Guest Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 well now you know what WAR is all about, cheap fuel!! Perhaps if we palled up with the Middle East as apposed to Geedubya we might get cheaper oil! Its shit and like shit it stinks! 70 quid a tank now! And people wonder why I swapped my car for a diesel, it was costing me 300 quid a month in petrol! BAH!!! We saw how much diesel had gone up (more than petrol), and wondered if now it would cost about the same to run as a petrol engine car?
Janx Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 We saw how much diesel had gone up (more than petrol), and wondered if now it would cost about the same to run as a petrol engine car? not quite but it wont be long, LPG 35p a litre!! thats the way forward, we will all be driving smart cars at 20 mph if the govt had their way!
Guest Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 During the last fuel strike, you had to prove you were part of the emergencies services or prove you were a nurse/doctor etc in order to be able to obtain fuel. I worked, at that time, at BT taking emergency calls and passing them through to the relevant authorities, so we had to have fuel in order to get to our jobs to pass the bloody calls through in the first place. I did wonder at the time where this chain of 'dispensation' would end. It's alright people saying let's set up blockades and grind this country to a halt to get a few pence a litre of petrol, but when these people need to call an ambulance and can't get through will they put two and two together? When people who live several miles from their nearest shop, with no public transport, have to decide whether to risk using the last bit of fuel in their tank to get bread and milk knowing that they won't be able to get into a petrol station to fill up, will the mothers who drive their children half a mile to school in their X5's or Range Rovers give a toss, just as long as they can save a few quid a week? I would love to fill up my car for a tenner, but it's not going to happen. I would love not to pay tax, but it's not going to happen. It's a much bigger picture than what's coming out of my bank account each month, I'm afraid.
Katy Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 It's alright people saying let's set up blockades and grind this country to a halt to get a few pence a litre of petrol, but when these people need to call an ambulance and can't get through will they put two and two together? When people who live several miles from their nearest shop, with no public transport, have to decide whether to risk using the last bit of fuel in their tank to get bread and milk knowing that they won't be able to get into a petrol station to fill up, will the mothers who drive their children half a mile to school in their X5's or Range Rovers give a toss, just as long as they can save a few quid a week? I would love to fill up my car for a tenner, but it's not going to happen. I would love not to pay tax, but it's not going to happen. It's a much bigger picture than what's coming out of my bank account each month, I'm afraid. Spot on Lease, from my point of view that is exactly mine and Stezzas situation and you know our situation. I think though, like I said before, the emergency services will be allowed to get fuel but its not really the point is it!
Darth Fox Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 I fly on Holiday netx Wed 14th from EMA. Any ideas whether a fuel strike would affect flights?
Guest Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Aviation fuel is different to car fuel, and the only way it would be affected is if tankers can't physically get there, I'd guess. If I'm wrong, don't quote me!
Guest Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Spot on Lease, from my point of view that is exactly mine and Stezzas situation and you know our situation. I think though, like I said before, the emergency services will be allowed to get fuel but its not really the point is it! Exactly. If this goes ahead, it will be carried out by people who live in cities and suburban areas, who at a push could use public transport or even, god forbid, walk.
Janx Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Exactly. If this goes ahead, it will be carried out by people who live in cities and suburban areas, who at a push could use public transport or even, god forbid, walk. Steady P1 thats just conchy talk!
Darth Fox Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Hopefully it won't affect the fuel tankers then. Looking 4ward to donning my Foxes, Scotland and Celtic shirts on the Costa Brava and getting some random verbal abuse from rival fans. Shame about the current weather in spain though
Guest Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Hopefully it won't affect the fuel tankers then. Looking 4ward to donning my Foxes, Scotland and Celtic shirts on the Costa Brava and getting some random verbal abuse from rival fans. Shame about the current weather in spain though Is the rain not falling mainly on the plain?
Janx Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Is the rain not falling mainly on the plain? only late summer thunder storms, always happens, next 10 day forecast is set fair, well it is for Mayayaorcah cah cah!!
Guest Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 You make sure you cream up properly, as I once heard someone say on the beach! Factor 30 at least!
Matt Posted 8 September 2005 Author Posted 8 September 2005 you can drive? Anyway, fuel is TOOOO expensive and its not good for a student either!! its expenisive enough with road tax etc! You'll be a full-time tax dodger soon anyway - You've gotta pay tax somehow why we pay so much spain only pays 50p a litre!! this country is fukced up You've only just realised?
TrickyTrev Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Well done, blaming the price rise on Hurricane Katrina? Disgusting that the government is using a tragedy as an excuse...Petrol prices have gone up 4 times since I passed my test in February, Have they got mystic meg in the house of commons predicting natural disasters? wonder where she'd disappeared to... Well Southern USA is a key pruducer of oil, demand completely outstrips supply as it is so prices will inflate at the slightest pressure. The unstable nature of the Middle East hardly helps too. I would also like to add that Fuel tax is currently frozen and I am pretty sure it has been since 2003. It is not the Tax going up it is the cost of the Petroleum. There is alsoa goosd reason for fuel being texed so highly. It has massive negative externalities on our economy and the environemnt. Some areas of the country are in gridlock as it is without driving becoming cheaper. It is supossed to be a disincentive, I only wish the policians had the bollocks to admit that and prmise that the money would be redirected directly into transport. For those of you lamenting how cheaop fuel is in USA. Due to their much lower taxes they have a much smaller public sector. No health service or welfare sytem to speak of, would you liek to live ina country with no provisions for the poor, pensioners or sick? I won't even go into the fatc America consumes more fuel per person than any other nation. That's nothing to be proud of.
stez Posted 8 September 2005 Posted 8 September 2005 Exactly. If this goes ahead, it will be carried out by people who live in cities and suburban areas, who at a push could use public transport or even, god forbid, walk. most of the fuel protesters are farmers and truck drivers, in fact the main man in the last one was a geordie farmer. fuel prices affect country dwellers loads more than city types for the reason you gave above ie cities have (on the whole) decent public transport also in the country most houses are heated by heating oil which is affected, price-wise, the same as petrol and diesel. so this strike really proves how desperate it is for people in the countryside, in that they are willing to put themselves through hardship to try and make things easier in the long run. when you rely on oil or petrol for for everything, the price (and tax) means quite a lot. i would walk to the shop but 4 miles for a shitty co-op or 7 miles for a decent sized shop is just a bit to far (for me)
Guest Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 most of the fuel protesters are farmers and truck drivers, in fact the main man in the last one was a geordie farmer. fuel prices affect country dwellers loads more than city types for the reason you gave above ie cities have (on the whole) decent public transport also in the country most houses are heated by heating oil which is affected, price-wise, the same as petrol and diesel. so this strike really proves how desperate it is for people in the countryside, in that they are willing to put themselves through hardship to try and make things easier in the long run. when you rely on oil or petrol for for everything, the price (and tax) means quite a lot. i would walk to the shop but 4 miles for a shitty co-op or 7 miles for a decent sized shop is just a bit to far (for me) Farmers don't pay as much as the rest of us, I believe they are exempt from VAT? If you don't think us townies would be affected by another fuel protest, think again; the first morning of the last protest, I couldn't get to work because of the queue outside the petrol station round the corner! Such is society that if someone thinks they can save a few bob, they will do it, without thinking of the consequences elsewhere. The rise in oil prices has also meant that my electricity bills will be going up, no doubt the water companies will join in citing risies in energy costs, and when the demand for LPG starts to increase, or companies switch to gas instead of electricity, then my gas bill will also go up. It won't be long before supermarkets put their prices up as it is costing them more to deliver ggods etc. I maintain that these problems are caused by the rising cost of all, not taxation. Duty hasn't changed, and is at a fixed level, only VAT will increase. The Government will need to find money to pay for rising energy bills in schools and hospitals, and to keep emergency vehicles on the roads etc. If they cuty the duty, or lowered VAT then they will take the money elsewhere, and is it right that someone who tries to have a posisitve effect on the environment should pay more to subsidise someone who can't be bothered taking a 5 minute walk to their local shop/cash machine/friend etc? Life is not fair, but to me the current system is the fairest if we want a welfare state.
Thracian Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 Good thread but the key is in the last line. Sadly: a) There is far too much abuse of the welfare system which is draining resources. It needs serious reform. b) The system as we know it is unsustainable long term. As many people as possible need to start protecting their children's health and welfare from birth.
Katy Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 To be on the safe side we will be stocking up on bread and other suplies over the weekend and before anyone says we can walk the four miles to the nearest shop, say if we did that and when we got there what we needed was sold out? because I can see others who live nearer doing the same.
davieG Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 Good thread but the key is in the last line. Sadly: a) There is far too much abuse of the welfare system which is draining resources. It needs serious reform. b) The system as we know it is unsustainable long term. As many people as possible need to start protecting their children's health and welfare from birth. Let's not forget the people at the other end of the scale, those on the gravy train of Europe, Official Government & Local Government, Quangos and Non-Jobs in both, Heads of Privatised Businesses & Multi-national Businesses, Tax fiddlers etc.
Nationwider Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 why we pay so much spain only pays 50p a litre!! this country is fukced up I'd rather be here than in Spain - they do their own brand of fukced up quite well too. They north-east of spain, Catalonia/Barcelona is one of the richest areas of Europe, yet they receive more in Euro grants than most countries. Their "informal" economy (ie. tax dodgers) is unbelieveable and its the rest of Europe that foots the bill. It's full of fat, chav, wino ex-pats too. I'm in quite an intolerant mood today.
Guest Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 According to the RBS Daily reports, the price of Brent Crude has been going down since 02/09/05. Which is funny, because petrol has gone up during that time.
Thracian Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 Let's not forget the people at the other end of the scale, those on the gravy train of Europe, Official Government & Local Government, Quangos and Non-Jobs in both, Heads of Privatised Businesses & Multi-national Businesses, Tax fiddlers etc. Don't get me on them Davieg. I dislike corruption across the board. And those in the ivory tower of the EC who should be setting an example are beneath contempt.
Katy Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 Farmers don't pay as much as the rest of us, I believe they are exempt from VAT? If you don't think us townies would be affected by another fuel protest, think again; the first morning of the last protest, I couldn't get to work because of the queue outside the petrol station round the corner! Such is society that if someone thinks they can save a few bob, they will do it, without thinking of the consequences elsewhere. The rise in oil prices has also meant that my electricity bills will be going up, no doubt the water companies will join in citing risies in energy costs, and when the demand for LPG starts to increase, or companies switch to gas instead of electricity, then my gas bill will also go up. It won't be long before supermarkets put their prices up as it is costing them more to deliver ggods etc. I maintain that these problems are caused by the rising cost of all, not taxation. Duty hasn't changed, and is at a fixed level, only VAT will increase. The Government will need to find money to pay for rising energy bills in schools and hospitals, and to keep emergency vehicles on the roads etc. If they cuty the duty, or lowered VAT then they will take the money elsewhere, and is it right that someone who tries to have a posisitve effect on the environment should pay more to subsidise someone who can't be bothered taking a 5 minute walk to their local shop/cash machine/friend etc? Life is not fair, but to me the current system is the fairest if we want a welfare state. i moved to the sticks 2 or so years ago, and lived in the middle of leicester during the last fuel protest and could happily get around using buses and walking, but i too, couldn't get to work. as for farmers being diesel being exempt from vat that's true for the tractors/combines etc (it is also true for factories who have diesel run machinery), all the other transport lorries for taking stuff to market etc runs on the white diesel, the same as everyone else. i'm stez by the way
Alexikokopops Posted 9 September 2005 Posted 9 September 2005 i'm for it (the strike). i would happily drive my car less if: 1) i didn't have to tax and insure it for a year (or 6 months) paid for out of already taxed income, then be expected to have the car sat in my driveway not being used. 2) if road tax was put onto fuel, so you paid more road tax the more you used the roads 3) i had any sort of public transport (we have non round here at all) 4) if my nearest shop wasn't 4 miles away Yip thats me and Stez practically desert islanded! So I only made it halfway down the 1st page of this thread, but I just wanted to reiterate how poor public transport is in Lincolnshire. And I'm done.
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