Head Honcho Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 They should have strung him up.......... .............after they'd chopped his cock off
golden gordon Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 no left his cock on but strung him up by it
Daggers Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 How horrific such an abuse is, as a father it has to be one of my biggest fears for my children - to have their innocence so cruelly robbed from them. It does beg the question - exactly how should we deal with mental illness within society? I know this is a dumb issue in which to introduce mental health provisions (due the the emotive nature of the offense), but seeing as it directly impinges upon it I thought I should raise it anyway. About 12 months ago Mrs.DB started work for the Central Brum Mental Health bods and so I have a vested interest. This has been a Cinderella service since forever but really took a hammering under the last Tory administration. I'm not politicizing this as Labour have continued to oversee its decline. For someone to sexually abuse a minor they have to have serious issues. You try talking to your doctor about a psychological problem you think you may have and see how far you get! Capital punishment may well stop the offender re-offending but it will be no deterrent to future would-be offenders. I have no idea of the 'best' course of action but feel that placing a bit more money into the service and reversing some of the care in the community moves would be a reasonable start.
Head Honcho Posted 4 September 2006 Author Posted 4 September 2006 It doesn't say in the link but he actually made her pregnant and she has since had a child Sorry forgot to put the link in! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/glouces...ire/5312942.stm
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 11 years for something as sick and perverted as that is an absolute joke. if there's 100% fool-proof evidence which completely condemns the person commiting that sort of crime, i see no reason why we cannot simply cut their penis off, lock them up forever, only making sure they are fed, hydrated and are not killing themselves.
stulcfc Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 thats bullsh*t if people get life for being jaled three times for fighting then why do they only get 11 years for some thing as sick as this? the need to sort it out and fast :@
Coxy Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 The thing I hate most in life is fcuking pedos, how they can get off so easy for stuff like that i'll never know
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 thats bullsh*t if people get life for being jaled three times for fighting then why do they only get 11 years for some thing as sick as this? the need to sort it out and fast :@ Exactly my point mate. The system is absolutely ridiculous atm, people are allowed to get away with all sorts if they " show a distinct amount of remorse " or cite the Human Rights Act. Pathetic really, no justice, anywhere.
stulcfc Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 Exactly my point mate. The system is absolutely ridiculous atm, people are allowed to get away with all sorts if they " show a distinct amount of remorse " or cite the Human Rights Act. Pathetic really, no justice, anywhere. to true and i still cant see what there tryin to do to ,sort it seem like they just arnt botherd he should have bin locked up with out a chance of ever getting out or hung imo
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 to true and i still cant see what there tryin to do to ,sort it seem like they just arnt botherd he should have bin locked up with out a chance of ever getting out or hung imo Which is what my first post said. If there is absolutely no doubt that he committed the crime he was accused of, after a review of the evidence and using DNA technology, he should either be locked up forever with no chance of committing suicide or getting out, or he should be killed himself. That'd be the only way that the CPS and the Government could greatly prevent crimes of this nature. Soft sentences and punishments will only encourage people to do it or re-offend.
lookwhaticando Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 fock this wishy-washy jailing of bastards like this. Bury the ****er alive or hang him. The effect we wish for is a slow and painful death, to facilitate the kind of metal anguish and trauma people like this thrust upon the friends and families, and indeed the victims themselves. Crimes such as this are every bit as sickening and serious as cold-blooded murder, and should thus be handled in the same manner. The world would be a far better place if there was fewer of his type roaming the streets - time to erradicate the ones we catch.
cisono Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 It doesn't say in the link but he actually made her pregnant and she has since had a child Poor kid
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 fock this wishy-washy jailing of bastards like this. Bury the ****er alive or hang him. The effect we wish for is a slow and painful death, to facilitate the kind of metal anguish and trauma people like this thrust upon the friends and families, and indeed the victims themselves. Crimes such as this are every bit as sickening and serious as cold-blooded murder, and should thus be handled in the same manner. The world would be a far better place if there was fewer of his type roaming the streets - time to erradicate the ones we catch. Obviously something every normal person in this world believes. Think Tony Blair and the Human Rights Activists would agree with eradicating criminals though?
Head Honcho Posted 4 September 2006 Author Posted 4 September 2006 Exactly my point mate. The system is absolutely ridiculous atm, people are allowed to get away with all sorts if they " show a distinct amount of remorse " or cite the Human Rights Act. Pathetic really, no justice, anywhere. As 5Live's Mike Ingham used to say "Justice and the law have got absolutely nothing in common"
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 The death penalty was abolished for a reason, that being its a bit harsh on people who are actually wrongly found guilty. :pinch: nasty. My soloution would to be lock them up permantly however it's not really a option with over crowding in our prisons.
lookwhaticando Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 Poor kid Which one? The 11 year old 'kid' that was raped? Or the kid of the kid that was raped? Both, I'd say. That's two lives pretty seriously affected... ... oh and the parents, that's four lives.... other relatives.... Basically, this scumbag has probably changed/affected/damaged at least 10 lives. And he gets 11 years for it? The only tiny little ray of hope from this ridiculous jail term is the following line in the article. He added that Tovey could be detained in prison over and above his 11-year sentence, and until he was no longer deemed a danger to the public. Not much hope that'll happen though. Since our jails are already packed, they'll probably send him out on license in five years time.
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 As 5Live's Mike Ingham used to say "Justice and the law have got absolutely nothing in common" Becoming more and more obvious as sickening crimes and soft-sentences are on the rise. The death penalty was abolished for a reason, that being its a bit harsh on people who are actually wrongly found guilty. :pinch: nasty. My soloution would to be lock them up permantly however it's not really a option with over crowding in our prisons. Which is why I said if the evidence has been checked, verified and is absolutely fool-proof and iron-clad. Until the evidence has been completely reviewed, just keep them locked up.
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 Becoming more and more obvious as sickening crimes and soft-sentences are on the rise. Which is why I said if the evidence has been checked, verified and is absolutely fool-proof and iron-clad. Until the evidence has been completely reviewed, just keep them locked up. Whats a 100% guilty though? According to the law people shouldn't evenf face trial unless the evidence is fairly full-proof. Unfortunatley it's not really ethical to convict one pedo to death and not another based on how much evidence is against them. Not really a option.
lookwhaticando Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 The death penalty was abolished for a reason, that being its a bit harsh on people who are actually wrongly found guilty. :pinch: nasty. My soloution would to be lock them up permantly however it's not really a option with over crowding in our prisons. In crimes like this, I'd have thought it was pretty friggin' easy to know who's done what - well beyond all reasonable doubt.
Head Honcho Posted 4 September 2006 Author Posted 4 September 2006 In crimes like this, I'd have thought it was pretty friggin' easy to know who's done what - well beyond all reasonable doubt. The cheeky bastard is appealing the length of his sentence now
lookwhaticando Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 The cheeky bastard is appealing the length of his sentence now You've got to be shitting me. I think if people appeal against their sentence when they've been found guilty, and the appeals court comes to the conclusion he's as guilty as the first court did, his sentence should be increased - as punishment for trying to weasel out of paying his dues.
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 The cheeky bastard is appealing the length of his sentence now And he will win his case, cos he'll express deep regret and sorrow, say he won't re-offend, agree to go to counselling, and, failing that, he'll use the Human Rights Act to say he is being treated unfairly. The nature of the crime means he doesn't deserve an appeal, and doesn't deserve any quality of life, especially considering that he apparently got the girl pregnant (proof enough that he needs killing if it's true, as DNA would prove beyond all doubt he had sexual relations with her). Our legal system is a joke, and it's no wonder criminals aren't ever worried about pleading guilty anymore. Lets face it, the sentences they receive and the treatment they get in prison doesn't exactly deter them from committing the crimes and going on to re-offend does it?
lookwhaticando Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 And he will win his case, cos he'll express deep regret and sorrow, say he won't re-offend, agree to go to counselling, and, failing that, he'll use the Human Rights Act to say he is being treated unfairly. The nature of the crime means he doesn't deserve an appeal, and doesn't deserve any quality of life, especially considering that he apparently got the girl pregnant (proof enough that he needs killing if it's true, as DNA would prove beyond all doubt he had sexual relations with her). Our legal system is a joke, and it's no wonder criminals aren't ever worried about pleading guilty anymore. Lets face it, the sentences they receive and the treatment they get in prison doesn't exactly deter them from committing the crimes and going on to re-offend does it? I see you're channeling Mystic Meg's spirit today. Spookily accurate prediction of the future, no doubt.
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 I see you're channeling Mystic Meg's spirit today. Spookily accurate prediction of the future, no doubt. yeah I have the powers of a real-life psychic atm. Either that or our legal system is way too predictable and lenient. And did I mention daft? And wrong? And criminal-friendly? The list goes on...
Daggers Posted 4 September 2006 Posted 4 September 2006 In crimes like this, I'd have thought it was pretty friggin' easy to know who's done what - well beyond all reasonable doubt. # 1989: The Guildford Four are released by the Court of Appeal. The detectives at the centre of the case are later cleared of fabricating evidence. # 1991: The Birmingham Six are freed. Prosecutions against officers accused of tampering with evidence are halted because of "adverse publicity". # 1997: The Bridgwater Four - minus Patrick Molloy, who died in jail - are released after 17 years in prison. # 2000: The M25 Three are freed by three Court of Appeal judges who say there had been a "conspiracy" to give perjured evidence. Miscarriages of justice occur on a frequent basis - there can be no reintroduction of a capital penalty simply because one can never have 100% faith in the outcome of a trial. You can't kill people because of a guilty verdict.
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