holloway

[Wilkesy]

Agreed, look at Mcloud at Charlton.. Quality at MK Dons but has struggled with the step up.

One player that has done it for us is Gareth McAuley as he made the step up from Lincoln. But its alot harder for strikers as the pressure is always on them to score goals, and its not like our current squad would be creating bundles of chances for them either.

[Ashley]

£199.99...everything in The Jan sale is always reduced!!!!!!!!

:laugh:

I'd heard it was Buy One Get One Free

[Babylon]

Hmmm, that is very interesting indeed, and does show a huge amount of hypocrisy.

Why does it?.... Magilton came out and named players. Holloway has done no such thing, he has said he wants to strengthen in January... but so have every other manager. It just once again seemed to me like a bunch of Plymouth fans pissed off that he saw a team near the bottom of the league a step up from Plymouth.

It was their own club that came out and confirmed we had made bids, so that whole article is a complete pile of cack.

[davieG]

Why does it?.... Magilton came out and named players. Holloway has done no such thing, he has said he wants to strengthen in January... but so have every other manager. It just once again seemed to me like a bunch of Plymouth fans pissed off that he saw a team near the bottom of the league a step up from Plymouth.

It was their own club that came out and confirmed we had made bids, so that whole article is a complete pile of cack.

[oggie]

Why does it?.... Magilton came out and named players. Holloway has done no such thing, he has said he wants to strengthen in January... but so have every other manager. It just once again seemed to me like a bunch of Plymouth fans pissed off that he saw a team near the bottom of the league a step up from Plymouth.

It was their own club that came out and confirmed we had made bids, so that whole article is a complete pile of cack.

You read whatever you like into it! Bear in mind, also, that Ollie said Norris was worth £5M just after Southampton came sniffing around. Ollie is like a 'lover scorned' and until he becomes more rational then there will be no progress for LCFC.

[The Reverend]

Why does it?.... Magilton came out and named players. Holloway has done no such thing, he has said he wants to strengthen in January... but so have every other manager. It just once again seemed to me like a bunch of Plymouth fans pissed off that he saw a team near the bottom of the league a step up from Plymouth.

It was their own club that came out and confirmed we had made bids, so that whole article is a complete pile of cack.

Whether the players are named or not, after telling Ipswich to go and swivel about signing a player as angrily as he did, and then trying to sign him for your new club, is hypocritical.

[Babylon]

Whether the players are named or not, after telling Ipswich to go and swivel about signing a player as angrily as he did, and then trying to sign him for your new club, is hypocritical.

I think you have missed the point... in fact I think you are so far from the point you can't see it anymore.

The reason he had a go at Ipswich was not because they wanted to sign one of his players, it was because Magilton was in the media saying he was going to sign them. They were naming names of Plymouth players even though no bid had been accepted.

It is not in any way hypocritical, because the circumstances of the two events are not even similar.

[Babylon]

You read whatever you like into it! Bear in mind, also, that Ollie said Norris was worth £5M just after Southampton came sniffing around. Ollie is like a 'lover scorned' and until he becomes more rational then there will be no progress for LCFC.

What on earth are you talking about. Managers come out with wild estimations all the time, it's not that they actually think the player is worth that. They just do it to scare clubs off. Eg. "Gareth Williams is worth £5m" NFFC Manager.

[FootballFan88]

I think you have missed the point... in fact I think you are so far from the point you can't see it anymore.

The reason he had a go at Ipswich was not because they wanted to sign one of his players, it was because Magilton was in the media saying he was going to sign them. They were naming names of Plymouth players even though no bid had been accepted.

It is not in any way hypocritical, because the circumstances of the two events are not even similar.

Actually I think you are missing the point. Holloway responded in the way he did as he believed the actions of Magiliton were set to unsettle the player (which indeed they did). Now watch the video on the BBC site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/video_and_...ide/4304501.stm . Are you seriously telling me that the comments he made in that video are not unsettling?

As for your comments in regards to the value of players. Of course managers stick unrealistic values on players heads, however he claimed that one million was no where near the value for David Norris (and rejected a bid for 1m). So why would Argyle sell him to us for a similar fee? Get real

[Simi]

Mandaric really does need to take a gamble and January and put his money where his mouth is. So many things at the moment need replacing and it's becoming a lot larger job than what he first imagined, I'm sure.

Lessons need to be taught to some of our players, a few could still have a future if they have some model pro's to work with.

[Father Ted]

Actually I think you are missing the point. Holloway responded in the way he did as he believed the actions of Magiliton were set to unsettle the player (which indeed they did). Now watch the video on the BBC site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/video_and_...ide/4304501.stm . Are you seriously telling me that the comments he made in that video are not unsettling?

As for your comments in regards to the value of players. Of course managers stick unrealistic values on players heads, however he claimed that one million was no where near the value for David Norris (and rejected a bid for 1m). So why would Argyle sell him to us for a similar fee? Get real

Welcome

I just suggest that you may want to calm down a tad.

[Babylon]

Actually I think you are missing the point. Holloway responded in the way he did as he believed the actions of Magiliton were set to unsettle the player (which indeed they did). Now watch the video on the BBC site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/video_and_...ide/4304501.stm . Are you seriously telling me that the comments he made in that video are not unsettling?

As for your comments in regards to the value of players. Of course managers stick unrealistic values on players heads, however he claimed that one million was no where near the value for David Norris (and rejected a bid for 1m). So why would Argyle sell him to us for a similar fee? Get real

Firstly can you link the actual video so we can watch it, rather than the help guide.

Secondly, where the hell have I said anything about Plymouth should accept any kind of value.

[The Reverend]

I think you have missed the point... in fact I think you are so far from the point you can't see it anymore.

The reason he had a go at Ipswich was not because they wanted to sign one of his players, it was because Magilton was in the media saying he was going to sign them. They were naming names of Plymouth players even though no bid had been accepted.

It is not in any way hypocritical, because the circumstances of the two events are not even similar.

Rubbish.

Magilton said he had spoken to Plymouth,but they had told him to feck off and that was the end of it. He never at any point said he was going to sign Norris (according to the article).

[oggie]

What on earth are you talking about. Managers come out with wild estimations all the time, it's not that they actually think the player is worth that. They just do it to scare clubs off. Eg. "Gareth Williams is worth £5m" NFFC Manager.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander! Unfortunately Ollie has effectively priced himself out of the market

[CKB]

Unfortunately Ollie has effectively priced himself out of the market

I didn't realize the market was just Plymouth players?

[oggie]

I didn't realize the market was just Plymouth players?

Who said it was? However, as far as scorned lover-boy is concerned the Plymouth market has been subject to great inflation on the back of the way he has conducted himself! He might well get players from Plymouth but it'll be at the cost of severely diminishing the budget that MM is giving him.

[Dr_Fox]

I didn't realize the market was just Plymouth players?

the problem is with Holloway publically stating that he "can't wait for the transfer window" "never needed it so much in his life" he is just alertin the rest of the footballing world to how desperate we are to sign some players and with desperation comes a willingless to pay above the odds to get the players we want

(Most) Football chairmen aren't stupid and will quote over the top prices to Holloway knowing he is desperate enough to pay!

I really wish Holloway would tone down his media comments!

[oggie]

the problem is with Holloway publically stating that he "can't wait for the transfer window" "never needed it so much in his life" he is just alertin the rest of the footballing world to how desperate we are to sign some players and with desperation comes a willingless to pay above the odds to get the players we want

(Most) Football chairmen aren't stupid and will quote over the top prices to Holloway knowing he is desperate enough to pay!

I really wish Holloway would tone down his media comments!

Quite right - that, in a nutshell, is why Plymouth were mightily p****d off with the guy! His personality gets him the media coverage (which certainly benefitted Plymouth in terms of putting the club on the map) but his intellect can't cope and he puts his foot in it with ill-advised comments.

[Babylon]

Rubbish.

Magilton said he had spoken to Plymouth,but they had told him to feck off and that was the end of it. He never at any point said he was going to sign Norris (according to the article).

Stop trying to twist things.

The whole point of this argument is them saying it's hypocritical of Holloway. It could only classed as that if he came out in the media and mentioned Norris. He has not to my knowledge named any players we have bidded on, or are interested in.... thus meaning it's not hypocritical because he hasn't done what Magilton did.

He classed Magiltons comments as disruptive as he was naming names. Maybe he wasn't trying to unsettle the player, but people have done things like that before and a week later the player puts in a transfer request. Plymouth are the ones who have confirmed the bids for the players, so if IH turned around now and said we had a bid turned down, it is still not the same because they have released the information.

[CKB]

Who said it was? However, as far as scorned lover-boy is concerned the Plymouth market has been subject to great inflation on the back of the way he has conducted himself! He might well get players from Plymouth but it'll be at the cost of severely diminishing the budget that MM is giving him.

I was just being sarcastic..

In the end Ollie just said he can't wait for the transfer window to open? isn't he just thinking what we all are? and i know your gonna say but he's manager, he shouldn't be saying that, etc, etc...BUT! i'd rather here them things because it makes me realize he knows what the problems are like we do?

I believe Plymouth are being sour bastards over this whole Ollie thing anyhow, so if i was Ollie i'd probs just say f**k em and go find a better Norris, Halmosi, etc..he has contacts, lists of players i'm sure he could probably get better/on par players in for less, plus with Milan on board he will just pack in some Serbian 100% wine and 100 quid to an agent and bobs ya uncle players will come!

Plus i think many clubs at times have to pay over inflated prices anyhow, you rarely get anyone in this country cheap!

[Bluemoon]

Stop trying to twist things.

He classed Magiltons comments as disruptive as he was naming names. Maybe he wasn't trying to unsettle the player, but people have done things like that before and a week later the player puts in a transfer request. Plymouth are the ones who have confirmed the bids for the players, so if IH turned around now and said we had a bid turned down, it is still not the same because they have released the information.

Look, he did his best. I guess his former players don't think so much of him as he thinks, and no one wanted to dance and he's putting a brave face on it. End of! He and MM are also covering the club's arse. Time to move on

[A_Non_Bitter_Pilgrim]

Yes I'm one of those Argyle fans but actually the reason why I'm posting is because after inital anger I realised that actually we got a really good deal out of the whole scenerio.

To be honest, without the "greed" of Ollie and the approach by Mandaric then Paul Sturrock would never have come back to Argyle. To me, Leicester City Football Club got what they wanted in terms of a man that will sort them out. He has a great back up team and one key person is Penrice and I'm sure he

will bring in the right people who will add much needed quality to your team. Ollie has alot of passion. He is a motivator who is very postive as a manager. He did a very good job at PAFC and if I forget about alot of the stuff that comes out of his mouth then I realise he still did a very good job on a limited budget. However, he is not fantastic as a tactical manager. He only knows how to play one way and whilst being postive gets you somewhere he can be found out by more astute managers in what is a pretty average league. My concern was always that he never had a "plan B". If you get behind him though he will get you up the league although I do feel MM desire is Premiership within the next 2 years and personally I dont think Ollie has enough abilty to make you finish in the top two.

When Ollie came to the club he was extremely lucky in the sense Tony Pulis before him got rid of alot of the dead-wood like I guess he has to try and do with your squad now. Pulis set the foundations and Ollie had a blank sheet to work with. He was fortunate but he did add wisely so all credit to him. However, I have been watching in amazement some of his comments about your squad and where Pulis calmly and efficently went about his work I notice Olliie taking another approach. Personally, I believe no matter how many players you get in during the window he will still be left with alot of your existing squad and to be so public about the need for change isnt, I feel, the best way to handle things. Another downside to the man is whilst he is a great talker he tends to speak before thinking and in the case I highlighted above he can only affect confidence by making it appear that alot arent wanted. Isnt it better to keep team matters private?

So when I heard Paul Sturrock was coming back I was delighted. We have a manager who has a plan B. Tatically, he is alot more aware than Ollie and yet as the same ability to unite a team by its spirt and work-rate. I can see why alot of Argyle fans are bitter about the whole scenerio but my anger has always been directed at Ollie and not Leciester Fans as at the end of the day fans of football clubs dont have any say in the employment of managers.

I actually do wish you the best for the season (although I would be lyeing if I wasnt going to say that their isnt part of me that really wants Ollie to fail). Life goes on though and if it wasnt for the actions of your club we wouldnt of seen our fans so united like they have been over the coming months. We also wouldnt of seen the return of one of our most popular managers. As an Argyle fan who wasnt 100% convinced by Ollie, but who did try and believe in what he was saying, this whole scenerio has benefited both clubs.

I just want to wish you all a merry xmas, and look forward to getting 3pts off you come feb !!

[Zingari]

Yes I'm one of those Argyle fans but actually the reason why I'm posting is because after inital anger I realised that actually we got a really good deal out of the whole scenerio.

To be honest, without the "greed" of Ollie and the approach by Mandaric then Paul Sturrock would never have come back to Argyle. To me, Leicester City Football Club got what they wanted in terms of a man that will sort them out. He has a great back up team and one key person is Penrice and I'm sure he

will bring in the right people who will add much needed quality to your team. Ollie has alot of passion. He is a motivator who is very postive as a manager. He did a very good job at PAFC and if I forget about alot of the stuff that comes out of his mouth then I realise he still did a very good job on a limited budget. However, he is not fantastic as a tactical manager. He only knows how to play one way and whilst being postive gets you somewhere he can be found out by more astute managers in what is a pretty average league. My concern was always that he never had a "plan B". If you get behind him though he will get you up the league although I do feel MM desire is Premiership within the next 2 years and personally I dont think Ollie has enough abilty to make you finish in the top two.

When Ollie came to the club he was extremely lucky in the sense Tony Pulis before him got rid of alot of the dead-wood like I guess he has to try and do with your squad now. Pulis set the foundations and Ollie had a blank sheet to work with. He was fortunate but he did add wisely so all credit to him. However, I have been watching in amazement some of his comments about your squad and where Pulis calmly and efficently went about his work I notice Olliie taking another approach. Personally, I believe no matter how many players you get in during the window he will still be left with alot of your existing squad and to be so public about the need for change isnt, I feel, the best way to handle things. Another downside to the man is whilst he is a great talker he tends to speak before thinking and in the case I highlighted above he can only affect confidence by making it appear that alot arent wanted. Isnt it better to keep team matters private?

So when I heard Paul Sturrock was coming back I was delighted. We have a manager who has a plan B. Tatically, he is alot more aware than Ollie and yet as the same ability to unite a team by its spirt and work-rate. I can see why alot of Argyle fans are bitter about the whole scenerio but my anger has always been directed at Ollie and not Leciester Fans as at the end of the day fans of football clubs dont have any say in the employment of managers.

I actually do wish you the best for the season (although I would be lyeing if I wasnt going to say that their isnt part of me that really wants Ollie to fail). Life goes on though and if it wasnt for the actions of your club we wouldnt of seen our fans so united like they have been over the coming months. We also wouldnt of seen the return of one of our most popular managers. As an Argyle fan who wasnt 100% convinced by Ollie, but who did try and believe in what he was saying, this whole scenerio has benefited both clubs.

I just want to wish you all a merry xmas, and look forward to getting 3pts off you come feb !!

i wish i could see it that way

all the best

[Babylon]

Look, he did his best. I guess his former players don't think so much of him as he thinks, and no one wanted to dance and he's putting a brave face on it. End of! He and MM are also covering the club's arse. Time to move on

What the hell are you talking about... How do you know the players don't want to come, Plymouth rejected our offers... end of. There is no "no one wanted to dance", there is no "cover up", it's a figment of peoples overactive imaginations, the people on here who need some conspiracy and need to whip things up into something it's not.

Plymouth don't particularly like us and Holloway, they would rather sell to other clubs if they had to. Can't people just see it for what it actually is.