Alexikokopops Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Well, if the tax-payers on this site aren't satisfied with an answer like that then I don't know what would please them! See this tax-payers, Ikokopops hasn't been spending his student days in a subsidised bar or goofing off lectures But wait, I have more: Stereotypes of PM and HRM (as ‘philosophies’) (based on model p507 in Guest, D. (1987) ‘Human resource management and industrial relations’, Journal of Management Studies, 24: 5, September, 503-21.) Personnel Management HRM Time and planning ST, reactive, ad hoc, marginal LT, proactive, strategic, integrated Psychological contract Compliance Commitment Control systems External controls Self-control Employee relations Pluralist, collectivised, low trust Unitarist, individualised, high trust Preferred structure/systems Bureaucratic/mechanistic, centralised, Organic, devolved, flexible formalised Roles Specialist, professional Line management Evaluation criteria Cost minimisation Maximum utilisation Never have I goofed off a lecture, NEVER
Alexikokopops Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 It worked fine in the preview, obviously that's a bit wider.
syston_fox Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Just about to start my final year studying accounting and finance at De Montfort uni
lookwhaticando Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Just a question for anyone/everyone else in this topic... Is Business/HR the course that the majority of students take, over there? It just seems to me there's quite a few of you taking Business and HR courses (as is my best friend @ Northampton). Over here in Ottawa, and probably the rest of Canada too, in fact, half the university population seems to be taking a course in Psychology. It's almost like the default choice - you decide you want to go to university, and end up taking psychology.
Sigma Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 "D" Montfort Should be finished my graduate program just before Christmas if all goes well.
Daggers Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Just a question for anyone/everyone else in this topic... Is Business/HR the course that the majority of students take, over there? It just seems to me there's quite a few of you taking Business and HR courses (as is my best friend @ Northampton). Over here in Ottawa, and probably the rest of Canada too, in fact, half the university population seems to be taking a course in Psychology. It's almost like the default choice - you decide you want to go to university, and end up taking psychology. Admission to university is down 4.7% this year as they introduced a £3000p/a tuition fee. This means that students have started being more picky about what they do in order to earn a debt of £15-20K. Sociology, History and the Sciences have seen a drop again this year whereas Business rose by 13% on last year. I think it is sad because the nation needs graduates from all disciplines (...well, all bar sociology ).
Nationwider Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 I think it is sad because the nation needs graduates from all disciplines (...well, all bar sociology ). And Media Studies.
lookwhaticando Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Admission to university is down 4.7% this year as they introduced a £3000p/a tuition fee. This means that students have started being more picky about what they do in order to earn a debt of £15-20K. Sociology, History and the Sciences have seen a drop again this year whereas Business rose by 13% on last year. I think it is sad because the nation needs graduates from all disciplines (...well, all bar sociology ). Shame really - Maths and Sciences (especially) really need more numbers (ha ha, no pun intended) As you say, we need more graduates in most disciplines. Oddly enough, there's been tuition fees for a long time here, and they rise quite a bit (5% increase this year for domestic tuition in Ontario). But the fact that you have to pay for tuition, and build up a lovely stack of unservicable debt by the time you're 21-23, hasn't stopped people doing Psychology/Sociology. If my projections are to be believed, 25% of Canada's population will have a degree in Sociology/Psychology in ten years time.
Stevosevic Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Just a question for anyone/everyone else in this topic... Is Business/HR the course that the majority of students take, over there? It just seems to me there's quite a few of you taking Business and HR courses (as is my best friend @ Northampton). Over here in Ottawa, and probably the rest of Canada too, in fact, half the university population seems to be taking a course in Psychology. It's almost like the default choice - you decide you want to go to university, and end up taking psychology. How different is university or college in the states and Canada? i have heard that students dont just concentrate on the one subject for the 3/4 years and they take a variety of subjects, is that true? i also get the impression that over there, if someone doesnt go to uni they are buggered, unlike here, is it like that? also what qualifications do you do at the end of high school? sorry about all the questions chears though
Stevosevic Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 And Media Studies. I also hear that are courses such as cheese appreciation and degrees about David Beckham, obviously only one or two universities offer these courses but what a waste of time.
vanfox12 Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Just a question for anyone/everyone else in this topic... Is Business/HR the course that the majority of students take, over there? It just seems to me there's quite a few of you taking Business and HR courses (as is my best friend @ Northampton). Over here in Ottawa, and probably the rest of Canada too, in fact, half the university population seems to be taking a course in Psychology. It's almost like the default choice - you decide you want to go to university, and end up taking psychology. Have ever noticed how most people who do Psychology don't work in a related field such as social work.
Daggers Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 If my projections are to be believed, 25% of Canada's population will have a degree in Sociology/Psychology in ten years time. That could prove to be very important - as 9/10's of the Canadians I have met or known are certifiably madder than BSE-ridden cow.
vanfox12 Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 I also hear that are courses such as cheese appreciation and degrees about David Beckham, obviously only one or two universities offer these courses but what a waste of time. In relation the David Beckham degree i think it has more to do with the "cult of Celebrity" with David Beckham being the thesis for someones dissertation. Then again all degrees are a waste of time if you don't get a well paid job if you're going to follow that line of thinking. If the Tony Blair wants 50% of all students to go university where are the jobs to meet this demand.
Daggers Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 If the Tony Blair wants 50% of all students to go university where are the jobs to meet this demand. Good question - because they sure as shit don't exist in Nursing anymore! There's plenty of vacancies in Physics/Teaching Physics tho...
lookwhaticando Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 How different is university or college in the states and Canada? i have heard that students dont just concentrate on the one subject for the 3/4 years and they take a variety of subjects, is that true? i also get the impression that over there, if someone doesnt go to uni they are buggered, unlike here, is it like that? also what qualifications do you do at the end of high school? sorry about all the questions chears though In Ontario you stay in high school until you're 18 - and you graduate (assuming you complete all requirements appropriately) with an OSSD (Ontario Secondary School Diploma). This is what you need to get into university (so in theory it's A-level qualification, even though you do 6 or more credits in your final year, not just 4 (?)) From high school, you can go on to get your usual college diplomas in many fields (from being a mechanic to being a photonics engineer). This is the 'applied' route - you learn real skills for certain jobs. Very cushy if you like that kinda thing. Or you go into University to do a Bachelor's degree (usually, sometimes Associate's degree depending on the program). This is all your theory stuff. Also very cushy, if you like that kinda thing. Once in university, you're set out a list of requirements to fulfill - mostly in your own field, but often you take many many credits in other areas of study too. For example, in my Bachelor of Mathematics degree (major in Statistics) you do 8 credits (anywhere between 8 and 16 'classes') in mathematics/statistics. 7 of these credits must be the 7 credits they tell you to do. The other one credit can be anything in the mathematics field at 2000 level or above (ie. Second year courses). Additionally, I'm required to take 7 other credits outside my field. Including 1 credit in natural sciences (biology, chemistry, physics and a few others), 2 credits in approved social sciences (this is the widest 'field' of all, you can do things like economics, business studies, psychology, philosophy, political science, sociology and more). I also have four credits free elective. Free electives can literally be anything (assuming it's not listed as a course you're not allowed to have credit for... ) Some of my free credits include economics (a credit that was surplus to requirements in the social sciences requirement), Spanish, Computer Science and Earth Sciences (Natural Disasters course). Some programs (usually honours courses) require much less study outside your own field, but in all programs I know of, you do study at least some credits outside your own field! As for being shafted if you don't go to university, I don't think that's the case, as far as I know. Plenty of people attend college instead and learn something practical rather than theoretical and seem to do well enough for themselves. Funnily enough, if going to university is a requirement of success, I'm wondering who the hell needs all these friggin' psychology degree students... there can't be a requirement for that many psychologists!
Simon Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Admission to university is down 4.7% this year as they introduced a £3000p/a tuition fee. This means that students have started being more picky about what they do in order to earn a debt of £15-20K. Sociology, History and the Sciences have seen a drop again this year whereas Business rose by 13% on last year. I think it is sad because the nation needs graduates from all disciplines (...well, all bar sociology ). Ouch! Whats wrong with sociology? Taught me more about the world then GCSE Maths ever did!
lookwhaticando Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 I also hear that are courses such as cheese appreciation and degrees about David Beckham, obviously only one or two universities offer these courses but what a waste of time. Windsurfing is a famous recent addition at a particular institution (don't recall which one, though) Have ever noticed how most people who do Psychology don't work in a related field such as social work. 99.9% of them. FACT. That's what baffles me... you spend 3 or 4 years studying in a field such as Sociology, and then go and do something completely unrelating to your supposed skills. I shouldn't be saying anything, though, I'm doing statistics, and I've not the foggiest f/cking clue what I'm going to do with myself when I'm done! Still, at least a degree in mathematics is quite broad, whereas a degree in sociology is sorta narrow in comparison... or that's my view of it anyhoo That could prove to be very important - as 9/10's of the Canadians I have met or known are certifiably madder than BSE-ridden cow. :laugh: :laugh: It's funny actually, as I posted in the organ donor topic, they don't want my blood or organs because they think I'm the CJD/BSE-ridden nutcase.
Daggers Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Whats wrong with sociology? The fact that you don't know the answer to that sums up the degree
Simon Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 The fact that you don't know the answer to that sums up the degree Oh- I see...
Stevosevic Posted 5 September 2006 Posted 5 September 2006 In Ontario you stay in high school until you're 18 - and you graduate (assuming you complete all requirements appropriately) with an OSSD (Ontario Secondary School Diploma). This is what you need to get into university (so in theory it's A-level qualification, even though you do 6 or more credits in your final year, not just 4 (?)) From high school, you can go on to get your usual college diplomas in many fields (from being a mechanic to being a photonics engineer). This is the 'applied' route - you learn real skills for certain jobs. Very cushy if you like that kinda thing. Or you go into University to do a Bachelor's degree (usually, sometimes Associate's degree depending on the program). This is all your theory stuff. Also very cushy, if you like that kinda thing. Once in university, you're set out a list of requirements to fulfill - mostly in your own field, but often you take many many credits in other areas of study too. For example, in my Bachelor of Mathematics degree (major in Statistics) you do 8 credits (anywhere between 8 and 16 'classes') in mathematics/statistics. 7 of these credits must be the 7 credits they tell you to do. The other one credit can be anything in the mathematics field at 2000 level or above (ie. Second year courses). Additionally, I'm required to take 7 other credits outside my field. Including 1 credit in natural sciences (biology, chemistry, physics and a few others), 2 credits in approved social sciences (this is the widest 'field' of all, you can do things like economics, business studies, psychology, philosophy, political science, sociology and more). I also have four credits free elective. Free electives can literally be anything (assuming it's not listed as a course you're not allowed to have credit for... ) Some of my free credits include economics (a credit that was surplus to requirements in the social sciences requirement), Spanish, Computer Science and Earth Sciences (Natural Disasters course). Some programs (usually honours courses) require much less study outside your own field, but in all programs I know of, you do study at least some credits outside your own field! As for being shafted if you don't go to university, I don't think that's the case, as far as I know. Plenty of people attend college instead and learn something practical rather than theoretical and seem to do well enough for themselves. Funnily enough, if going to university is a requirement of success, I'm wondering who the hell needs all these friggin' psychology degree students... there can't be a requirement for that many psychologists! thats interesting, thanks for the stuff it sound as if your degrees seem to be harder than the ones over here. i also didnt think the view that if you didnt go to university you were buggered was true, thanks for clearing that up.
lookwhaticando Posted 5 September 2006 Posted 5 September 2006 thats interesting, thanks for the stuff it sound as if your degrees seem to be harder than the ones over here. i also didnt think the view that if you didnt go to university you were buggered was true, thanks for clearing that up. I wouldn't assume ours are harder than the ones offered in the UK. I don't have the experience of both sides to be able to proclaim one way or another which degrees are more difficult, and certainly wouldn't hazzard a guess without such knowledge... and nor should you. One thing's for sure, we seem to be required to spread ourselves out a bit more (the girls especially :laugh: ) to get our degree. That doesn't make them more difficult (if anything, it may make them easier - your free credits are generally quite open - so you just look for a piss easy course and get a good grade in it to boost your averages!)
DaveyJ Posted 5 September 2006 Posted 5 September 2006 I wouldn't assume ours are harder than the ones offered in the UK. I don't have the experience of both sides to be able to proclaim one way or another which degrees are more difficult, and certainly wouldn't hazzard a guess without such knowledge... and nor should you. One thing's for sure, we seem to be required to spread ourselves out a bit more (the girls especially :laugh: ) to get our degree. That doesn't make them more difficult (if anything, it may make them easier - your free credits are generally quite open - so you just look for a piss easy course and get a good grade in it to boost your averages!) I like the idea of not having to focus solely on one course, but the amount of courses you have to do seems a lot! Am I right in thinking (from your post) that if you were doing humanities you wouldbe forced to do something in scienes? - I don;t know if I could cope with that, the best thing about A-Levels for me was no more science or maths. As this thread is asking about students... I'm starting at St Andrews a week on saturday; doing Theology. The Scottish system seems a little like a cross between the Canadian model and the English model, in that your encouraged to take modules form within your faculty (i.e. humanities or siences) that aren't part of your main 'school'. So in addition to theology, I'm doing history and anthropology.... but no sciences
billabob Posted 5 September 2006 Posted 5 September 2006 Ouch! Whats wrong with sociology? Taught me more about the world then GCSE Maths ever did! Whats right with it!!!!! All that marx, functionalists, neo marxists balls, its mental, i hated it but we are all entitled to our opinions and that was at a level
Daggers Posted 5 September 2006 Posted 5 September 2006 Whats wrong with sociology? It's the fact that it is what it is not, it's not philosophy or psychology, it's not geography or a 'proper' science. It's like a watered down version of all of them without the depth, the rigour or the gravitas. And sociologists grow beards and work for the local council.
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