golden gordon Posted 14 August 2006 Posted 14 August 2006 just to be cheerful, what's your thoughts on this issue? i'm in favour of it if life gets too bad, i'd like to make my own decision. on C5 tomorrow at 7-15 there is a programme to discuss it, should be intresting http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1773
Daggers Posted 14 August 2006 Posted 14 August 2006 just to be cheerful, what's your thoughts on this issue? i'm in favour of it if life gets too bad, i'd like to make my own decision. on C5 tomorrow at 7-15 there is a programme to discuss it, should be intresting http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1773 I'd like to be able to top myself with morphine should the need arise. The mother-in-law had the Big C and it really wasn't nice. I wouldn't like the same thing for the same duration, I don't have her fortitude. The legal problem seems to lie in our Christian roots. There should be a legal opt out for non-Christians like ourselves.
golden gordon Posted 14 August 2006 Author Posted 14 August 2006 good point about the religious stance, and they say their beliefs don't affect the rest of us. Obviously not true on this issue is it?
The People's Hero Posted 14 August 2006 Posted 14 August 2006 Linking to the Daily Mail? What are you thinking?
golden gordon Posted 14 August 2006 Author Posted 14 August 2006 Linking to the Daily Mail? What are you thinking? sorry TPH
The People's Hero Posted 14 August 2006 Posted 14 August 2006 sorry TPH No problem - I trust you won't be doing it again?
Daggers Posted 14 August 2006 Posted 14 August 2006 I think it has its pros and cons I have rethought, I'm with Maybes...mainly because I've always wanted to write: Yea, what he said!
The People's Hero Posted 14 August 2006 Posted 14 August 2006 I think in every single case it should be put to a panel of 100 people.
Parsons Posted 14 August 2006 Posted 14 August 2006 i can that if it was legall to assist in suicide there will be alot of murderers running around and getting away with it because they pleaded suicide assistant. maybe they would need like a suicide note signed my the suicidee or something anyway not that it would ever be legal anyway
Thracian Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 There are complex aspects to this but as a basic principle there is absolutely no doubt to me that any adult should be able to benefit from accommodated/assisted suicide due to severe illness/incapacity if that is their provenly declared wish. It is their life. Even if the insurers make out otherwise and constantly try to restrict/control people's freedoms to further line their own pockets.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 good point about the religious stance, and they say their beliefs don't affect the rest of us. Obviously not true on this issue is it? I'm sure some would insist that it's more of a moral argument. I imagine most people think doing a crap in someone's mouth while they're asleep and taking a picture is wrong, regardless of whether Christians would do it or not.
Dr The Singh Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 There are complex aspects to this but as a basic principle there is absolutely no doubt to me that any adult should be able to benefit from accommodated/assisted suicide due to severe illness/incapacity if that is their provenly declared wish. It is their life. Even if the insurers make out otherwise and constantly try to restrict/control people's freedoms to further line their own pockets. Agreed Thracian, but to add, there is an issue whereby a patiant may not be deemed by medical experts that such conditions are extreme enough, and there are those patients that are not concious enough or in a sane position to make that decision, so should the family decide in those matters. Anyhow it's a very complicated issue one that must include input from medical experts, patient and family members, if not a panel!!!!
Katy Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 If I was terminally ill and in tremendous pain I would want to be put out of my misery, why shouldn't you have a tiny bit of control at the end of your life? I think if I was diagnosed with an illness that would lead me eventually towards death, then I would make my wishes clear. Get it signed in front of witness and be able to say when I think the time has come so no one gets done for 'murder' (as in the Emmerdale storyline at the moment) As for assisting someone else? Im not sure I could pull that particular trigger, even if they wanted me to, I hope never to be in that situation though God forbid and all that.
golden gordon Posted 15 August 2006 Author Posted 15 August 2006 I'm sure some would insist that it's more of a moral argument. I imagine most people think doing a crap in someone's mouth while they're asleep and taking a picture is wrong, regardless of whether Christians would do it or not. yes i agree it is a "moral" argument , but would christians and other religions let the debate run solely on reasoned argument without recourse to references to "holy" teachings in their chosen faith? Somehow i don't think one would be very far into any moral discussion before believers in any faith would be tempted to dictate , using religious texts and "god's word" as an argument. This i believe could be relevant to an individual's choice but not to making laws regarding this issue
golden gordon Posted 15 August 2006 Author Posted 15 August 2006 If I was terminally ill and in tremendous pain I would want to be put out of my misery, why shouldn't you have a tiny bit of control at the end of your life? I think if I was diagnosed with an illness that would lead me eventually towards death, then I would make my wishes clear. Get it signed in front of witness and be able to say when I think the time has come so no one gets done for 'murder' (as in the Emmerdale storyline at the moment) As for assisting someone else? Im not sure I could pull that particular trigger, even if they wanted me to, I hope never to be in that situation though God forbid and all that. This is why i believe the individual concerned should be empowered beforehand . I think there should be foundations set up where individuals can spend their last few days/ hours alive with their loved ones and doctors/staff who could be proactive in shortening the misery.
Daggers Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 I'm sure some would insist that it's more of a moral argument. I imagine most people think doing a crap in someone's mouth while they're asleep and taking a picture is wrong, regardless of whether Christians would do it or not. The simple fact is that the legal system is a relic of a Christian age ~ and any and every debate in England regarding life or death entails Christians attempting to adopt a moral high ground. The Church maintains too strong an influence on law making considering its irrelevance to the majority of UK citizens. A humanist approach is a common sense approach, and the logical path to follow...not one founded in a dogmatic doctrine underpinned by the unproven and unprovable. Modern life is still being crapped on by faith, to use your analogy.
Shum Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 I think you should be able to decide on your own fate, but you should not be able to decide for others.
golden gordon Posted 15 August 2006 Author Posted 15 August 2006 I think you should be able to decide on your own fate, but you should not be able to decide for others. some may argue that we have already done that by legalising abortion,
Knighton Matt Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 If I was terminally ill and in tremendous pain I would want to be put out of my misery, why shouldn't you have a tiny bit of control at the end of your life? I think if I was diagnosed with an illness that would lead me eventually towards death, then I would make my wishes clear. Get it signed in front of witness and be able to say when I think the time has come so no one gets done for 'murder' (as in the Emmerdale storyline at the moment) As for assisting someone else? Im not sure I could pull that particular trigger, even if they wanted me to, I hope never to be in that situation though God forbid and all that. Think you make a good point here Katy. If I was a doctor there's no way I would deliberately end someone's life whether it is legal or not. Everyone is talking about the role of doctors as if they were machines but I'm sure many would object to this. It's against the hippocratic oath for starters not to mention the moral consequences.
Thracian Posted 15 August 2006 Posted 15 August 2006 Think you make a good point here Katy. If I was a doctor there's no way I would deliberately end someone's life whether it is legal or not. Everyone is talking about the role of doctors as if they were machines but I'm sure many would object to this. It's against the hippocratic oath for starters not to mention the moral consequences. Doctors have done it for years. I know that for a fact. Those who object don't. Rather than deliberately ending someone's life, the end is already certain and the doctor merely gives his patient some peace and dignity. As for the moralisations - they are merely opinions - and I don't believe anyone has the right to moralise for someone else. Even parents should only provide guidance - they have no right to dictate the morals of others, not even their own.
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