john_lcfc Posted 30 October 2005 Posted 30 October 2005 hi all got back from holiday yesterday.. we all know the stewards are well too power crazy in L1 but before i say my view what happened in the coventry game from a fans perspective? <_<
Guest Posted 30 October 2005 Posted 30 October 2005 Example, you think its fair to (for what of a better phrase or term) discriminate against a STH by charging non sth`s less for a game. That is WRONG! Are you still whinging about that?
lush Posted 30 October 2005 Posted 30 October 2005 Are you still whinging about that? Not quite, and i understand that that breaks your heart, but its more of stating a fact, but one in which you fail miserably to acknowledge. Heaven forbid one should question such a pathetic ideology on life. P.S. dont go to filbertway on thursday 15th novemebr and whinge, will ya
Guest Posted 30 October 2005 Posted 30 October 2005 Not quite, and i understand that that breaks your heart, but its more of stating a fact, but one in which you fail miserably to acknowledge. Heaven forbid one should question such a pathetic ideology on life. P.S. dont go to filbertway on thursday 15th novemebr and whinge, will ya For one so keen on "stating facts", you should get yours right first. Thursday 15th
Anish Posted 30 October 2005 Posted 30 October 2005 For one so keen on "stating facts", you should get yours right first. Thursday 15th
lush Posted 30 October 2005 Posted 30 October 2005 17th. So you going for a whinge Lisa? Have you appologised for insulting thousands of city fans yet?
Foxes_Trust Posted 30 October 2005 Author Posted 30 October 2005 Possibly run bu "A" trust, but definately not yours from the way you`ve behaved. I understand that your as passionette as me, but i feel your currently too far up lcfc`s arse, sorry, but thats the way you come accross mate. Dedicated fans wouldnt need to earn a wage by running our club. Your 2nd point, NO, N O, NO!! Just because players are paid money, doesnt mean those that "enlist" that ideology should do so aswell. You dont have to be paid to pay someone a fee. That thought explains why you dont realise YOUR position as a trust. There can only be one Trust for each club, its part of the Supporters Direct rules. This has caused a major issue in the case of AFC Wimbledon & MK Dons. If you don't like the way the Trust is run you would have to join it, stand for election & push for change (obviously you would need the backing of members to get elected & then persuade the fellow board members to adopt your ideas). In terms of running a club for no income, perhaps you should carry out some research on how many other clubs our size are in this position (& excluding those who have already made their fortune & don't need an income, so the club is their toy). Agreed it may be feasible at clubs in a lower League status than ourselves. FT, you fall into the trap of doing what you think you should do, not rather what you should do? Example, you think its fair to (for what of a better phrase or term) discriminate against a STH by charging non sth`s less for a game. That is WRONG! In an idea world, a football player would get paid a sensible wage, and the supporter would support that sensible wage. THAT, is what we fans should thrive to acheive. But hey, its a business, and if the masses are happy with that, then let them pay over the odds and suffer when they dont get value for money, which is more than 50% of the time. Blimey still going on about that one, so how many non ST's are getting in cheaper than ST's for the Southampton game then?. (ST's £13 say, members £19 minimum, casuals £22). Who did you say is getting the bad deal? Agree totally with your point on sensible & sustainable wages - that is what the club is also currently trying to achieve, with performance based payments forming a significant part of this.
lush Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 There can only be one Trust for each club, its part of the Supporters Direct rules. This has caused a major issue in the case of AFC Wimbledon & MK Dons. If you don't like the way the Trust is run you would have to join it, stand for election & push for change (obviously you would need the backing of members to get elected & then persuade the fellow board members to adopt your ideas). In terms of running a club for no income, perhaps you should carry out some research on how many other clubs our size are in this position (& excluding those who have already made their fortune & don't need an income, so the club is their toy). Agreed it may be feasible at clubs in a lower League status than ourselves. Blimey still going on about that one, so how many non ST's are getting in cheaper than ST's for the Southampton game then?. (ST's £13 say, members £19 minimum, casuals £22). Who did you say is getting the bad deal? Agree totally with your point on sensible & sustainable wages - that is what the club is also currently trying to achieve, with performance based payments forming a significant part of this. What makes you think LCFC needs a trust jeez, you believe your own press these days What is there to research? Its feasable in any business. Its like PROPER charity work, you know, work for nothing. Southampton game, none mate. Why didnt you mention the cov game THATS the game im onabout, and you know it. Considering the way in which you state southampton, just proves more and more that you dont care about the fans, as much as you say you do. Im a STH, and you mentioning them is seriously disrespectfull. I cant see only lcfc producing performance based payment that doesnt earn the players more or less what they get now. Maybe if ALL the clubs joined in, then agreed on a specific set rate, we might get somewhere. That is if we can also agree that clubs dont give out back handers. Can we ever trust paid people to tell us the truth? Can we have a look at the income in and out? I say, get dedicated FANS in there, who we can trust (not you, you`ve proven untrustable already) to run the club as much as poss. I`d trust Mr C, davieG and Thracian. Of all the people on this site, they seem the most dedicated, inteligent and trustworthy.
Nationwider Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 I say, get dedicated FANS in there, who we can trust (not you, you`ve proven untrustable already) to run the club as much as poss. I`d trust Mr C, davieG and Thracian. Of all the people on this site, they seem the most dedicated, inteligent and trustworthy. Come on you three. Get your wallets out - £500,000 each into the hat and away you go!
Guest Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 17th. So you going for a whinge Lisa? Have you appologised for insulting thousands of city fans yet? Apologise for what?
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 What makes you think LCFC needs a trust jeez, you believe your own press these days What is there to research? Its feasable in any business. Its like PROPER charity work, you know, work for nothing. I say, get dedicated FANS in there, who we can trust (not you, you`ve proven untrustable already) to run the club as much as poss. Classic. If there is a fan or group of fans who have the slightest clue how to run a football club AND the directors who put thier money in wanted people with little experience or skills running the place do you really think they should do it for free?? Why? Do you work for free? Maybe you could get a few of your mates together and do the Stewarding! That would save the club a fortune!
Foxes_Trust Posted 31 October 2005 Author Posted 31 October 2005 What makes you think LCFC needs a trust jeez, you believe your own press these days Every club needs a Trust, as it creates a method of direct dialogue with the club & if the relationship develops then a Trust person can attend club board meetings & in our case by on the Audit Committe so we have a deep insight on how theclub is being run. The Trust does not miss an opportunity to feedback to the club on any issue What is there to research? Its feasable in any business. Its like PROPER charity work, you know, work for nothing. The club is not a charity, its a business. Even charities have paid employees, particularly those running them Southampton game, none mate. Why didnt you mention the cov game THATS the game im onabout, and you know it. Considering the way in which you state southampton, just proves more and more that you dont care about the fans, as much as you say you do. Im a STH, and you mentioning them is seriously disrespectfull. You are obsessed with the price of one game, we look at all fans interests which includes encouraging casual fans to games. However we have always advised the club that its most loyal fans get priority & at £13 per game ST's have been given it over the course of a season I cant see only lcfc producing performance based payment that doesnt earn the players more or less what they get now. Maybe if ALL the clubs joined in, then agreed on a specific set rate, we might get somewhere. More & more clubs are going this route That is if we can also agree that clubs dont give out back handers. Can we ever trust paid people to tell us the truth? Can we have a look at the income in and out? I say, get dedicated FANS in there, who we can trust (not you, you`ve proven untrustable already) to run the club as much as poss. We see the monthly accounts & are now on the audit committee. The majority of City directors are dedicated City fans who went to most games prior to going on the board Prove to me why you believe the Trust can't be Trusted (& try something more original than the pricing policy of one game) I`d trust Mr C, davieG and Thracian. Of all the people on this site, they seem the most dedicated, inteligent and trustworthy. We would be quite happy if any of the above wishes to stand for the Trust board early next year
lush Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Classic. If there is a fan or group of fans who have the slightest clue how to run a football club AND the directors who put thier money in wanted people with little experience or skills running the place do you really think they should do it for free?? Why? Do you work for free? Maybe you could get a few of your mates together and do the Stewarding! That would save the club a fortune! Does LCFC, HAVE to be a business from top to bottom?
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Does LCFC, HAVE to be a business from top to bottom? Unfortunately yes. Otherwise they won't survive. Why should professional players get paid a shedload and the professional staff behind the scenes not get paid? And on the question of STH paying more for a game you can't compare an average price with a one off price. The whole point of the season ticket is savings over a season. Maybe that is too logical for you?
lush Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Every club needs a Trust, as it creates a method of direct dialogue with the club & if the relationship develops then a Trust person can attend club board meetings & in our case by on the Audit Committe so we have a deep insight on how theclub is being run. The Trust does not miss an opportunity to feedback to the club on any issue Even charities have paid employees, particularly those running them we look at all fans interests which includes encouraging casual fans to games. However we have always advised the club that its most loyal fans get priority & at £13 per game ST's have been given it over the course of a season More & more clubs are going this route We see the monthly accounts & are now on the audit committee. Prove to me why you believe the Trust can't be Trusted (& try something more original than the pricing policy of one game) We would be quite happy if any of the above wishes to stand for the Trust board early next year A trust can help, but we didnt have one for 100 years. You discriminated against sth`s, that makes YOUR trust a bad thing. Without a "trust", the people who work at lcfc could relay to us what you do. Your just an expensive go-between in that sense. Like you explained to me before, if i have a complaint, either tell you, or tell the club. No need for you then. Professional football as it is, means we have to pay players etc. But fans could run the club in other areas for free, for the love of. You do love lcfc dont you? More spin from FT, "£13 over the season" your well on your way to becoming a minister Your WRONG, you know your WRONG, and just like a coward, you wont admit it. SHAME knows your NAME! Have you got the policy of this performance related player earnings? I think personally, it doesnt exist, because clubs know they cant successfully implement it, but they just use you to make the masses think their doing a good job. Have you published the monthly accounts? You spin, you have prooved your discriminatory qualifications. You have a dangerous voice, but one in which falls inplace no doubt with the other board members. I dont see any of them on this site? Would you be happy to lose your place completely to someone else, had they got better qualifications? What is your place?
lush Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Unfortunately yes. Otherwise they won't survive. Why should professional players get paid a shedload and the professional staff behind the scenes not get paid? Why wouldnt we survive? Can you find people to play for free? Dedicated fans might LOVE to spend time running the club for free plus expensies.
Guest Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 One game, one sodding game, and still he goes on....
davieG Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 QUOTE(lush @ Oct 31 2005, 12:06 AM) I`d trust Mr C, davieG and Thracian. Of all the people on this site, they seem the most dedicated, inteligent and trustworthy. We would be quite happy if any of the above wishes to stand for the Trust board early next year Err, no thanks as a Trust member I believe the Trust is doing a very good job in very difficult circumstances. Their task would become much easier if the moaning LCFC fans got off their collective arses and became members. This would not only give the Trust the 'muscle' to influence and initiate change they would also have a much clearer idea of what the majority of the fans want. I have disagreed with the Trust in a few cases but take the view that they must consider the majority and therefore may take a different line to the one I prefer, we are never ever going to have 100% concensus on specific points, we can't even agree on who should be playing wherein the team never mind all the other stuff. The same applies to the Fans Consultative Forum (sorry can't remember it's formal name) they can't please everyone but they and the Trust deserve support not the ongoing denouncement, if anyone thinks they can do better they should put up or shut up. Sure have a view on things but if they can't achieve it on your behalf it's not because they don't care it's because it's not the majority view, they can't prove it's the majority view or it's not accepted by the club as viable.
Katy Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 One game, one sodding game, and still he goes on.... He already admitted to Cobbo via PM that he was wrong (ie HE said that the Debate over to him) so why is he still wittering on about it now? (hyperthetical question) Im so very fecking bored of all this crap.
Guest Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 He already admitted to Cobbo via PM that he was wrong (ie HE said that the Debate over to him) so why is he still wittering on about it now? (hyperthetical question) Im so very fecking bored of all this crap. I still want to know what I'm supposed to be apologising for. I'm distraught that I've offended the many thousands of City fans, and can't think what I've done to upset so many. Unable to listen to The Moan-In, where no doubt I've been slagged off to high hell, or haven't read any letters in the Mockery, I would like some enlightenment.
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Why wouldnt we survive? Can you find people to play for free? Dedicated fans might LOVE to spend time running the club for free plus expensies. Because we would run out of money. Yes. I can say with 100% confidence I could find people to play for city for free. (I would for a start. And I'm sure a few of the 20,000 who watch city regularly would.) The same as you could round up a few people to run the club for free. Do you want to see the calibre of players who would play for free trying to keep us in the Championship? Or get us promoted? No? Well most sensible people wouldn't want the calibre of staff who would work for free trying to keep the club running smoothly either. Don't be a fool. If you want decent staff you have to pay them decent salaries.
Manwell Pablo Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 I cant actually belive this topic is still open!! Lush u cant be far off an RSI. Weekend of peace not having to listen to ur dirvle mate
lush Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Because we would run out of money. I never suggested not taking revenue. In the modern "game", certain people need to be paid, but its possible some wouldnt have to. The business earnings would still exist.
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 I never suggested not taking revenue. In the modern "game", certain people need to be paid, but its possible some wouldnt have to. The business earnings would still exist. Next you'll be saying the government shouldn't be paid. Surely there are volunteers out there who could do it!! Who needs the police! We should all just do one shift a month with a big stick and hit people who break the law! Brilliant.
lush Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Example: If you & 10 others could spend sufficent hours doing the job instead of say, tim davies, for nothing but expensies, would that benefit the club financially?
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