Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 9 minutes ago, FIF said: Not sure what you're trying to prove here? I was just answering your question as you seemed to think that the UK had a bigger economy than France when the trend is going the other way. Is it that England have a smaller economy despite France having twice the unemployment? What does that say about efficiency? When the employment figures change do you reckon the UK will go back into the position they held under the last Labour govt. I said our economy was out performing France's, just saying France has a slightly bigger economy doesn't prove it's performing better.
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: I said our economy was out performing France's, just saying France has a slightly bigger economy doesn't prove it's performing better. So what criteria are you using to make that statement? Isn't the trend of moving below France a negative trend? I'm still unsure why you're comparing France and England.
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 Well you were saying that a 90% tax rate would make a happier society. Now IIrc France tried to introduce a 70% top rate of tax and it was a disaster for the economy. Looking at the last 18 months, strikes, civil unrest and terrorism it doesn't seem to have made France any happier either.
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 14 minutes ago, Webbo said: Well you were saying that a 90% tax rate would make a happier society. Now IIrc France tried to introduce a 70% top rate of tax and it was a disaster for the economy. Looking at the last 18 months, strikes, civil unrest and terrorism it doesn't seem to have made France any happier either. I think you recall wrongly. I don't know what the mail has written but the strikes are nothing to do with a higher tax rate being introduced - the latest strikes are mostly to do with the introduction of the new work laws - work laws that were going to the right wing but nothing like Thatcher put in place. Civil unrest was nothing to do with the introduction of a higher tax rate - unless Depardieu moving to Russia is the civil unrest you're talking about. Terrorism certainly has nothing to do with tax at all and that is a comment in very poor taste, hope you didn't have family in the 7/7 london bombings. Finally the tax rate also had nothing to do with the slump in the economy - you might look at the world economy slump and that in Britain just to reassure yourself. Still you keep telling yourself that as more and more of the fears brexit brought forward continue to happen. Maybe the Mail will actually tell you that England has taken a big step backwards in the world since your decision and then you'll believe them.
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 Seems to be a lot of coincidences . Whatever the causes it doesn't seem to making the place happier.
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 Just now, Webbo said: Seems to be a lot of coincidences . Whatever the causes it doesn't seem to making the place happier. I'll ignore your first comment. You've never been to France how would you know if the French were happy in the past or happier or less happy nowadays?
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 since you seem to get all your info from the Mail I thought I'd type "Why are there strikes in France" into google for you: Here's the first reply which is the FACT that I told you. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36385778
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 1 minute ago, FIF said: I'll ignore your first comment. You've never been to France how would you know if the French were happy in the past or happier or less happy nowadays? I can only go on what I see on the BBC news. Strikes, violence, high unemployment don't seem like the recipe for a happy country to me but I'll bow to your local knowledge.
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 1 minute ago, FIF said: since you seem to get all your info from the Mail I thought I'd type "Why are there strikes in France" into google for you: Here's the first reply which is the FACT that I told you. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36385778 Yet again with the Daily Mail comment. Have I touched a nerve?
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 Just now, Webbo said: I can only go on what I see on the BBC news. Strikes, violence, high unemployment don't seem like the recipe for a happy country to me but I'll bow to your local knowledge. Seems you're confused then. That's a BBC link above explaining it's the labour law. Have another look. Then send me the BBC link showing me that the new 70% tax (or whatever you said it is) has caused these problems or even that it has made people unhappier.
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 1 minute ago, FIF said: Seems you're confused then. That's a BBC link above explaining it's the labour law. Have another look. Then send me the BBC link showing me that the new 70% tax (or whatever you said it is) has caused these problems or even that it has made people unhappier. You said that redistributing wealth made people happier, that clearly hasn't happened. It's nice to see that France has finally realised that over regulation destroys jobs though.
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 It was actually a 75% tax on earnings over 1 million euros (so nothing like what I was suggesting). It only lasted 2 years and brought in around 400m. It was a stupid tax but didn't make the normal man unhappier. Most of them liked the idea of the superrich having to pay a little more.
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: Yet again with the Daily Mail comment. Have I touched a nerve? Being as I know you are an educated and intelligent man with extreme right wing tendancies and your facts were so wrong I presumed that you get your info from the Mail. It certainly wasn't from the BBC was it?
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 1 minute ago, FIF said: It was actually a 75% tax on earnings over 1 million euros (so nothing like what I was suggesting). It only lasted 2 years and brought in around 400m. It was a stupid tax but didn't make the normal man unhappier. Most of them liked the idea of the superrich having to pay a little more. So your suggestion of 90% tax on earnings over £200k is a good idea but 75% of earnings over 1 million euros is stupid?
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 was 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: You said that redistributing wealth made people happier, that clearly hasn't happened. It's nice to see that France has finally realised that over regulation destroys jobs though. Firstly it didn't redistribute wealth secondly you clearly are completely ignorant about France. Perhaps come over and see for yourself.
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 Just now, FIF said: was Firstly it didn't redistribute wealth secondly you clearly are completely ignorant about France. Perhaps come over and see for yourself. What? And sit in a queue in Dover for 24 hours?
Guest Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 Just now, Webbo said: What? And sit in a queue in Dover for 24 hours? touché (who was that guy on foxestalk who thought touché was touchy?)
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 1 hour ago, Webbo said: Brexit: EU considers migration ‘emergency brake’ for UK for up to seven years https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years Seems what we were told we'd never get, we might be getting after all. Mike Ashley is affecting immigration too now?! Damn him and all his kind!
Webbo Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 2 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Mike Ashley is affecting immigration too now?! Damn him and all his kind! Oops, wrong thread, aren't I a ninny?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 July 2016 Posted 24 July 2016 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Oops, wrong thread, aren't I a ninny? Done it myself. You're forgiven.
Rob1742 Posted 25 July 2016 Author Posted 25 July 2016 On 24 July 2016 at 10:08, FIF said: No. Why would you think that? I believe in a redistribution of wealth and that excessive disparity in wage is bad for society. a 90% tax rate for high salaries is a way to bring equality without harm. Everything up to £200k is taxed at whatever rate most people pay. Only earnings above 200k get taxed at 90% and then that money is used by the government to help all the people in society. Since you understand how tax works I don't see why you'd be so against this. I doubt it'd affect you negatively - only positively. It may affect Mike Ashley though. Crikey, if I got taxed at 90% I would retire tomorrow and put all my staff on the dole straight away. Not the greatest idea that.
Christoph Posted 25 July 2016 Posted 25 July 2016 10 minutes ago, Rob1742 said: Crikey, if I got taxed at 90% I would retire tomorrow and put all my staff on the dole straight away. Not the greatest idea that. Agreed. Plus the majority of jobs which would pay anybody that amount usually comes with a lot of hard work, training and long hours. Doubt many people would want to go through the effort of that to get 90 percent taken off.
Guest Posted 25 July 2016 Posted 25 July 2016 2 hours ago, Rob1742 said: Crikey, if I got taxed at 90% I would retire tomorrow and put all my staff on the dole straight away. Not the greatest idea that. Then someone will take your place - that's capitalism. Greedy sod! what is the problem with being taxed high on amounts above 200K a year?
Guest Posted 25 July 2016 Posted 25 July 2016 1 hour ago, Christoph said: Agreed. Plus the majority of jobs which would pay anybody that amount usually comes with a lot of hard work, training and long hours. Doubt many people would want to go through the effort of that to get 90 percent taken off. The first £199k+ doesn't get taxed at that rate. You're missing the point that people earning 25k a year also do a lot of hard work, training and long hours.
Manwell Pablo Posted 25 July 2016 Posted 25 July 2016 I'm a little confused, has someone actually dug up Joseph Stalin and let him loose on Foxes talk?
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