davieG Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 If as we've been told there is no money why have we got these players, not just training with us but on trial? If there is money surely these two aren't going to be significantly cheaper than loaning players, which although doesn't provide any long term solutions also doesn't give us any long term headaches if they prove to be as crap as most seem to think they are. This is not necessarily a call for loan players I'd just like someone to provide some logic. The trialling of players at this point demonstrates to me a serious misjudgement of our needs when the transfer window was open. These are happening in spite of us having very few shock injury problems (Fryatt was injured after Asaba arrived). It all smacks of after the horse has bolted let's all panic Mr Mannering.
Surreal Madrid Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 If as we've been told there is no money why have we got these players, not just training with us but on trial? If there is money surely these two aren't going to be significantly cheaper than loaning players, which although doesn't provide any long term solutions also doesn't give us any long term headaches if they prove to be as crap as most seem to think they are. This is not necessarily a call for loan players I'd just like someone to provide some logic. The trialling of players at this point demonstrates to me a serious misjudgement of our needs when the transfer window was open. These are happening in spite of us having very few shock injury problems (Fryatt was injured after Asaba arrived). It all smacks of after the horse has bolted let's all panic Mr Mannering. I would guess if they are being paid anything, it is just expenses.
davieG Posted 3 October 2006 Author Posted 3 October 2006 I would guess if they are being paid anything, it is just expenses. I presume you mean now, I'm talking about if we sign them which I presume is the objective of trialling them. Where's the money from that coming from that wasn't there before? Or as I intimated, it was there and they underestimated the poor quality of the team and chose not to strengthen it when there where more options to choose from.
Surreal Madrid Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 I presume you mean now, I'm talking about if we sign them which I presume is the objective of trialling them. Not many trialists get a contract of any description. Can't lose anything by having a look at them, but I'd be surprised if these two got offered anything.
lookwhaticando Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 I presume you mean now, I'm talking about if we sign them which I presume is the objective of trialling them. Where's the money from that coming from that wasn't there before? Or as I intimated, it was there and they underestimated the poor quality of the team and chose not to strengthen it when there where more options to choose from. Pay as you play? I'd expect nothing more for a pair of has-beens such as these. :pinch: It's not like they should get much game time anyway - they'd probably be just stand-ins just incase.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 His argument would be that as we are an "emerging team" (starting to hate that phrase), the youngsters need help from experienced players. The fans' argument would be that the experienced players have been a major letdown this season and the last thing we need is another Johnson in midfield (Farrelly) or another Dublin up front (Asaba). If he wants to keep his job he'll need the fans back on his side and considering signing either of these players will have the opposite effect.
Thracian Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 His argument would be that as we are an "emerging team" (starting to hate that phrase), the youngsters need help from experienced players. The fans' argument would be that the experienced players have been a major letdown this season and the last thing we need is another Johnson in midfield (Farrelly) or another Dublin up front (Asaba). If he wants to keep his job he'll need the fans back on his side and considering signing either of these players will have the opposite effect. Spot on. I've heard such claptrap about needing experience before but sadly we are unable to afford the quality of older players needed to give worthwhile experience and the only ones we can afford are nowhere near as good as the alternative young players we already have available. Instead in the main they are effectively holding the team back by ruining its potential fluidity. People forget our young players have often been at the club for years or at least involved in one professional club or another for a long time. There are not grenhorns by any means. I think Andy King, for instance, has been at Leicester and Chelsea for something like seven seasons.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Spot on. I've heard such claptrap about needing experience before but sadly we are unable to afford the quality of older players needed to give worthwhile experience and the only ones we can afford are nowhere near as good as the alternative young players we already have available. Instead in the main they are effectively holding the team back by ruining its potential fluidity. People forget our young players have often been at the club for years or at least involved in one professional club or another for a long time. There are not grenhorns by any means. I think Andy King, for instance, has been at Leicester and Chelsea for something like seven seasons. Exactly. An emerging team can't emerge if it has a thirtysomething donkey in front of it in every position. He's effectively making a mockery of the financial crisis. A team in a financial crisis should use the resources it has (i.e. its youth team), not resort to signing players on the cheap that everyone else has rejected.
Leicfox Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Can a trialist play for the 1st team ? as for some reason im under the impression they can only play for the reserves ??
l444ry Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 The standard of these so-called trialists only emphasises the fact that the club should be on their knees knocking on Mandaric's door as we speak. If this is all that Rob Kelly can afford then the club must be in a worse mess than they are letting on. This team needs a major overhaul because our squad simply isn't remotely good enough. To suggest that Kelly might miraculously turn this round by changing tactics, players or using different formations is self-delusion at it's most extreme. And so is thinking that our bunch of "kids" are any better than any other Championship clubs "kids".
Mark Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 To suggest that Kelly might miraculously turn this round by changing tactics, players or using different formations is self-delusion at it's most extreme. And so is thinking that our bunch of "kids" are any better than any other Championship clubs "kids". Click. I'd say we currently have got a better bunch of kids in the academy than most Premiership clubs, but it's upto the management to help them progress. Signing Asaba or Farrelly will not be of any benefit, just hold them back.
l444ry Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Click, I'd say we've got a better group of kids than most Premiership clubs. You won't find me criticising the U18 team, but what that has to do with the current first team and the "kids" currently in it I don't know.
davieG Posted 3 October 2006 Author Posted 3 October 2006 Not many trialists get a contract of any description. Can't lose anything by having a look at them, but I'd be surprised if these two got offered anything. If there is no intent to sign them why go to the trouble of trialling them? Whether they do sign or not is not that issue it's the intent to sign that they are showing. The message they are giving out is that we have liitle of no money but what we do have we are prepared to spend on two players that no other club seems to want. They therefore lose a lot of respect, certainly mine and puts another nail in the coffin of my growing disenchantment, therefore making it more likely that I fail to renew my season tickets, if others feel the same that could amount to significant losses. Inspiration is what we need not despair.
stez Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 I presume you mean now, I'm talking about if we sign them which I presume is the objective of trialling them. Where's the money from that coming from that wasn't there before? Or as I intimated, it was there and they underestimated the poor quality of the team and chose not to strengthen it when there where more options to choose from. the objective of trialling them, is to see if they are worth signing. surely?
l444ry Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 the objective of trialling them, is to see if they are worth signing. surely? As they are both as old as the hills, Stez, ought not the club know what these two are capable of by now. Or perhaps that's why the Chief Scout has just left......in disgust!!!!
stez Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 As they are both as old as the hills, Stez, ought not the club know what these two are capable of by now. Or perhaps that's why the Cheif Scout has just left......in disgust!!!! what's wrong with trialling them to see what they can or can't do now? rather than old sheff utd and everton tapes?
Fez of Mahrez Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 what's wrong with trialling them to see what they can or can't do now? rather than old sheff utd and everton tapes? I'm going to guess.... the same as on the tapes, but less good and more slowly.
stez Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 I'm going to guess.... the same as on the tapes, but less good and more slowly. you may as well check them out, it'll cost nothing. people wrote cottee off.
Ultra Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 you may as well check them out, it'll cost nothing. people wrote cottee off. And he was a year older when he joined us than Farrelly is now..
Leicester_Mad Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 i'd rather take Sheringham on loan (or even try and sign him for a small fee) than sign Asaba
New England Fox Posted 4 October 2006 Posted 4 October 2006 Farrelly is only 31, some of you are talking like hes 35 or 36.
lookwhaticando Posted 4 October 2006 Posted 4 October 2006 Farrelly is only 31, some of you are talking like hes 35 or 36. It's not like he's played at our level the last two years though, is it? If he'd played in a similar league to ours recently, then yeah, but wasn't he in some Irish league? Don't think the quality's there... he may be 31, but if he's not been playing at our level recently, that doesn't bode well for his form/fitness/ability in general.
Thracian Posted 4 October 2006 Posted 4 October 2006 In what way will he possibly take our club forward? Having been loaned out to some fairly ordinary clubs at the back end of his time in England he took off for the wilderness of Irish football where he did nothing of lasting note, either as player or manager, and was recently sacked. And three goals a season is not going to cure our goals from midfield problem.
stez Posted 4 October 2006 Posted 4 October 2006 In what way will he possibly take our club forward? Having been loaned out to some fairly ordinary clubs at the back end of his time in England he took off for the wilderness of Irish football where he did nothing of lasting note, either as player or manager, and was recently sacked. And three goals a season is not going to cure our goals from midfield problem. you take him on trial to find out! i'm not comparing the two, but agian, cottee was cast out into the wilderness of malaysian(i think) football having been deemed past it.
davieG Posted 4 October 2006 Author Posted 4 October 2006 the objective of trialling them, is to see if they are worth signing. surely? That's what I said, the intent is there though, the message is being sent out that these players, which no one else wants, not even lower league clubs are potentially good enough for LCFC.
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