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[MooseBreath]

Are you Nigel Pearson, inckley fox? Wherever there's a point made about him, there you are.

I'm not totally sure on what point you're trying to make there though. Ranieri has only been in charge for two open transfer window months while Pearson was in charge for several years so of course most of the squad are Pearson signings. The fact that Pearson signed Simpson doesn't mean a lot when his performances under Pearson were league one-ish yet under Ranieri they look premier league.

Giving Pearson credit for that is like giving the person who orders the ingredients in a restaurant the credit for the magic that the chef cooks up. Anybody can order spuds but it takes a bit of skill to whip them up into potato chips, baked potato, roast potato, potato crisps with potato dip, potato ju and a potato foam, served with mashed potatoes, potato, charred potatoes and a potato jelly.

[ImBlue]

Are you Nigel Pearson, inckley fox? Wherever there's a point made about him, there you are.

I'm not totally sure on what point you're trying to make there though. Ranieri has only been in charge for two open transfer window months while Pearson was in charge for several years so of course most of the squad are Pearson signings. The fact that Pearson signed Simpson doesn't mean a lot when his performances under Pearson were league one-ish yet under Ranieri they look premier league.

Giving Pearson credit for that is like giving the person who orders the ingredients in a restaurant the credit for the magic that the chef cooks up. Anybody can order spuds but it takes a bit of skill to whip them up into potato chips, baked potato, roast potato, potato crisps with potato dip, potato ju and a potato foam, served with mashed potatoes, potato, charred potatoes and a potato jelly.

Its probably more suitable to a pizza analogy

[Babylon]

Not sure about this "Ranieri hasn't changed much" thing. By this time last year we'd used about 40 different formations. Ranieri has used 2. Even if we compare with Pearson's eventual last chance saloon formation of 532 (or whatever variant you want to call it), Ranieri has still made numerous changes.

1) the formation itself

A formation I think it was fairly obvious we'd try again considering he signed a left back and a more mobile ball winning CM.

2) playing Danny Simpson

Who played last year.

3) fuchsy baby

Signed before Pearson went

4) consistently selecting Albrighton

Was consistently selected end of lasy season.

5) Drinkwater/Kante consistent midfield partnership

Hard to play them together last season.... Kante obviously a Pearson/Walsh signing.

6) total dropping of Kramaric

Happened last season... although it's apparently a bad decision looking at the Kram thread.

7) consistently selecting Mahrez

Other than when he was dropped for a few games... only returning when the defence looked more solid.

These are tangible changes he has made and then you have others like transforming Morgan into a proper beat of a centre back, Vardy into the league's top scorer, sorting out the defence etc etc

Morgan was fine back end of last season, It's hardly a sock he looks better with Fuchs, Huth, Kante, Simpson around him compared to Schlupp, De Laet, Moore.

It's a bit disrespectful to Ranieri to say he hasn't had to do anything because to get us where we are he surely has. Luckily I don't think we need to worry about Claudio throwing a pissy fit in the media about it though.

 

Yeah that list proves loads... other than they can all be attributed to Pearson as well. Is that really the best list you can come up with?

 

Essentially the only thing in all of that even worth a mention (and it's a very big mention), is putting Vardy as the focal point rather than him being more the support striker., that was a good decision. Although we'd already seen a massive upswing in his form at the end of last season also.

 

Tactically he's been better, his changes in games have mostly worked. I don't think there is much argument there, he makes the changes earlier rather than waiting and waiting.

 

Ranieri has benefited from all the good stuff that Pearson did, but also from the mistakes of last season. Not getting in a left back (we tried) was a problem, not getting a better CB to play with Wes was a problem. Not having a mobile holding CM was a problem when playing a four sometimes. All issues that caused us problems last year, but issues that were being rectified before his arrival. 

[Babylon]

Are you Nigel Pearson, inckley fox? Wherever there's a point made about him, there you are.

I'm not totally sure on what point you're trying to make there though. Ranieri has only been in charge for two open transfer window months while Pearson was in charge for several years so of course most of the squad are Pearson signings. The fact that Pearson signed Simpson doesn't mean a lot when his performances under Pearson were league one-ish yet under Ranieri they look premier league.

Giving Pearson credit for that is like giving the person who orders the ingredients in a restaurant the credit for the magic that the chef cooks up. Anybody can order spuds but it takes a bit of skill to whip them up into potato chips, baked potato, roast potato, potato crisps with potato dip, potato ju and a potato foam, served with mashed potatoes, potato, charred potatoes and a potato jelly.

I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with having better players around him also? And not being played as a wing back?

[AKCJ]

Not entirely sure how anyone can argue against Pearson there.

 

 

It took Pearson nearly an entire season to come up with a system that works. To Ranieri's credit he's taken that system and improved it and as a result we're 2nd.

 

Pisses me off how some can't understand that you can acknowledge Pearson's work without taking anything away from Ranieri.

[ImBlue]

How does Pearson get credited with good signings along with Walsh?

It's like some kind of royalties thing because he was part of his back room staff. Walsh did his job, and excellently, hence he kept it. Pearson for the large part of the season didn't. Mahrez, Drinkwater, Vardy, Morgan etc haven't turned into top premier league players over night, they just weren't being managed/used correctly.

The way Ranieri has them playing is like having new players to the ones Pearson was using.

[Babylon]

How does Pearson get credited with good signings along with Walsh?

 

Because he's the manager, he has the final say and it's HIS scouting team.

 

 

It's like some kind of royalties thing because he was part of his back room staff. Walsh did his job, and excellently, hence he kept it. Pearson for the large part of the season didn't. Mahrez, Drinkwater, Vardy, Morgan etc haven't turned into top premier league players over night, they just weren't being managed/used correctly.

 

Oh if only there was president of them also being good under Pearson... you know like for a large chunk of last season. FFS.

 

WUM WUM WUM

[Sharpe's Fox]

The one positive effect that Ranieri has implemented has been the massive improvement of our defence, both as individuals and a unit, as a back four. However this benefits our attacking play as it translates in our wide players, who we had to sacrifice to play a back three, being free to create more. For me thats the difference between Clauds and Nige.

 

One negative for me is that in the last few weeks we have lost a bit of variety in our attacking play. Its pretty obvious how we attack teams now. Either counterattack, long balls to Vardy or Fuchs throws.

[ImBlue]

Because he's the manager, he has the final say and it's HIS scouting team.

Oh if only there was president of them also being good under Pearson... you know like for a large chunk of last season. FFS.

WUM WUM WUM

It's Leicester City Football Clubs scouting team, hence they stayed when he went, as I'm also sure Pearson doesn't pay there wages. You make out like its some sort of subcontract.

LARGE chunk? Debatable considering we had IIRC 19 points from 29 games?

The performances this season have shown if anything that the team was capable of the run we did last season, and had Pearson not been so stuck in his ways, out of his depth tactically and stubborn, we could have been safe a lot sooner and possibly achieved more.

[Babylon]

The one positive effect that Ranieri has implemented has been the massive improvement of our defence, both as individuals and a unit, as a back four. However this benefits our attacking play as it translates in our wide players, who we had to sacrifice to play a back three, being free to create more. For me thats the difference between Clauds and Nige.

 

One negative for me is that in the last few weeks we have lost a bit of variety in our attacking play. Its pretty obvious how we attack teams now. Either counterattack, long balls to Vardy or Fuchs throws.

Always difficult to say really, is that tactical or becuase of the new players? Compare a back four of Konch, Wes, Moore, De Laet from the start of last year to one of Fuchs, Was, Huth, Simpson. It's not hard to see why we'd have an improvement no matter who was here. Add in Kante in the middle, who is like having two players on the pitch and you look massively more solid.

 

I do think there is an element of tactics there also. He likes to compress us more when not in possession and is much happier for us to sit deep as a team.

[AKCJ]

It's Leicester City Football Clubs scouting team, hence they stayed when he went, as I'm also sure Pearson doesn't pay there wages. You make out like its some sort of subcontract.

LARGE chunk? Debatable considering we had IIRC 19 points from 29 games?

The performances this season have shown if anything that the team was capable of the run we did last season, and had Pearson not been so stuck in his ways, out of his depth tactically and stubborn, we could have been safe a lot sooner and possibly achieved more.

 

 

I'd say that 9 games can be considered a "large chunk" out of 38.

 

 

Especially considering it's the difference between 19 points and 42.

[Babylon]

It's Leicester City Football Clubs scouting team, hence they stayed when he went, as I'm also sure Pearson doesn't pay there wages. You make out like its some sort of subcontract.

 

Without Pearson they wouldn't be here would they you utter WUM. That's the long and short of it, it's his team that signed these players.

 

 

LARGE chunk? Debatable considering we had IIRC 19 points from 29 games?

 

Yes a large chunk... perhaps you need to look at the final table?

 

 

The performances this season have shown if anything that the team was capable of the run we did last season, and had Pearson not been so stuck in his ways, out of his depth tactically and stubborn, we could have been safe a lot sooner and possibly achieved more.

Considering three massive performers for us this season in Huth, Kante and Fuchs were missing for the first half of last season and all of it in the case of two of them, this seasons form shows nothing. Pearson made errors, we all know that, he wasn't perfect last season... but he got there and we are benefiting. And... much like your posts in this thread, he made you look silly.

 

 

 

[ImBlue]

Always difficult to say really, is that tactical or becuase of the new players? Compare a back four of Konch, Wes, Moore, De Laet from the start of last year to one of Fuchs, Was, Huth, Simpson. It's not hard to see why we'd have an improvement no matter who was here. Add in Kante in the middle, who is like having two players on the pitch and you look massively more solid.

I do think there is an element of tactics there also. He likes to compress us more when not in possession and is much happier for us to sit deep as a team.

You're choosing to forget Simpson was available to him and he went into the market for a centre back, and all he came back with is a 36 year old crock that proved everyone right.

We also started this season unbeaten with Jeff at left back who was also available to Pearson.

Kante is class, but he wasn't exactly in the bargain bucket of players with cambiasso in his starting 11 either is he?

You're just making excuses.

[ImBlue]

Without Pearson they wouldn't be here would they you utter WUM. That's the long and short of it, it's his team that signed these players.

Yes a large chunk... perhaps you need to look at the final table?

Considering three massive performers for us this season in Huth, Kante and Fuchs were missing for the first half of last season and all of it in the case of two of them, this seasons form shows nothing. Pearson made errors, we all know that, he wasn't perfect last season... but he got there and we are benefiting. And... much like your posts in this thread, he made you look silly.

I give him credit for bringing in a good. That's it. You can't give him credit for the account finding good players? That could go on forever. He can't live off the royalties of it.

Mandaric credit for finding owners, owners credit for hiring Pearson, Pearson credit for bringing in Walsh etc. Walsh credit for signing Vardy, sports science team/coaches for Vardy's form. So Mandaric deserves praise for Vardy breaking the premier league record?

You're only second to inkleyfox in your staunch defence of Pearson.

The fact is we are flying, it's because Pearson signed the players. We dare to suggest maybe the players were capable of it last season but not being used as well as they are this season and the pair of you come out in force.

A large chunk surely has to be defined by games not points gained. 9 games is less than a quarter we went longer than that without a win.

[whetstonefox]

Just never get all this bitterness and arguing, Pearson DID a great job, Ranieri is DOING a great job.

Pearsons spell in charge left many good memories, hopefully we'll say the same about Ranieri whenever he moves on.

Just enjoy the ride.

[MooseBreath]

Yeah that list proves loads... other than they can all be attributed to Pearson as well. Is that really the best list you can come up with?

Essentially the only thing in all of that even worth a mention (and it's a very big mention), is putting Vardy as the focal point rather than him being more the support striker., that was a good decision. Although we'd already seen a massive upswing in his form at the end of last season also.

Tactically he's been better, his changes in games have mostly worked. I don't think there is much argument there, he makes the changes earlier rather than waiting and waiting.

Ranieri has benefited from all the good stuff that Pearson did, but also from the mistakes of last season. Not getting in a left back (we tried) was a problem, not getting a better CB to play with Wes was a problem. Not having a mobile holding CM was a problem when playing a four sometimes. All issues that caused us problems last year, but issues that were being rectified before his arrival.

Yeah I'm bored now. You've clearly misinterpreted my list and jumped to the rescue of Pearson even though he wasn't criticised. At the end of the day we've been a better team under ranieri than we were under Pearson and beyond that idgaf for all this nonsense about who is better.

[Babylon]

You're choosing to forget Simpson was available to him and he went into the market for a centre back, and all he came back with is a 36 year old crock that proved everyone right.

You mean the scouting team came back with him. Oh sorry, I forgot only Pearson is involved in the shit signings.

 

 

We also started this season unbeaten with Jeff at left back who was also available to Pearson.

We also started the season letting in a shit load of goals if you didn't notice, hence the change in defence.

 

 

Kante is class, but he wasn't exactly in the bargain bucket of players with cambiasso in his starting 11 either is he?

 

Defensively there is no comparison and you know it.

 

 

You're just making excuses.

So are you.

[fuchsntf]

Are you Nigel Pearson, inckley fox? Wherever there's a point made about him, there you are.

I'm not totally sure on what point you're trying to make there though. Ranieri has only been in charge for two open transfer window months while Pearson was in charge for several years so of course most of the squad are Pearson signings. The fact that Pearson signed Simpson doesn't mean a lot when his performances under Pearson were league one-ish yet under Ranieri they look premier league.

Giving Pearson credit for that is like giving the person who orders the ingredients in a restaurant the credit for the magic that the chef cooks up. Anybody can order spuds but it takes a bit of skill to whip them up into potato chips, baked potato, roast potato, potato crisps with potato dip, potato ju and a potato foam, served with mashed potatoes, potato, charred potatoes and a potato jelly.

One has to plant and pick the potatoes, sort out the poor ones and stablise, the delivery and the logistics.

Make sure, there is a platform to slowly introduce other vegetables.Then see that the budget is used correctly, not just having a lader full of only fking potatoes....

Get the gist..???

And like the old saying goes, 'if they aint got potatoes, I'll have chips'...

[Babylon]

Yeah I'm bored now. You've clearly misinterpreted my list and jumped to the rescue of Pearson even though he wasn't criticised. At the end of the day we've been a better team under ranieri than we were under Pearson and beyond that idgaf for all this nonsense about who is better.

It's not the same team, he's benefited from new players and players we only had for part of last season, from players having an extra years experience, the feel good factor, the style we discovered... under Pearson.  If we hadn't finished last season so brilliantly then fair enough I'd hold my hands up. But with that finish and the new players I don't see why we couldn't be having an exceptional season under Pearson.

 

As good as, who knows... I have a feeling not because of the faults Pearson had that I have listed previously. But Pearson did always learn and got there in the end.