Five day junior doc’s strike

[Parafox]

4 hours ago, Parafox said:

For the record:

 

Who are ‘junior doctors’?

People who have qualified from medical school, but are still training to become specialists, are commonly known as “junior doctors”. During this period, they are doctors who work with patients under the supervision of a more senior doctor, usually a consultant.

It is not true, as one post seems to claim, that people need to do foundation training and specialist training “to become a doctor”. People become doctors when they complete a medical degree, and go on to be provisionally registered with a licence to practise while completing their first year of foundation training.

This post also said that a doctor’s starting salary is £28,274. This is the minimum figure for the 2002 contract, which in England is closed to new entrants, so no new doctors would receive it.

What are they paid?

According to the latest workforce data, there were 72,318 people working in NHS England, whether full- or part-time, within the four broad grades considered to make up “junior doctors”.

• - 7,738 in Foundation Year 1, 2023/24 basic pay £32,397
• - 7,159 in Foundation Year 2, 2023/24 basic pay £37,303
• - 21,239 in Core Training, 2023/24 basic pay £43,922
• - 36,182 as Specialty Registrars, 2023/24 basic pay £55,328-63,162

Doctors receive rates of basic pay according to their position in a more complex system of pay bands, but the amount that each one earns over the course of a year, or per hour for the work they do, varies from doctor to doctor—according to how much overtime they do, where they work, how many unsocial hours they work, and other factors.

In 2023/24, the basic annual pay for a first-year junior doctor in England is £32,397, after the government also announced a pay rise for junior doctors of 6% plus £1,250 each. This began to be paid in autumn 2023, backdated to April.

With the hourly pay formula used by the British Medical Association (BMA) last year, this works out at basic pay for the most junior doctors of £15.53 per hour.

However, the average or typical junior doctor is not in their first year, and therefore earns much more, even in basic pay.

NHS Digital workforce and earnings data suggests that the average full-time junior doctor in the year to September 2023 earned basic pay of about £44,500.

Half of these earnings happened in the previous financial year, so the average for 2023/24 will be higher. This figure also does not include any extra earnings, which typically increase junior doctors’ earnings by about a third, some of which comes from working extra hours.

For comparison:

 

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[MPH]

On 27/06/2024 at 02:31, Tommy G said:

35% payrise  

 

 

 

 

 

ask for 35% get 20% most likely,

 

ask for 20 only get 10

[MPH]

I can categorically say that Jr Drs do a LOT of the donkey work in hospitals. They work incredibly hard and very long hrs. I have so much sympathy for them . They deserve far more than they earn. They work long hrs .. way more than 40 in a week and  they don’t get paid for overtime..

 

im very interested to know what the outcome of this is… I’m suspecting some skullduggery tactics on behalf of the NHS. Whoever is negotiating on behalf of the Drs will need to read the clauses and contract very very carefully. Without a sizeable increase in the NHS budget, i  feel like the NHS will try and get some of the pay increase back in other ways..

[Daggers]

6 hours ago, FoxyPV said:

 

No one can promise anything due to the stage in the election but it still puts pressure on the prospective labour govt 

Not as much as the pressure it puts on my wife and her colleagues - and the pressures it places on their families - and the pressure it lumps on to patients who suffer further delays and lower quality ED care. 
 

Everyone is aware of the situation. The purpose of striking is to push a recalcitrant employer to the table - that is the Tories. Striking to force a future employer to the table is simply fvcking mental. [*liberty taken with the term employer]
 

This latest action has lost them a shit ton of support and good will because it just wasn’t necessary and is completely pointless. As has been said, funny how it coincides with Glasto. [*I’m being flippant]

 

 

[Fox92]

On 27/06/2024 at 15:11, Tommy G said:

Thanks for letting me know you don’t stay on the same pay forever when you take your first job. 

Thanks for not reading correctly.

Edited 1 July 2024 by Fox92

[Parafox]

I'm glad I've retired.

 

I've talked to previous colleagues who, during the strikes, found their shifts extended to, in some cases 18 hours, due to the backlog created by the delays in A&E caused by the lack of junior doctors.

 

They mostly supported the doctors but it's not just patients and their families who suffer the consequences.

 

Edit: I tried rewriting this using the Microsoft Co-Pilot AI editor. The result made me come across as quite intelligent (which is pretty artificial).

Edited 1 July 2024 by Parafox