Club Calls Open Meeting..

[Foxes_Trust]

We are glad that the club has listened to what we have said and called the meeting.

The previous time we got a meeting arranged like this, we were let down by a lack of fans who had previously bitterly complaineed about his issue, without Nagerz it would have been a complete waste of time.

We need a body of fans to turn up this time who will passionately put forward their case.

This is our chance to get our views over and gain some agreement on what is acceptable behaviour, please don't miss your chance otherwise it will turn into a library

http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/...~732548,00.html

[Thracian]

We are glad that the club has listened to what we have said and called the meeting.

The previous time we got a meeting arranged like this, we were let down by a lack of fans who had previously bitterly complaineed about his issue, without Nagerz it would have been a complete waste of time.

We need a body of fans to turn up this time who will passionately put forward their case.

This is our chance to get our views over and gain some agreement on what is acceptable behaviour, please don't miss your chance otherwise it will turn into a library

http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/...~732548,00.html

Sounds like we need some reliable volunteers.

[Manwell Pablo]

Sounds like we need some reliable volunteers.

17th Actually a really bad date for me as my graduation is 16th and no doubt will be hung over in Huddersfield! if i knew what time might be able to make it back.

[Foxes_Trust]

17th Actually a really bad date for me as my graduation is 16th and no doubt will be hung over in Huddersfield! if i knew what time might be able to make it back.

7.30pm start, plenty of time to make it even if you wake up after lunch

[Foxes_Trust]

We have been having regular dialogue for many months with Stand Up, Sit Down.

Some Supporters Trust's seem very reluctant toget involved over the standing and stewarding issues and tend to leave the lobbying to the FSF and SUSD.

However this is not the case with the Foxes Trust and to quote Amanda Matthews from SUSD who we have had further dialogue with today

"and thanks very much for your continued communication - I wish other Trusts were as proactive as yourselves"

We have requested that a representative of SUSD attends the meeting

We are very much on the case with this issue and believe our efforts over the last couple of day in getting the club to understand how this issue needs addressing soon has resulted in the open meeting being called.

[lush]

How about doing it after a game when everyone is already there, or is it designed as a "corporate" occassion

[Foxes_Trust]

How about doing it after a game when everyone is already there, or is it designed as a "corporate" occassion

The rooms are already utilised on match days to generate revenue from the corporate customers so wouldn't be available. Would imagine the date is arranged around the Police & SAG availability

[lush]

How about if we play at home in the next rd against doncaster n such like?

[lcfcalan]

I made some comments on this problem last season, and 'foxes trust ' invited me over to air my views. Unfortunately , these meetings are a tad inconvienient for me (and many others no doubt) to attend.

But gladly if there were a 'public' e- mail addy to air my view on regards this subject, with it being read out at the meeting , then i would expand on my experiences and views. The main point of view I have regards to this subject, is that on personal experience of the stewardship of last season ( and the previous season) ,

had an influence on me NOT renewing my season ticket for this season, or my sons' tickets either.

In the main, I myself was made to feel that as supporter of Leicester City for the past 40yrs , I was not welcome at the walkers stadium if I or my son(s) made noise , or any comments , gestures to the opposition supporters or referee, or oppo players. So ......after purchasing many season tickets, for me and my sons over the years (now, they choose , being old enough) I have for now not bought one , (or three) and hold back till we see what the stewards regime will bring as regards to the experience of supporting the team we all love in this family .

I know we need stewards and police, (this is not a personal dig at anyone ) but in the main, gestures, swear words, chants , derogatory songs , aimed at opposition fans and players , is the way football supporting has always been, it is the way of just about all football supporting communities.

A simple view, I see expressed time and time again is that away fans can do as they wish (not withstanding violence and throwing missiles etc) but LCFC fans are hassled all over the ground by stewards and police .

I wil now shut the f__ k up

[lush]

I wouldnt bother going people, all that will be said is what the legal rules are, and its just to explain to you in person that you must abide by them, thats why they exist.

Anyone with only half a brain knows a city fan will not change the law through this "discussion". Thats a larf, discussion, it wont be any of the sort, you will ask a question/theory, and be told to shut up with a answer you cannot change.

[Guest]

And yet again, Lush manages to miss the point.

If you want change, you have to do something about it. It won't happen on its own.

If enough fans make a stand, instead of apathetically doing nowt, the authorities could be forced to make changes. Why should they reintroduce terracing to top flight football if only 30 people out of the 500,000+ people attending actively campaign for it?

[Suffolk_fox]

Lush - a person so passionate about his views but when it comes to the crunch, when he has a chance to actually DO something about it backs off.

Some people make things happen, some people watch things happen. Others wonder what the heck has happened!!

[lush]

Acceptable behaviour:

You either behave sensibly, or you dont stay in the ground long, thats it. How difficult is it to understand?

If you go in a cinema, and you shout alot, your out, thats the rules, and you cant change them because people wana hear whats being said on screen.

Acceptable behaviour is behaving in accordance with the rules, and you wont change them rules at this meeting.

[Suffolk_fox]

I disagree. I think dialogue is a good thing, and that only by telling the club what we believe is acceptable and not acceptable (and that applies for how Stewards should act as well!) will we get anywhere.

Sadly, living over 100 miles away I can't get to the meeting, but good luck to those that do!

[lush]

Ok, lets have some dialogue. What current behaviour rule would you like to change?

[Jon the Hat]

What about pushing for a rule for Stewards that all non-violent behaviour must result first in a warning, with a second step being removal from the ground for the remainder of the match. Repeat offences over more than one match should result in a ban. Obviously with some variability in length of ban for actions which are considered more serious. The most serioud actions would be in the hands of the police. Stewards must know what they can and can't do, as well as the fans or there will always be an uneasy relationship between the two.

[Suffolk_fox]

Ok, lets have some dialogue. What current behaviour rule would you like to change?

I hope this isn't sarcasm here Lush; These are the suggestions I would make at the meeting. Obviously things aren't going to be changed if we only talk about it on this board.

It should be made clear that in the Family Enclosure, swearing and obscene gestures will be discouraged, firstly by a warning and then if a repetition is made then further action including but not restricted to expulsion from the ground may be taken.

Moving the FE away from the Away Fans section should also be strongly suggested. As a kid, I was terrified when we played Chelsea, Millwall, and other teams whose fans had a reputation. Being at the other end of the ground helped overcome that.

Things should be more relaxed in other areas of the ground. Unless someone is really inflaming a situation or inciting a riot (taunting fans excessively, chanting racial abuse etc) then they should be left alone. Afterall, this sport of ours is more of a passion, and people behave differently when they are passionate about something.

[lush]

It should be made clear that in the Family Enclosure, swearing and obscene gestures will be discouraged, firstly by a warning and then if a repetition is made then further action including but not restricted to expulsion from the ground may be taken.

Moving the FE away from the Away Fans section should also be strongly suggested. As a kid, I was terrified when we played Chelsea, Millwall, and other teams whose fans had a reputation. Being at the other end of the ground helped overcome that.

Things should be more relaxed in other areas of the ground. Unless someone is really inflaming a situation or inciting a riot (taunting fans excessively, chanting racial abuse etc) then they should be left alone. Afterall, this sport of ours is more of a passion, and people behave differently when they are passionate about something.

I think you`ll find the club does make it clear that swearing and obscene gestures is not acceptable. Dont quite understand the latter part of your first paragraph.

Whats the FE? Why did you sit near those fans if you new you`d be terrified?

Explain what things should be more relaxed? Being passionette is one thing, being passionette and upsetting another is another thing entirely.

[Manwell Pablo]

I think you`ll find the club does make it clear that swearing and obscene gestures is not acceptable. Dont quite understand the latter part of your first paragraph.

Whats the FE? Why did you sit near those fans if you new you`d be terrified?

Explain what things should be more relaxed? Being passionette is one thing, being passionette and upsetting another is another thing entirely.

Lush u r a F***ing Numpty

FE= Family Enclosure

He didnt sit near those fans as when we was young the FE was at the other side of the ground to the away fans (filber street) hes stating the fact that the FE being at away from the away fans is a postive thing.

[Shipman Out]

Acceptable behaviour:

You either behave sensibly, or you dont stay in the ground long, thats it. How difficult is it to understand?

If you go in a cinema, and you shout alot, your out, thats the rules, and you cant change them because people wana hear whats being said on screen.

Acceptable behaviour is behaving in accordance with the rules, and you wont change them rules at this meeting.

NUMPTY this isnt the cinema this is football, we ALL need to get to this meeting or E-Mail the club regarding this meeting and voice our concerns

1: Move the kop and FE around! Create home end atmosphere in kop better for kids/families must happen at the end of this season

2: Swearing/Gestures are part of being in a football crowd just cos we have a new stadium does not change this fact apart from the FE this should not be an offence

3: Throwing people out for standing/singing/supporting HAS TO STOP NOW

4: People ARE staying away due to the stewards/police policy and going away where its ok!!!

5: Take evidence from other away fans at the Walkers Messageboards complaining about our stewards

6: What the hell happened to our fans and the club we used to be one how can people in yellow and bright orange create so much upset..cos they dont know what there doing!!

[Shipman Out]

The line to chucking people out should be:

Throwing a object (say a coin at them annoying away fans when they score or at Lush's head)

Racist abuse this is totally unacceptable

Fighting with people around you

Running on to the playing area

other than that, thats it

Im going to the meeting others grow some balls and lets get this sorted out.

[lush]

1: Move the kop and FE around! Create home end atmosphere in kop better for kids/families must happen at the end of this season

2: Swearing/Gestures are part of being in a football crowd just cos we have a new stadium does not change this fact apart from the FE this should not be an offence

3: Throwing people out for standing/singing/supporting HAS TO STOP NOW

1, totally agree, but it will cause more harm than good.

2, i agree, but the club wont, and those fans that dont like it (and there is much more of them) also wont. Letting people use foul and abusive language will discourage people from coming. Its also an arrestable offence in football throughout britain. LCFC cannot agree to it alone.

3, i agree, but i doubt they do it without good cause.

[Guest]

A bit of common sense and consistency would be a start. Some stewards are great, most are a bunch of jobsworths getting of on a power trip.

The last time w played Villa, for example, I had a 'bit' of an outburst when the score got to 3-0. I could see what was going to happen, everyone else in the ground could see what was going to happen, and yet the jobsworth in our corner threatened to throw me out for shouting for the manager to 'Koff.

Now the parents of the kids that were sitting around us, and were supposedly offended, told this numpty where to go; "she's got a bit of passion, more than the players" and "she's got a **** point, so fock off and leave her alone", they were saying. In fact, the other stewards came and apologised to me, and said I had been unfairly threatened.

I honestly think the stewards who get of on throwing people out of matches either hate football or are failed referees, and just want to spoil everyone elses enjoyment.

[lush]

Ive never had a problem with a steward myself, but then i play by the rules and dont swear.

Its abit like swearing on this site, which you dont do Lisa, probably because you know the rules, and you respect mr c, so why swear at filbert way, why cant you hold your temper?

If you cant obey the rules, maybe you shouldnt go, for they will hold you to them, and they may eject you for breaking them.

Its not rocket science mate.

[Guest]

Ive never had a problem with a steward myself, but then i play by the rules and dont swear.

Its abit like swearing on this site, which you dont do Lisa, probably because you know the rules, and you respect mr c, so why swear at filbert way, why cant you hold your temper?

If you cant obey the rules, maybe you shouldnt go, for they will hold you to them, and they may eject you for breaking them.

Its not rocket science mate.

What's your definition of a swear word? Have you ever read anything by the first ever poet laureate? Even Shakespeare has used expletives in his work.

Words are just that, words. To me, a swear word emphasizes a point. For someone who bangs on about PC gone mad, to then suggest that swearing is wrong surprises me. I thought you were all for freedom of expression.