Libertine Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Inspired by the biscuit thread, I got thinking of the ULTIMATE DEBATE. Is a Jaffa Cake a cake or a biscuit? Obviously they are called Jaffa 'Cakes', but many people choose them as their favourite 'biscuit'. What do you think?
Wils Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 I think there a cake,the base is softer than most biscuits
Libertine Posted 28 August 2006 Author Posted 28 August 2006 I think there a cake,the base is softer than most biscuits Good point, well made.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Spin-offs are never better than the original It's definitely a biscuit masquerading as a cake. There's no way you could have a Jaffa Cake as a birthday cake or wedding cake but if someone says "would you like a biscuit with your tea?", you wouldn't look at them funny if they offered you a Jaffa Cake.
Libertine Posted 28 August 2006 Author Posted 28 August 2006 Spin-offs are never better than the original It's definitely a biscuit masquerading as a cake. There's no way you could have a Jaffa Cake as a birthday cake or wedding cake but if someone says "would you like a biscuit with your tea?", you wouldn't look at them funny if they offered you a Jaffa Cake. I would. I'd accept though, obviously.
Nationwider Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 I'll end this now, as I'm FoxesTalk's leading authority on cake, bar none. The Jaffa Cake is a cake. Cake goes hard when old. Biscuits go soft when old. This has been decided in a court of law. The Battenburg is the King of Cakes. Kneel at the foot of yellow and pink and marzipan goodness. Now I must rest.
Dr The Singh Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 I'll end this now, as I'm FoxesTalk's leading authority on cake, bar none. The Jaffa Cake is a cake. Cake goes hard when old. Biscuits go soft when old. This has been decided in a court of law. The Battenburg is the King of Cakes. Kneel at the foot of yellow and pink and marzipan goodness. Now I must rest. Uhum....I would think am the leading expert having been working for europes largest cake manufacture's!!!!! But I agree, Battenburg is a great cake. I myself prefer tarts!!!!!
Nationwider Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Uhum....I would think am the leading expert having been working for europes largest cake manufacture's!!!!! But I agree, Battenburg is a great cake. I myself prefer tarts!!!!! Only one way to settle this, Singh. A Cake-a-thon - last man standing wins! There's nothing wrong with a tart every now and again. Or a chocolate finger.
lookwhaticando Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Uhum....I would think am the leading expert having been working for europes largest cake manufacture's!!!!! But I agree, Battenburg is a great cake. I myself prefer tarts!!!!! We're not discussing whores again are we? :laugh: I always considered a jaffa cake a biscuit. Just because of the way they are packed and presented. The fact that they are soft is neither here nor there. The true test of whether something is a biscuit or not, is to ask the question: Do people dunk their [something] in their tea? And the answer for Jaffa Cakes is: Yes, they do! So Jaffa Cakes are really biscuits.
lookwhaticando Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Now watch as someone uses my fuzzy logic to classify a certain type of cake as a biscuit I bet Nationwider dunks his Battenburg :laugh:
Lemon Harpic Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Nationwider is right. Cakes are considered luxury items and not subject to VAT. Choclate biscuits are subject to VAT. So, McVities argued successfully against HM Customs and Exise that Jaffa Cakes are cakes because they go hard when you leave them in a room whereas biscuits go soft. Therefore, Jaffa Cakes are legally cakes. It was on an episode of QI.
Alexikokopops Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 I'll end this now, as I'm FoxesTalk's leading authority on cake, bar none. The Jaffa Cake is a cake. Cake goes hard when old. Biscuits go soft when old. This has been decided in a court of law. The Battenburg is the King of Cakes. Kneel at the foot of yellow and pink and marzipan goodness. Now I must rest. Nationwider is right. Cakes are considered luxury items and not subject to VAT. Choclate biscuits are subject to VAT. So, McVities argued successfully against HM Customs and Exise that Jaffa Cakes are cakes because they go hard when you leave them in a room whereas biscuits go soft. Therefore, Jaffa Cakes are legally cakes. It was on an episode of QI. You guys beat me to it. My friend told me this and then I saw the episode of QI the Lemon Harpic mentions. However, that's slightly wrong, biscuits and cakes aren't considered luxery items but chocolate covered biscuits are, hence VAT is charged on them.
Libertine Posted 28 August 2006 Author Posted 28 August 2006 I remember I saw it on QI too. 'Tis indeed, quite interesting.
cisono Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Inspired by the biscuit thread, I got thinking of the ULTIMATE DEBATE. Is a Jaffa Cake a cake or a biscuit? Obviously they are called Jaffa 'Cakes', but many people choose them as their favourite 'biscuit'. What do you think? Although they are technically cakes (and feel like cakes, spongy and all that), they are shaped like a biscuit and most people have one when they feel like a biscuit, not a cake (I would argue). However, the most important point about jaffa cakes is the deterioration in their nutritional quality. Some time ago, only sugar was used to sweeten them, but now a fructose-glucose mix is used in all the brands I have chequed, much to my dismay (meaning I have had to give them up. My pleads to Asda and McVities simply went unanswered). Although they both claim that the glucose-fructose is not the "high" variety that has been linked with the obesity epidemic in the States, why take unnecessary risks?!?!
golden gordon Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 no vat on them so they are bicuits , cakes are vat charged
cisono Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 no vat on them so they are bicuits , cakes are vat charged There wouldn't be much VAT payable on 33p cakes anyway
Guest Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Although they are technically cakes (and feel like cakes, spongy and all that), they are shaped like a biscuit and most people have one when they feel like a biscuit, not a cake (I would argue).However, the most important point about jaffa cakes is the deterioration in their nutritional quality. Some time ago, only sugar was used to sweeten them, but now a fructose-glucose mix is used in all the brands I have chequed, much to my dismay (meaning I have had to give them up. My pleads to Asda and McVities simply went unanswered). Although they both claim that the glucose-fructose is not the "high" variety that has been linked with the obesity epidemic in the States, why take unnecessary risks?!?! You mean I will get fatter?
cisono Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 You mean I will get fatter? I hope not. Perhaps you can join me in my crusade to have Jaffa Cakes restored to their original recipe
Northants Fox Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 I hope not. Perhaps you can join me in my crusade to have Jaffa Cakes restored to their original recipe What? They've changed them?
Alexikokopops Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Although they are technically cakes (and feel like cakes, spongy and all that), they are shaped like a biscuit and most people have one when they feel like a biscuit, not a cake (I would argue). However, the most important point about jaffa cakes is the deterioration in their nutritional quality. Some time ago, only sugar was used to sweeten them, but now a fructose-glucose mix is used in all the brands I have chequed, much to my dismay (meaning I have had to give them up. My pleads to Asda and McVities simply went unanswered). Although they both claim that the glucose-fructose is not the "high" variety that has been linked with the obesity epidemic in the States, why take unnecessary risks?!?! What? They've changed them?
cisono Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 Cheers Alex. Some people just don't get round to reading all the posts
Guest Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 I hope not. Perhaps you can join me in my crusade to have Jaffa Cakes restored to their original recipe Only if we can keep the lemon and lime flavour.Sorry, I'm weak.
Northants Fox Posted 28 August 2006 Posted 28 August 2006 I did read the posts, but i didn't read them all properly.
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