Stuliasz Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 Just thought I would give you all another talking point for the day now that Levein has had almost as many games as Adams had: Adams: Team performances averaged 6.02 over 13 games. Levein: Team performances averaged 5.85 over 12 games. Bassett & Wilko: Team performances averaged 6.16 over 4 games. This is not me arguing for or against anyone, just providing you lot with something else to talk about! Discuss.
Guest Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 There's not a lot in it, to be fair. My opinion only, but whilst I admire CL's honesty in his evaluation of our squad, it's not going to bring out the best in players who are already underperforming, or just plain shite. I'm hoping that the next 12 games show an improvement.
stez Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 There's not a lot in it, to be fair.My opinion only, but whilst I admire CL's honesty in his evaluation of our squad, it's not going to bring out the best in players who are already underperforming, or just plain shite. I'm hoping that the next 12 games show an improvement. 53515[/snapback] i agree, he didn't get off to the best start saying he wanted to get rid of all the old timers. immediatly alienating 90% of hs new squad!!!
Ric Flair Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 Now that the novelty of a new manager has worn off, the players are back to playing badly and it's horrible. When Craig first took over we look decent, but as always the true colours of the team come through. He's got alot of work ahead of him, but atleast he's honest and has a plan. He wants to lay the foundations here and build something. We've not had a manager who was prepared to do that since O'Neill. I'm fully behind him as the team appears immune to change and although that's the manager's responsibility to sort out I feel that he'll get us playing better when he can offload the biggest big of wank i've ever seen on a football pitch in a long while. I think we'll win 4 games on the spin starting this saturday though, so those stats will change.
davieG Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 Beware of figures, Now I'm only talking about myself here but I'm very conscious of the fact that my marking is what I consider to be more realistic than when the season started. Afew reasons for this are: 1) I was new to the making system at the beginning and tended to start from a much higher base for my average performance e.g 6; I've now put that down to 4. 2) As with most new season there is an in built feeling of optimism, often totally unfounded which could also affect my scoring 3) A lot of new players in the squad, this meant I was prepared to give them the benifit of the doubt over substandard performances in the hope that they would improve, I prepared to admit I might also have been influenced by their reputations. 4) My patience with a lot of players is now wearing very thin and this is definitely reflected in my scores. It only takes one or two more to admit to one of those and that would easily account for the difference. My personnal view is that the level of endevour and belief has increased slightly but is still very spasmodic, they level of skills portrayed has improved with some indivduals e.g Gillespie, Stewart and Williams but has deteriorated with others Connolly, Nalis & Scowcroft.
Fox in a Box Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 Leavin inhertited 90% or his squad. Taylor didnt play or Saturday De veries Maybury 1/3 or a match These 3 signing have made a difference so stick your stats elsewhere
Stuliasz Posted 10 January 2005 Author Posted 10 January 2005 Now, hold on a minute cellseven, I don't have to do these stats, a lot of them have been very interesting and if you would read my post I said I am just informing you of the stats to add another talking point to the messageboard. I am in FULL support of Levein and will be for a while yet whatever happens so don't start having a go at me.
Stuliasz Posted 10 January 2005 Author Posted 10 January 2005 Leavin inhertited 90% or his squad.Taylor didnt play or Saturday De veries Maybury 1/3 or a match These 3 signing have made a difference so stick your stats elsewhere 53530[/snapback] And I'm sure a lot of board members would oppose to that comment!
davieG Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 Leavin inhertited 90% or his squad.Taylor didnt play or Saturday De veries Maybury 1/3 or a match These 3 signing have made a difference so stick your stats elsewhere 53530[/snapback] Cool it cellseven as you may find yourself doing time, I think SheffFox deserves an apology. NOW
Solihullfox Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 To be fair Sheffield Fox has already "stuck his stats elsewhere" - they are on Talking Balls.
Stuliasz Posted 10 January 2005 Author Posted 10 January 2005 . Shouldn't that be just referred to on here as "the other board"?
Solihullfox Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 . Shouldn't that be just referred to on here as "the other board"? 53543[/snapback] You are quite right sir, it is indeed The Scottish Play of LCFC chat forums.
Hullfox Posted 10 January 2005 Posted 10 January 2005 Leavin inhertited 90% or his squad.Taylor didnt play or Saturday De veries Maybury 1/3 or a match These 3 signing have made a difference so stick your stats elsewhere 53530[/snapback] A couple of points here. 1) Cellseven, I assume you have shoved your dictionary elsewhere. 2) Sheff, if you follow this advice, I've got this horrible picture of you doing number two's - literally!
Chandler Posted 12 January 2005 Posted 12 January 2005 Hoof's 'Honeymoon' analysis is correct. So now it's back to the boring old job, the cramped dingy flat and the missionary position... Well at least Levein's had a 'honeymoon.' More than could be said of certain fans' favourites to take over the LCFC hot seat in October. I refer to Messrs (or should that be 'messers') Hoddle, Robson, Redknapp & Co Ltd. Funny, I seem to remember someone around here (not exactly known for his modesty) predicting all this...
Guest Posted 12 January 2005 Posted 12 January 2005 Hoof's 'Honeymoon' analysis is correct. So now it's back to the boring old job, the cramped dingy flat and the missionary position...Well at least Levein's had a 'honeymoon.' More than could be said of certain fans' favourites to take over the LCFC hot seat in October. I refer to Messrs (or should that be 'messers') Hoddle, Robson, Redknapp & Co Ltd. Funny, I seem to remember someone around here (not exactly known for his modesty) predicting all this... 54084[/snapback] Whilst you've got your crystal ball out, could you let me know what Saturday's winning Lotto numbers are, thanks!
Chandler Posted 12 January 2005 Posted 12 January 2005 I'm working on it Lisa. But here's one tip that I prepared earlier. We will not be promoted this season...
davieG Posted 12 January 2005 Posted 12 January 2005 I'm working on it Lisa. But here's one tip that I prepared earlier.We will not be promoted this season... 54217[/snapback] Never thought we would.
Teeno Posted 13 January 2005 Posted 13 January 2005 I think Levein will do well with his own squad. He has took charge of a very poor team, confidence wise aswell as quality. Micky Adams ruined us with all his silly little transfers. Rather than buying in bulk and 3/4 of his millions of signings being anygood we would of been better getting 5/6 pplayers of decent ability. Levin realises when need stability and to build a team that wont be ripped apart 12 mounths later. I'm not gonna bother judging Levien, imo everything we are doing now is in preperation for next season when we will make a real effort of going up.
Fox in a Box Posted 13 January 2005 Posted 13 January 2005 Sorry Sheffield fox! Anyhow More stats MA lost the dressing room 100% CL seems to be putting a smile back on the players faces inturn this breeds confidence in each other.
Katy Posted 13 January 2005 Posted 13 January 2005 I think Levein will do well with his own squad. He has took charge of a very poor team, confidence wise aswell as quality. Micky Adams ruined us with all his silly little transfers. Rather than buying in bulk and 3/4 of his millions of signings being anygood we would of been better getting 5/6 pplayers of decent ability. Levin realises when need stability and to build a team that wont be ripped apart 12 mounths later. I'm not gonna bother judging Levien, imo everything we are doing now is in preperation for next season when we will make a real effort of going up. 54289[/snapback] CL basically needs time to build his own squad - Im not expecting a great deal from this season, this yo-yo reputation we seem to have developed for ourselves again has to stop! We were doing nicely in the Prem until PT and his crap overpaid 'players' came along but anyway thats all in the past. I have placed my trust in CL to make something of us again just like MON did but I completely understand that this is going to take time and we should be patient for the time being.
Ric Flair Posted 13 January 2005 Posted 13 January 2005 There's an argument that's currently valid with the situation at Leicester and that's why people will start questioning Levein and spouting that Micky Adams was pushed out of Leicester and it wasn't his fault. The argument rests with the fact that on paper our squad looks quite handy. David Connolly, Dion Dublin, Martin Keown, Nikos Dabizas, Keith Gillespie, Joey Gudjonsson, Scott Gemmill, Gareth Williams, Peter Canero, Ian Walker and Nathan Blake have played or are playing international football. You add in there Lilian Nalis, Jordan Stewart, Scowcroft, Lee Morris, Chris Makin, Matt Heath, Stuart Taylor and the two new boys and from a far you could say we are hugely under-achieveing. Pointing the finger towards the manager, past and present. As far as i'm concerned in football it's not about the players you've got, yes you need quality to succeed but also you can have quality but not perform. We've got some big name players in our team that haven't got the mettle to graft and fight in this league. We have also been in a legacy that has seen a monumental turnover in playing staff and that itself installs negativity and hardly does wonders for team spirit. We've then get ourselves in to this addiction of throwing leads and points away that is still evident in the new era under Levein. It seems that it didn't and doesn't matter who we sign, they will adapt to this bizarre situation we are in. They are immune to change and the whole feeling around the place at the minute is nasty. My personal opinion is that the way Micky Adams went about his business he has done some drastic things that will take time to iron out of this club. Don't get me wrong, when Levein came to this club I had alot of confidence that things would improve automatically as it was a new era and things would be done differently. Micky has thrown together player after player, with the theory that experience and short term contracts will get us promoted. There's was no continuity and it was more about individuals than a team galvanised together. He has never let a team settle so they can get that team spirit going and build a rapport with the fans. It must feel the same for the players as it does with the fans at this club, disillusioned. There's no us against the rest, it's like a team of strangers and 32,000 people wtaching over them and getting frustrated when things go wrong. I can see exactly why we are performing badly and I can see why the players we have aren't punching above their weight and we do have a part to play in that. But what goes around comes around and that's the problem at the minute. Everything is stagnant, the fans, the players, everything. That's why it will take time to sort this shit out, Levein can't work his magic overnight. In some situations a manager might well be able to come in and instantly turn the club around, but we've not been building anything at this club for several years and it's caught up with us. Hats off to Levein, he's not as interested in short term success as Micky was and Levein is prepared to build long term. It's a gamble he's willing to take and it's a gamble that needs to be made. Some of the players we have at this club, will leave and probably go to another club and become a success. That's the way it is in football, the players we have at the minute though aren't quite right for the situation we are in. When you build something often you have to build from scratch to get the right results, Levein needs players who can lay the foundations and be at this club for more than just a year or so. He needs players to come in and give everything they've got for the cause. New players with new ideas, the current players have been infected with this failure at this club and I doubt there are many that we can keep who can be part of the new era at this club. My argument is that it's not Levein's fault that he hasn't been able to guide us up the table, also it's not that we haven't got a squad capable enough of being in the top 6 in this league. What we are lacking is confidence, team spirit and a good foundation. This is going to take time though, 15-20 new players in the summer isn't going to help. Having said that alot of the players we have here need to leave though, so it's going to be hard. But Levein is brave enough to try and that's good enough for me, he'll sign players who are right for this club. He won't panick buy, if we are desperate for players and there isn't anyone suitable for us that's where he'll be keen to introduce the youngsters who I hope he's preparing for the first team. Let's get behind the team and have some optimism, even is it is false optimism within the short term. We'll rise again, i'm sure of it. Craig Levein's Blue & White Army
Connolly!!! Posted 13 January 2005 Posted 13 January 2005 Excellent post Hoof, couldn't agree more mate. Although it is gonna take time to restructure the squad, and develop a team spirit like the MON days, I am sure that CL knows what he is doing, and more importantly, knows himself how long it is going to take to get Leicester challenging for promotion, which is why he is building for the long term, shown by the 3 year contracts given to Maybury and De Vries.
Chandler Posted 14 January 2005 Posted 14 January 2005 I don't see how Hoof's post is 'excellent', Connolly. It's a long spleen venter that is short on reason and appallingly ignorant of the facts.The only valid point that Hoof makes is that Micky's squad was (AND SHOULD STILL BE) a decent one. Hoof suggests that it was Adams' policy to think 'short term.' This is such unbelievable shite that the response should be obvious. Unfortunately I am dealing with fickle boneheads here so I'll have to spell it out. Adams was forced to change his squad for the Championship campaign because the rump of his Premiership stars wanted out. They wanted out because of loopholes in their contracts allowing them to leave in the event of relegation. These loopholes were written into their contracts at the behest of the players' agents because THEY WOULD HAVE GONE ELSEWHERE IF THEY HAD NOT BEEN INCLUDED. (And while we're at it, the terms of player contracts are not the province of team management - though they may advise club management in certain aspects). Hoof finishes his rant with the usual absurdities. The team has no confidence and no spirit. Well, Hoof, whose responsibility is that I wonder? If the squad looks 'handy' on paper then clearly Levein is missing a trick as we slide down the table. As for being 'brave' in seeking new acquisitions that's what all managers wish they could do - particularly those with money (and no money) who are making a right royal cock-up of things. And there are some things that Levein is cocking up big time. At least Adams could win on the road (3 victories). Levein has chalked up just one away victory in case you hadn't noticed. Hoof, next time you decide to treat us to one of your polemics - think about it first, then amend it a little, then preview it ... AND THEN FORGET THE WHOLE DAM THING!!!
Alexikokopops Posted 14 January 2005 Posted 14 January 2005 I don't see how Hoof's post is 'excellent', Connolly. It's a long spleen venter that is short on reason and appallingly ignorant of the facts.The only valid point that Hoof makes is that Micky's squad was (AND SHOULD STILL BE) a decent one. 54655[/snapback] Oh the irony!!
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