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Big assumption.

There has been a lot of concern expressed about Cooper's horrendous away record at Forest. It would be great if he puts these concerns to bed sooner rather than later - and the only way he will do that is by demonstrating he can make us competitive away from home. Saturday won't be easy (away games at Palace rarely are) but last year they finished in 10th position overall and had the 12th best home record (W8, D4, L7). It's not exactly a fortress down there. If Cooper picks the right team (ie, a genuine attacking midfielder and Mavididi on from the start), we can go toe-to-toe with them. If he errs on the side of caution again and we lose tamely like we did at Fulham, the alarm bells will be ringing loudly.

We might appear to be a hot mess, but fortunately our owners' willingness to write off debt by converting it to equity means we're not in a mess, financially speaking. Our overall debt is not unmanageable and we will make a profit for 2023/24 - possibly even enough profit to avoid another PSR charge. If we manage to stay up this season and avoid making repeating past mistakes with player salaries, we won't be in terrible shape at all.

This is not true, though. We paid more in wages than the rules permitted, not more than we could afford. This crops up a lot. People seem to conflate what the rules tell us is sustainable and what is actually sustainable for our club. In reality, they're completely different things. The fact that the current system imposes on us (and many other clubs) a spending limit that is significantly below what we can actually afford is at the heart of this PSR mess.

It doesn’t specify how many were away from home.

Where has Whelan said that? I know the club has been telling journalists off-the-record that they’re confident we won’t breach, but has Whelan gone on-the-record with it?

I don't think we'll breach for 2023/24, so I think the PL will allow the EFL to go after us for 2020-23. Unless we find another clever way out of getting out of it (and I wouldn't put it past us), this will likely result in some kind of sanction being imposed by the EFL. It will be interesting to see whether they ask us to pay a fine while we're in the PL (as they did with after our promotion in 2013/14) or impose a deferred points deduction that sits waiting for us in the event of relegation. My hunch is that if we're struggling in the league when they make the decision, they'll probably choose the latter. So getting relegated would not only hit our spending capability with another year in the EFL, we'd also likely have to start with a points deduction. We'd best get some points on the board, hadn't we?!

So £105m for 23/24, then £83m for £24/25?

I want us to come within the lower £83m limit but also aggressively push via our lawyers for the limit to be £105m even though we won't need it, just for the fun of it.

The removal of the threat of a points deduction will surely improve morale within the squad. Suddenly, the players' sole objective for the season has become much more achievable. It will be a massive boost for them to know that their fate is entirely in their own hands. Opposition fans of some clubs may chant about it, we may even get booed, but I don't think that will affect us negatively. If anything, it will spur our own fans to get behind the team even more. For most of last season the atmosphere at the KP lacked a bit of bite. I think it will be much better this season.

Yes, I reckon it would have been four points. Nothing like the amount speculated by the media. On TalkSport yesterday Stefan Borson was asked what deduction we've have likely got if the appeal failed. When he said 3-4 points, you could hear the disappointment in the voices of Jim White and Simon Jordan. They were really hoping he'd say 10-15 points....

A question for anybody with legal knowledge: if the police regarded this crime as racially-motivated, would that be apparent in the charge? In other words, is there a crime of 'racially-aggravated murder' as opposed to plain 'murder'?

Why reckless? The club has not spent more than it can afford over the past few years. At no point have we become anywhere close to financially unsustainable. We have breached PSR (or narrowly avoided breaching due to some ambiguous rule wording), but let's not pretend the PSR rules have anything to do with sustainability. Who gets to decide what is 'sustainable' anyway? The whole thing is a farce: badly conceived, poorly planned and atrociously executed.

He seems to be under the impression that if we'd submitted our accounts to the FPL last November, they could have forced us to sell KDH in January. This isn't true. They could have imposed a transfer embargo on us, but as we didn't sign anybody last January that wouldn't have affected us anyway. He also happily cites the 10-15 point deduction claim without considering why we'd get such a bigger punishment than Forest despite breaching by considerably less. Stefan Borson said yesterday that we'd have got 3-4 points had our appeal failed. And as for his comment that it's "bullshit" to say that we weren't a PL club on 30 June 2023, is he not aware of Tuesday's ruling? It's a matter of fact, son, not of opinion.

I really want to know whether this is true or not. Hopefully one of the journalists who cover us will look into it…

Has that really got anything to do with the threat of a points deduction, though?

The EFL can't impose transfer embargoes on PL clubs.

FosseHub will link to any old shit. It's supposed to be a Leicester fan account, but it's basically just a conduit for bullshit from other sources...

This is for 2021-24, not the 2020-23 period. FosseHub have linked a story by footyinsider which claims we're likely to breach for last season, citing anonymous 'sources'. Fortunately, footyinsider is as bad a source as there is, so the story does not carry much weight.

Sorry - I thought we were talking about the PSR thing, not the player behaviour charge.

I'm sorry, but this is very silly. For them to do this, they'd need PGMOL to agree to cheat on their behalf. There is not a chance they'd agree to do that and even if they did, somebody would blow the whistle - and if that level of corruption were revealed, it would mean the end of the PL in its current form. It's not going to happen.

It was the PL. The FA has nothing to do with it.

Not quite. The PL does not impose the points deduction - the commission does. The PL can, I believe, suggest a certain deduction but they do not decide it. If we breach for 2021-24 by a relatively small amount, it is likely we'll just receive a fine or a two-point deduction.

I've just read that Guardian article. It may as well have said "Leicester will have to abide by existing PSR rules for 2021-24". There is literally nothing new in it - and they've labelled it an 'exclusive' From what I've heard the club is confident we haven't breached for 2021-24, but we shall see. Even if we have breached I suspect it will be by a small amount, which will limit their ability to punish us.

That's what I expected, but he really did have some sand in his vagina about us 'getting away with it'...