treat people and the context and tone you respond to there posts with that's your prerogative.. Placed on ignore it is then.

Ha Ha, I really don't think you know you are doing it. Its the fact that if someone had a differing opinion to yours the patronising and condescending way you start your posts is not really very good or even respectful. If you had started the post along lines of " mmmm I hear what you are saying , but I disagree because x y x". Fine. Instead, dismissing the other persons post and their equally valid OPINION by coming straight in with a patronising opening line of : "I think you like the idea of this being the case rather than it actually being the case". Not really respecting others posting contributions and the equal platform of a forum...

Oh bore off. What makes you so right and and others wrong.. A few other have similar views to my own, so are their ideas wrong as well, Condescending or what. Were you there today.....no I didn't think so. But I was and that's the picture I and others took from the stand.

Yep. I guess we all do

Ok.. your take on it. But I agree Doyle was a marked improvement on JJ

I agree. And I'd go as far as say even when we started the league. We could all see from game one what style Enzo wanted us to play, but today's was different even to that. No way in our second match of the season last year would we have pinged that many crossfield passes or driven forward that much without 38 midfield 'me to you's'

No.. EnzoBall is slow, (as Enzo tried to implement after we had scored) patient, pragmatic, build-up play, with multiple passes to move the opposition. There was a noticeable reduction in all of those traits in todays performance.

Yep, got my goat a bit as well.

Your opinion my friend. ( But it is a forum👍) But sorry I don't agree - and reading others posts they have similar options. With EnzoBall we would have passed the hell out of it around the middle of the park. Today we were so much more forward intent minded. Noticeably less passing backwards and the most crossfield and searching through balls I've seen us do in a long time.

Play with the same format of less EnzoBall control as a trade off for more forward intent like we did today, say for the next two games and I'll put my arm out at the next stop. Without putting a damper on today's much much better and far more entertaining performance...'One swallow doesn't make a summer' and if adopting an Anti-Enzoball approach for the next few matches is what we are served up then I'll beva happy bunny and we stick a far better chance of promotion again.

Oh I agree bud. But it was the fact we took a breather, then when back to Anti-Enzoball again. Hence the 3rd goal. Which was pleasing