RowlattsFox Posted 7 November 2006 Posted 7 November 2006 i know its a big if but IF cardiff went up is there anyone who is against a welsh team being in the english premier division. i have no problem with it but people have said to me that that they shouldn't be allowed, which i think is completely ridiculous.
lookwhaticando Posted 7 November 2006 Posted 7 November 2006 Don't actually care. Just proves that the English Football League is where it's at, if some of the biggest clubs in other countries want to be a part of it. As long as they're not shit and play some decent stuff, cause a few upsets (beating Arse, Chelski, etc), then I'm all for it.
Joe. Posted 7 November 2006 Posted 7 November 2006 I think it would be funny to see a Welsh team in the Premiership.
Guest Posted 7 November 2006 Posted 7 November 2006 They are proper members of the English FA, and have gone up through the divisions just like any other English side. (With the Old Firm debate, if they want to join our Premiership, they can bloody well do the same thing). I can remember when the LoW was formed, and a few Welsh teams were blackmailed into leaving English leagues on the premise that they would qualify for Europe. Whilst this is true, it is a bit of a farce.
Deathside Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 I can remember when the LoW was formed, and a few Welsh teams were blackmailed into leaving English leagues on the premise that they would qualify for Europe. Whilst this is true, it is a bit of a farce. As I understand it - If Cardiddly do make it into the premiership and then finish in a top 6 position, they would not be allowed to qualify for europe due to being Welsh Maybe Lisa (or anyone else) can confirm? If this is true then I don't think either chelsea or arsenal should be allowed to qualify either as they are less english than Cardiddly
Thracian Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 As I understand it - If Cardiddly do make it into the premiership and then finish in a top 6 position, they would not be allowed to qualify for europe due to being Welsh Maybe Lisa (or anyone else) can confirm? If this is true then I don't think either chelsea or arsenal should be allowed to qualify either as they are less english than Cardiddly You make a very good point. And an important one for the long-term strength of English football.
Guest Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 No they can't play in Europe, hence the blackmailing when the LoW was formed. But the professional clubs went for the better money of playing in our league. Interestingly, the Old Firm would also be barred if they joined our leagues. However, it is going to be challenged.....
gatesheadfox Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 No they can't play in Europe, hence the blackmailing when the LoW was formed. But the professional clubs went for the better money of playing in our league. Interestingly, the Old Firm would also be barred if they joined our leagues. However, it is going to be challenged..... do they think you get european football by promotion? would imagine they are a long way off europe just yet. 1 feckin club wont damage our english game, if it did we would all ask for arsenal to be booted out.
Guest Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 do they think you get european football by promotion? would imagine they are a long way off europe just yet. 1 feckin club wont damage our english game, if it did we would all ask for arsenal to be booted out. I agree they are getting ahead of themselves, but as a fan, I like to see this kind of ambition from the board.
gatesheadfox Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 I agree they are getting ahead of themselves, but as a fan, I like to see this kind of ambition from the board. its good to see ambition, but ambition from ridsdale..i dunno
Joe. Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 do they think you get european football by promotion? would imagine they are a long way off europe just yet. 1 feckin club wont damage our english game, if it did we would all ask for arsenal to be booted out. That's a great point to make. Bloody Arsenal have virtually no Englishmen in their side yet they are allowed to play in Europe! Why shouldn't Cardiff be able to?
Guest Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 its good to see ambition, but ambition from ridsdale..i dunno He did a good job at Leeds. That's a great point to make. Bloody Arsenal have virtually no Englishmen in their side yet they are allowed to play in Europe! Why shouldn't Cardiff be able to? Sorry to pour fuel on yer fire, but it's the geographical location of your club not the nationality of the players. I could be wrong, but my understanding is, if Cardiff moved from Ninian Park and started playing their home games in Bath, for example, they would qualify for Europe. But like I say, I could be wrong.
Joe. Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 He did a good job at Leeds. Sorry to pour fuel on yer fire, but it's the geographical location of your club not the nationality of the players. I could be wrong, but my understanding is, if Cardiff moved from Ninian Park and started playing their home games in Bath, for example, they would qualify for Europe. But like I say, I could be wrong. But surely for an English team, you should have a good number of English players? I think it would be good if clubs were limited to the amount of foreigners they could have. I also think that way, the future of the national team would look a bit brighter
Milky Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 i'm fed up with all this foreigner business. they are still human beings! they just happen to have a different passport. as long as they can play good football and entertain me that's fine as far as i'm conerned.
lcfc_jme Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 But surely for an English team, you should have a good number of English players? I think it would be good if clubs were limited to the amount of foreigners they could have. I also think that way, the future of the national team would look a bit brighter Has been suggested many a time, and been shot down many a time. Although Uefa have incensed Wenger (there's a suprise) by contemplating making the highlighted part of your post compulsory. I'm unsure what I'd like to see on this matter tbh, it could be both a positive and negative thing for our game
Joe. Posted 8 November 2006 Posted 8 November 2006 Has been suggested many a time, and been shot down many a time. Although Uefa have incensed Wenger (there's a suprise) by contemplating making the highlighted part of your post compulsory. I'm unsure what I'd like to see on this matter tbh, it could be both a positive and negative thing for our game Other nations have that ruling and surely it would be a bit unfair if ours didn't? I do agree this ruling does have its disadvantages. We would miss out viewing some quality players and that would be a big downside.
Guest Posted 9 November 2006 Posted 9 November 2006 But surely for an English team, you should have a good number of English players?I think it would be good if clubs were limited to the amount of foreigners they could have. I also think that way, the future of the national team would look a bit brighter I don't disagree, however until something is done about it, this is what we have to put up with.Didn't UEFA put in that proposal about 'local' players, or was that binned off by Europe's top clubs, or whatever?
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 9 November 2006 Posted 9 November 2006 They are proper members of the English FA, and have gone up through the divisions just like any other English side. Exactly. I also think it's redundant to suggest that because they're based in another country/state/whatever that they shouldn't qualify for Europe... if they're legitimate members of the English FA which they are.
Guest Posted 10 November 2006 Posted 10 November 2006 Exactly. I also think it's redundant to suggest that because they're based in another country/state/whatever that they shouldn't qualify for Europe... if they're legitimate members of the English FA which they are. As long as the Old Firm realise this.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 10 November 2006 Posted 10 November 2006 As long as the Old Firm realise this. What was the issue there? That they would want to qualify for Europe? Personally I think the Old Firm joining the English FA is a dumb idea. It would alienate hardcore fans something shocking - not to mention reducing the Old Firm to mid table mediocrity. How could they compete with corporate clubs like Man U and Chelsea?
lookwhaticando Posted 11 November 2006 Posted 11 November 2006 What was the issue there? That they would want to qualify for Europe? Personally I think the Old Firm joining the English FA is a dumb idea. It would alienate hardcore fans something shocking - not to mention reducing the Old Firm to mid table mediocrity. How could they compete with corporate clubs like Man U and Chelsea? With the extra barrows full of cash on offer for those who make it to the promised land (Premiership), they wouldn't give a fook about being mid-table. It makes sense for the business, if not for the football. They seem to think they could compete, and perhaps they could after a few years with the extra revenue. I really couldn't care - if they're not sh/t they're welcome to join the Premiership - via the normal route, of course, as Cardiff have done. What I would object to is them being given the chance to just waltz into the league as if nothing happened. To join the Premiership you must first be a part of the English FA and you must start at the very bottom of the football league.
Guest Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 What was the issue there? That they would want to qualify for Europe?Personally I think the Old Firm joining the English FA is a dumb idea. It would alienate hardcore fans something shocking - not to mention reducing the Old Firm to mid table mediocrity. How could they compete with corporate clubs like Man U and Chelsea? They couldn't. I think Craig Levein proved that Scottish football has an overinflated opinion of itself. This coming from a Rangers fan .
Finnegan Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 They couldn't. I think Craig Levein proved that Scottish football has an overinflated opinion of itself. This coming from a Rangers fan . Boooooooo, hiiiiiisssssssssssssssss, mon the Bhoys, et ceteraaaaa.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 Okay. In that case I think the only way that the mighty Tims or the less than mighty Huns could possibly join the English FA is if it were a direct admission to the Premier League. That isn't out of disrespect for any of our teams in the English FA, but a sense of practicality that it literally couldn't be done any other way. Celtic are Champions League contenders FFS. Even the Gers joining League Two?! It wouldn't be fair on League Two and it wouldn't be fair on the Rangers (you won't hear me say that again ) I'm not sure of the ins and outs of the premier league's deal with the football league, but I'd imagine it would be an issue for the premier league and the FA alone to nut out. I still think it's a stupid idea regardless - too much tradition, and it's practical to keep Scottish teams in Scotland.
davieG Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 Okay. In that case I think the only way that the mighty Tims or the less than mighty Huns could possibly join the English FA is if it were a direct admission to the Premier League. That isn't out of disrespect for any of our teams in the English FA, but a sense of practicality that it literally couldn't be done any other way. Celtic are Champions League contenders FFS. Even the Gers joining League Two?! It wouldn't be fair on League Two and it wouldn't be fair on the Rangers (you won't hear me say that again )I'm not sure of the ins and outs of the premier league's deal with the football league, but I'd imagine it would be an issue for the premier league and the FA alone to nut out. I still think it's a stupid idea regardless - too much tradition, and it's practical to keep Scottish teams in Scotland. Allowing these two direct access to the Premier League would be a massive snub to all the Championship teams attempting to get promotion, including specifically the two that would automatically be denied promotion at that time. Bearing in mind the pressures to reduce the PL, the inclusion of these two it might also herald thisl and cause the 'relegation of two more teams. I feel very strongly about this and would say without hesitation should it ever happen I will turn my back on top level professional football.
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