11 years for pervert

[Head Honcho]

# 1989: The Guildford Four are released by the Court of Appeal. The detectives at the centre of the case are later cleared of fabricating evidence.

# 1991: The Birmingham Six are freed. Prosecutions against officers accused of tampering with evidence are halted because of "adverse publicity".

# 1997: The Bridgwater Four - minus Patrick Molloy, who died in jail - are released after 17 years in prison.

# 2000: The M25 Three are freed by three Court of Appeal judges who say there had been a "conspiracy" to give perjured evidence.

Miscarriages of justice occur on a frequent basis - there can be no reintroduction of a capital penalty simply because one can never have 100% faith in the outcome of a trial. You can't kill people because of a guilty verdict.

I agree but once found guilty they should be punished not mollycoddled

A damn good whipping should suffice!

20 lashes once a month for the length of their sentence.

It may not deter others but sod it these nonce's need punishing.

[lcfc_jme]

I agree but once found guilty they should be punished not mollycoddled

A damn good whipping should suffice!

20 lashes once a month for the length of their sentence.

It may not deter others but sod it these nonce's need punishing.

Nonce's do need punishing. They are given treatment which they thoroughly do NOT deserve. Robbing young children of their innocence is a crime that affects people for their whole lives. Being on the sex-offenders register (yeah like it hurts them), serving a light setence, being given special treatment, rehoused, renamed, and a job?? Makes people actually think committing that sort of crime is worthwhile. After all, they get more through doing it than they do before hand.

[Daggers]

They are given treatment which they thoroughly do NOT deserve.

Strikes me that this is a pretty short-sighted approach.

The offense is committed by a person that is not under control of their actions due to a mental impairment...surely that provides mitigation for their actions as it does in any other case where mental impairment is admissible?

Plus, if you do not allow a mentally ill person access to treatment and medication exactly what do you think will happen upon their release?

Anyone in the country is deserving of treatment if they are ill - that is the fundamental bedrock of Bevan's health service. The shocking aspect of this is that society fails to ensure people with mental illnesses get adequately treated because we write it off as something that people should be able to get over, to snap out of it, to pull themselves together and act as "normal" people.

They can not act as normal people - they have loose wires. They need a head-electrician.

[Head Honcho]

Strikes me that this is a pretty short-sighted approach.

The offense is committed by a person that is not under control of their actions due to a mental impairment...surely that provides mitigation for their actions as it does in any other case where mental impairment is admissible?

Plus, if you do not allow a mentally ill person access to treatment and medication exactly what do you think will happen upon their release?

Anyone in the country is deserving of treatment if they are ill - that is the fundamental bedrock of Bevan's health service. The shocking aspect of this is that society fails to ensure people with mental illnesses get adequately treated because we write it off as something that people should be able to get over, to snap out of it, to pull themselves together and act as "normal" people.

They can not act as normal people - they have loose wires. They need a head-electrician.

Not too sure if they are all mentally unsound, obviously some of them are but using that as an excuse isn't going to protect our young.

I do however agree that treatment is a must and we have to seriously consider chemical castration as an option.

[lcfc_jme]

Not being funny DB, but if being " mentally impaired " meant getting special treatment, and a lesser sentence, we would have people pleading insanity everytime they committed the offence wouldn't we? And we'd have lawyers who went to great lengths to prove mental instability as their clients would be willing to pay extra money if the appeal is successful

[andrewsnaith]

No excuse whatsoever! He isnt worth the heating bill we will pay in taxes to keep him warm for 11 winters! We could save so much f'ing money with just one deserved bullet!

[Daggers]

Not too sure if they are all mentally unsound, obviously some of them are but using that as an excuse isn't going to protect our young.

Psychological treatment for sex offenders can help to cut reoffending but cannot provide a cure, experts have said.

In a review of published studies on treating sex offenders in the British Medical Journal, researchers said there was huge political and institutional pressure to prove treatment worked.

But the editorial's authors, Birkbeck College psychology lecturer Belinda Brooks-Gordon and University of Leicester criminology lecturer Charlotte Bilby, warned evidence from studies which had been done was "only a fraction of the knowledge we need".

"Psychological treatment is often mandated in the sentencing decision for sexual offenders.

"Yet the effectiveness of treatments is debated, and evidence for the efficacy of sex offender treatment programmes is often to readily accepted uncritically," they said.

The studies on psychological treatments were too small to be informative, although significant improvements in behaviour were recorded in some groups of offenders, they said.

I don't accept that it is an 'excuse' which implies an emotive response - it is a scientifically provable fact.

Modern research is pointing to their being a problem in the area of the brain that controls impulse suppression. It is absolutely impossible for someone suffering this to control themselves. They know that what they are doing is wrong, they feel guilt and remorse, but that alone can not control the action.

This builds on previous research from the late 80's linking such behaviour to endocrine release problems.

I'm in full agreement, chemical castration forms a part of a potential range of solutions, depending on the case in question.

With all such emotive topics, I am wary of the knee-jerk response. I feel it is better to try to understand the 'why' questions rather than blindly punish. If we are ever going to rid society of this evil then it has to come from the study of these [in the main] men...not from ripping their nuts off.

[Daggers]

Lets face it, the sentences they receive and the treatment they get in prison doesn't exactly deter them from committing the crimes and going on to re-offend does it?

As I have previously posted, prison sentences are irrelevant to paedophiles. You are discussing a topic where the subjects are mentally ill...where a chemical imbalance controls the actions.

[l444ry]

The death penalty was abolished for a reason, that being its a bit harsh on people who are actually wrongly found guilty. :pinch: nasty.

My soloution would to be lock them up permantly however it's not really a option with over crowding in our prisons.

The lily livered politicians that run this nation have a lot to answer for. Prison is no longer the deterrent it used to be. Prisoners should be made to take out loans whilst held at Her Majesties pleasure, just like university students are made to. They should be chained up together by their feet and taken out every morning at 7.30am to pick up litter from the motorways. Why should we have to 100% bankroll these toerags? Most of these scumbags are laughing at our so-called legal system!! Take out their televisions and make them serve their sentences in full. Prison may then actually become a place where the criminal might not wish to go to. Then we might not have to build any more.

[lcfc_jme]

I reckon we should just leave serious criminals unguarded together, and if they feel the need to beat the sh*t out of each other, then so be it. After all, if they have committed offences terrible enough to affect lives forever, why should they be protected by anybody?? Sounds harsh I know, and it would infuriate a lot of people, but at least when things like that happen, nobody would want to commit a serious offence and end up in prison

[Daggers]

Take out their televisions and make them serve their sentences in full. Prison may then actually become a place where the criminal might not wish to go to. Then we might not have to build any more.

Go visit a prison in a country where the standards match what you have described, go see the squalor and the rank abuse - where fear and neglect are the only laws inside.

Have such institutions stopped crime in Brazil, Colombia or Venezuela? Have the criminals given up and gone straight in Mexico, Turkey or Cambodia?

I fully appreciate your sentiments in wanting to make 'bird' tougher on the scum that are busy at the moment playing checkers and making cups of tea - but lets not delude ourselves that it is about crime prevention. Such actions are nothing more than appeasing our baser instincts to see revenge and justice.

[Head Honcho]

The lily livered politicians that run this nation have a lot to answer for. Prison is no longer the deterrent it used to be. Prisoners should be made to take out loans whilst held at Her Majesties pleasure, just like university students are made to. They should be chained up together by their feet and taken out every morning at 7.30am to pick up litter from the motorways. Why should we have to 100% bankroll these toerags? Most of these scumbags are laughing at our so-called legal system!! Take out their televisions and make them serve their sentences in full. Prison may then actually become a place where the criminal might not wish to go to. Then we might not have to build any more.

I'm sorry I have to disagree.

Prison has never been a deterrent!

[l444ry]

Go visit a prison in a country where the standards match what you have described, go see the squalor and the rank abuse - where fear and neglect are the only laws inside.

Have such institutions stopped crime in Brazil, Colombia or Venezuela? Have the criminals given up and gone straight in Mexico, Turkey or Cambodia?

I fully appreciate your sentiments in wanting to make 'bird' tougher on the scum that are busy at the moment playing checkers and making cups of tea - but lets not delude ourselves that it is about crime prevention. Such actions are nothing more than appeasing our baser instincts to see revenge and justice.

That's what it should be about though. This stupid modern thinking that you can rehabilitate hardened criminals is Alice in Wonderland. Prisons should be for punishment and nothing else. That's not appeasing our baser instincts.....That's just common sense. They committed the crime and they should do the time.

[Daggers]

That's what it should be about though. This stupid modern thinking that you can rehabilitate hardened criminals is Alice in Wonderland. Prisons should be for punishment and nothing else. That's not appeasing our baser instincts.....That's just common sense. They committed the crime and they should do the time.

Punish them? I agree with you, they should be punished.

Me, I would consider removal from society to be placed into a world of hairy men to be pretty punishing, TV or no TV. No conjugal visits, no pints of Belgian beer and no Saturdays at the match eating a pie. I reckon the set up is fine, but (as said in another thread) I believe parole should be scrapped. If you are sentenced to X years then X years should be the period of time you languish inside.

Rehabilitation

Unless you are planning on locking everyone up forever no matter what they have done then we have to rehabilitate, education and socialisation play a huge part in this. A prisoner has to believe that there are options outside of crime for them - and where are they going to get this unless they experience the start while serving a custodial sentence.

The fact that hardened criminals have been rehabilitated is proof that this 'modern thinking' works which is why I support it.

[l444ry]

Punish them? I agree with you, they should be punished.

Me, I would consider removal from society to be placed into a world of hairy men to be pretty punishing, TV or no TV. No conjugal visits, no pints of Belgian beer and no Saturdays at the match eating a pie. I reckon the set up is fine, but (as said in another thread) I believe parole should be scrapped. If you are sentenced to X years then X years should be the period of time you languish inside.

Rehabilitation

Unless you are planning on locking everyone up forever no matter what they have done then we have to rehabilitate, education and socialisation play a huge part in this. A prisoner has to believe that there are options outside of crime for them - and where are they going to get this unless they experience the start while serving a custodial sentence.

The fact that hardened criminals have been rehabilitated is proof that this 'modern thinking' works which is why I support it.

Can't disagree with most of your thoughts. But all the "rehabilitation, education and socialisation" should occur before these toerags choose to steal, rape, drink-drive and impose their despicable standards on the law-abiding rest of society. I suggest that if a prisoner needs a psychogist to show them that there is a life outside crime then it's a mental home they should be in, and not a prison.

I'm sure there are a few hardened criminals who have been "rehabilitated" but there are exceptions in every facet of life. Unfortunately, I think it's about time that we stopped making excuses for these people. The majority of them know exactly what they are doing and they couldn't give damn.

[Nationwider]

I like to think of myself as fairly liberal-minded, but then I find myself asking - why do we pay to keep these people at HM's pleasure at all? What possible good do they serve there? Why do they even deserve to be there? A small part of me wants to flick the switch on them....

[golden gordon]

I like to think of myself as fairly liberal-minded, but then I find myself asking - why do we pay to keep these people at HM's pleasure at all? What possible good do they serve there? Why do they even deserve to be there? A small part of me wants to flick the switch on them....

i agree see my sig

[davieG]

i agree see my sig

And the second picture looks like an application to be the top honcho at a woman's prison so that you can personally mete out the punishment.

[golden gordon]

And the second picture looks like an application to be the top honcho at a woman's prison so that you can personally mete out the punishment.

its in the post

[Guest]

I like to think of myself as fairly liberal-minded, but then I find myself asking - why do we pay to keep these people at HM's pleasure at all? What possible good do they serve there? Why do they even deserve to be there? A small part of me wants to flick the switch on them....

Prisoners used to have to pay for their stay inside. Isn't this the original reason why they are made to work? I don't see why taxes should be diverted from education, the NHS, care for the elderly etc to feed, clothe and keep a convicted criminal up to date on Hollyoaks. Prison should be about punishing people, and is it any wonder it's no deterrent in this day and age?

[stez]

Prisoners used to have to pay for their stay inside. Isn't this the original reason why they are made to work? I don't see why taxes should be diverted from education, the NHS, care for the elderly etc to feed, clothe and keep a convicted criminal up to date on Hollyoaks. Prison should be about punishing people, and is it any wonder it's no deterrent in this day and age?

to deny them that is inhumane pure and simple, you're a harsh one leece!

[lookwhaticando]

Prisoners used to have to pay for their stay inside. Isn't this the original reason why they are made to work? I don't see why taxes should be diverted from education, the NHS, care for the elderly etc to feed, clothe and keep a convicted criminal up to date on Hollyoaks. Prison should be about punishing people, and is it any wonder it's no deterrent in this day and age?

One onverused phrase, two words.

Human Rights

Apparently, it's inhumane to make people pay for their crimes nowadays.

[Guest]

One onverused phrase, two words.

Human Rights

Apparently, it's inhumane to make people pay for their crimes nowadays.

Criminals work outside of the constraints of ordinary society, and therefore should not be entitled to any human rights.

Sorry if this offends the liberals of this forum, but mental illness or not, nothing can ever excuse what that man has done.

[The Don]

fock this wishy-washy jailing of bastards like this.

Bury the ****er alive or hang him.

The effect we wish for is a slow and painful death, to facilitate the kind of metal anguish and trauma people like this thrust upon the friends and families, and indeed the victims themselves.

Crimes such as this are every bit as sickening and serious as cold-blooded murder, and should thus be handled in the same manner.

The world would be a far better place if there was fewer of his type roaming the streets - time to erradicate the ones we catch.

I don't like the idea of this what so ever - I know he deserves everything he gets but, think about his own mother assuming she's alive, imagine what she is going through, I as a father would hate to be in the situation that my son was a pedo, murderer etc, and as much as I would hate him for doing these things, you would still love him and hate to see him suffering, no matter what he'd done.

[Daggers]

The free-thinking world has rejected capital punishment as a barbaric throwback to unjust times or oppressive regimes. No one supports the concept in this country apart from the idiotic far-right parties and it will never again become an option. It would make sense to logically debate the way forward to improve society rather than trotting out these emotional responses.

I make no excuses for the behaviour of people like this, but I do appreciate that a combination of medication and therapy provides the best way forward.