Ibbyfox Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 well we were . But seriously, big stadium, lots of fans generally makes you a big club. Middle of the road club, crap atmosphere, even crapper team. Probably only 8 what I would call "big" clubs in England, then 20 or 30 middling clubs (which we are) and the rest inconsequential (which Plymouth are).
Ibbyfox Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 I'm sorry but we are a massive club. We were runners up in the top flight in 1929, so we must be. Ah I remember the glory days of the 1929 season.
Guest Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 He really pissed me off before the game..." i wont be celebrating"F**k off then, your with us now, if you love Plymouth so much why did you leave? Holloway had no reason not to celebrate, who gives a fook what a few Plymouth fans think in the corner? The spineless twat sat down for the majority of the match.. So the bloke decides to show a bit of respect? If the boot was on the other foot, you would have been wanting him dead for celebrating against us... He was like that at Loftus Road too, just for the record.
Trumpet Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 I don't understand why he should show a set of fans who clearly dislike him respect. Plus, with the outbursts of the Plymouth chairman last week, respect shouldn't have been on the agenda.
OnePaulWotton Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 I don't understand why he should show a set of fans who clearly dislike him respect. Plus, with the outbursts of the Plymouth chairman last week, respect shouldn't have been on the agenda. Do you think he was concerned about his Mr. Popular media image, and didn't want anyone to think he was winding us up? I'm not trying to stir, I'm genuinely interested to hear your opinions. I find it strange that any opposition manager will change the way he manages because of who he's playing.
Guest Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 Do you think he was concerned about his Mr. Popular media image, and didn't want anyone to think he was winding us up? I'm not trying to stir, I'm genuinely interested to hear your opinions. I find it strange that any opposition manager will change the way he manages because of who he's playing. Like I said, he was subdued at Loftus Road too. I have no idea if he was like that when Plymouth played there, so it's difficult to ascertain his motives.
Guest Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 I don't understand why he should show a set of fans who clearly dislike him respect. Plus, with the outbursts of the Plymouth chairman last week, respect shouldn't have been on the agenda. Not all Plymouth fans dislike him, or blame him for leaving. Maybe it's those he had in mind, and not the antagonists or the chairman. I just wonder how you would feel if one of our ex-managers was leaping around like a maniac having scored against us.
Ibbyfox Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 I don't understand why he should show a set of fans who clearly dislike him respect. Plus, with the outbursts of the Plymouth chairman last week, respect shouldn't have been on the agenda. Maybe just trying to hold the moral high ground? Do you think he was concerned about his Mr. Popular media image, and didn't want anyone to think he was winding us up? I'm not trying to stir, I'm genuinely interested to hear your opinions. I find it strange that any opposition manager will change the way he manages because of who he's playing. You've probably got a point with him wanting to make a good impression with the medie, but it's got nothing to do with the way he manages - he's just making a point about showing some respect to a club he once managed. As mentioned he did the same with QPR, and I would hope he would do the same with Leicester after he's moved on. Not that it makes any difference to a bunch of supporters who hate him with a passion like the Plymouth fans do.
OnePaulWotton Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 Like I said, he was subdued at Loftus Road too. I have no idea if he was like that when Plymouth played there, so it's difficult to ascertain his motives. He was the same as any other game, no special treatment or anything like that. Then again, QPR fans weren't treating him like the devil. Not all Plymouth fans dislike him, or blame him for leaving. Maybe it's those he had in mind, and not the antagonists or the chairman. I just wonder how you would feel if one of our ex-managers was leaping around like a maniac having scored against us. I would say that absolute vast majority of Argyle fans seriously dislike him, it's incredibly rare to find fans who thank him and wish him well, it's just that these people seem to have a habit of popping up in places like this.
jbrommo Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 We are not a big club. Honestly, good luck to Plymouth and well done tonight. The better side won. Can we now end this concern we seem to have with Plymouth fans? I was annoyed when Wolves poached McGhee. Its the same situation. Leave them to it, they are entitled to feel that way. I also remember gloating when we went to Molineux and beat Woles when we went there with O'Neill shortly after McGhee left us for them. Swings and roundabouts. I'd much prefer it if we all got behind our team and our manager, realise that we have a long hard slog ahead of us before Ollie can turn this around. People are calling for our manager's head and its a joke. We have been crap for almost 5 years. When will we realise its the club thats the problem, not the manager? We need to give tis man the chance to build something and stick with it. Well done mate, all this Argyle v City talk is now boring!!! As an argyle fan I was pissed when Ollie left but really all concerned should now get on with supporting our own clubs!!! having met Ollie at the Walkers for his book signing he seems a decent bloke, and I reckon given the resources you have will do a good job for you. It does seem to me though that you need a lot of sorting out?
Koke Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 Well done mate, all this Argyle v City talk is now boring!!! As an argyle fan I was pissed when Ollie left but really all concerned should now get on with supporting our own clubs!!! having met Ollie at the Walkers for his book signing he seems a decent bloke, and I reckon given the resources you have will do a good job for you. It does seem to me though that you need a lot of sorting out? Most of your fans will forget this given the time. O'Neill left us for Celtic and he left us in a very good and healthy state just like Ollie left you lot in. And at the moment you won't find on Leicester fan who have a bad word to say about Martin O'Neill.
Ibbyfox Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 Well done mate, all this Argyle v City talk is now boring!!! As an argyle fan I was pissed when Ollie left but really all concerned should now get on with supporting our own clubs!!! having met Ollie at the Walkers for his book signing he seems a decent bloke, and I reckon given the resources you have will do a good job for you. It does seem to me though that you need a lot of sorting out? You think? And there was me thinking we were one decent midfielder off being promoted
jbrommo Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 I don't understand why he should show a set of fans who clearly dislike him respect. Plus, with the outbursts of the Plymouth chairman last week, respect shouldn't have been on the agenda. Please dont tar all Argyle fans with the 'Ollie hater' brush. I for one made a point of attending a book sale at the walkers to thank him for the hard work he did at Argyle, and I think managing our club is hard work, but in a different way to the hard work needed at Leicester. As i am local to Leicester I enjoy getting the views of your supporters on a manager I feel is 'good for the game', even if many Argyle fans dont and judging by comments on here many City fans dont either!!!
Ibbyfox Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 Most of your fans will forget this given the time. O'Neill left us for Celtic and he left us in a very good and healthy state just like Ollie left you lot in. And at the moment you won't find on Leicester fan who have a bad word to say about Martin O'Neill. Same can't be said for the man who systematically destroyed MON's team though!!
jbrommo Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 You think? And there was me thinking we were one decent midfielder off being promoted I'm sure it looks bad at the minute but think it will be a different story once Ollie has had a pre-season with the players he wants at the club, that is what happened at Argyle, wether he is given the time is a different story.
Bluemoon Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 Holloway had no reason not to celebrate, who gives a fook what a few Plymouth fans think in the corner? The spineless twat sat down for the majority of the match.. He did, and that's a problem he and you have. He's been involved in a messy divorce and he's not behaving at all well. It's going to get worse before it get's better. We just wish he'd stop talking about us..it's embarassing.
davieG Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 He did, and that's a problem he and you have. He's been involved in a messy divorce and he's not behaving at all well.It's going to get worse before it get's better. We just wish he'd stop talking about us..it's embarassing. It's difficult for him though when the Plymouth Chairman and the fans can't stop talking about him - exampled by the fact you've got over 270 posts on this forum.
doyleyboy Posted 10 February 2008 Posted 10 February 2008 Stadium is nothing special it looks the same as quite a few grounds in England. The fans are generally arrogant and don't know how to generate a decent atmosphere or chant a song that doesn't involve du du dudu.Overall nothing to write home about. Hi Argyle fan here...why am I posting a reply? I think you lot are a big club........ your stadium is fantastic, we stayed in the express hotel, that was great value for money too. Yes we won and it was a great night for us, but all the foxes fans we met before and after the game were great. We would love to have a stadium and set up like yours and hopefully one day we will. I honestly think Ollie will sort out your team and the argyle fans only hate him becuase of all the media bollox he said (like i have green blood running through my veins crap) I think he would do better to concentrate on the team more and stop being on the radio/tv (only my opinion though) I wish you all the best and I look foward to visiting your super stadium again (the curry down london road was great too) Good luck
hollowaystays Posted 11 February 2008 Posted 11 February 2008 seriously,just how deluded are some of you that youre a "big club"?You have been given this new identikit stadium-great-but if we(argyle)had been given one in recent years,wed have gained the 4 or 5,000 new-age fans and middle class family set that youve added to your base aswell.We got bigger crowds on occassions in the FOURTH division in the early 2000s that you got in the PREMIERSHIP at Filbert street.Added to this you have all that premiership pedigree including europe and having martin o`neil which is gonna grow you as a club.You have no real identity,just another plastic souless english midlands club that plays in blue and is called "city"-somebody shoot me.If argyle get a decent invester on the near future and get up to the premier and get a stadium like you have then well start to blow you away as a club so dont give it all this "were bigger and plymouth are like darlington" bllshit ive read on here.The real core of a club can be determind by those fans who will travel hundreds of miles on a saturday across the country to support it and give it their soul,not a few middle class families going along to your crisp bowl before their cinema outing later that night which means you get 18,000 home fans like you had on saturday instead of the 13,000-16,500 averages argyle have had in the past few years.Look at the figures,argyle have always taken a bigger core to your place than you have to ours-thats the real test of whose the "bigger club" and on that score,theres only one answer.
Zingari Posted 11 February 2008 Posted 11 February 2008 seriously,just how deluded are some of you that youre a "big club"?You have been given this new identikit stadium-great-but if we(argyle)had been given one in recent years,wed have gained the 4 or 5,000 new-age fans and middle class family set that youve added to your base aswell.We got bigger crowds on occassions in the FOURTH division in the early 2000s that you got in the PREMIERSHIP at Filbert street.Added to this you have all that premiership pedigree including europe and having martin o`neil which is gonna grow you as a club.You have no real identity,just another plastic souless english midlands club that plays in blue and is called "city"-somebody shoot me.If argyle get a decent invester on the near future and get up to the premier and get a stadium like you have then well start to blow you away as a club so dont give it all this "were bigger and plymouth are like darlington" bllshit ive read on here.The real core of a club can be determind by those fans who will travel hundreds of miles on a saturday across the country to support it and give it their soul,not a few middle class families going along to your crisp bowl before their cinema outing later that night which means you get 18,000 home fans like you had on saturday instead of the 13,000-16,500 averages argyle have had in the past few years.Look at the figures,argyle have always taken a bigger core to your place than you have to ours-thats the real test of whose the "bigger club" and on that score,theres only one answer. this only serves to convince me that Holloway is a complete fool to walk out on Plymouth to join Leicester what a tw*t
Neil_LCFC Posted 11 February 2008 Posted 11 February 2008 seriously,just how deluded are some of you that youre a "big club"?You have been given this new identikit stadium-great-but if we(argyle)had been given one in recent years,wed have gained the 4 or 5,000 new-age fans and middle class family set that youve added to your base aswell.We got bigger crowds on occassions in the FOURTH division in the early 2000s that you got in the PREMIERSHIP at Filbert street.Added to this you have all that premiership pedigree including europe and having martin o`neil which is gonna grow you as a club.You have no real identity,just another plastic souless english midlands club that plays in blue and is called "city"-somebody shoot me.If argyle get a decent invester on the near future and get up to the premier and get a stadium like you have then well start to blow you away as a club so dont give it all this "were bigger and plymouth are like darlington" bllshit ive read on here.The real core of a club can be determind by those fans who will travel hundreds of miles on a saturday across the country to support it and give it their soul,not a few middle class families going along to your crisp bowl before their cinema outing later that night which means you get 18,000 home fans like you had on saturday instead of the 13,000-16,500 averages argyle have had in the past few years.Look at the figures,argyle have always taken a bigger core to your place than you have to ours-thats the real test of whose the "bigger club" and on that score,theres only one answer. The way to tell is on average crowds & league positioning over the last 20 years or so. How do we average 18000 home fans when our crowd average is over 23k ? are you telling me the away average is over 5k this season ? You are talking utter bollocks.
MikeyT Posted 11 February 2008 Posted 11 February 2008 Stadium is nothing special it looks the same as quite a few grounds in England. The fans are generally arrogant and don't know how to generate a decent atmosphere or chant a song that doesn't involve du du dudu.Overall nothing to write home about. I think our Stadium is magnificent. Ok its no Old Trafford, but its defininately one of the best, if not the best in the Championship, taking into account some of the others, apart from Southampton and Cov.
pafc neil Posted 11 February 2008 Posted 11 February 2008 Despite the fact that expectation levels at the walkers must be higher than at Home Park, What with your massive financial clout, i find it bizarre that Holloway is starting to face pressure already. All this talk of your team in with a chance of the play offs was a bit premature, and far too optimistic. You should concentrate on avoiding the drop this season, have a good sort out in the summer and mount a strong promotion challenge next season. If at the middle part of next season you are not serious play-off or automatic promotion contenders, then is the time to sack holloway. We had people calling for Sturrocks head on our forum last week and now with one win we are 2 points off a play off place and everything has changed, some of those negative posters have had to eat humble pie. The only thing that i am worried about is that whenever we get success, some bigger team comes in and takes our best players and our manager.
Alexikokopops Posted 11 February 2008 Posted 11 February 2008 Despite the fact that expectation levels at the walkers must be higher than at Home Park, What with your massive financial clout, i find it bizarre that Holloway is starting to face pressure already. All this talk of your team in with a chance of the play offs was a bit premature, and far too optimistic. You should concentrate on avoiding the drop this season, have a good sort out in the summer and mount a strong promotion challenge next season. If at the middle part of next season you are not serious play-off or automatic promotion contenders, then is the time to sack holloway. We had people calling for Sturrocks head on our forum last week and now with one win we are 2 points off a play off place and everything has changed, some of those negative posters have had to eat humble pie. The only thing that i am worried about is that whenever we get success, some bigger team comes in and takes our best players and our manager. Come on here if we beat Watford on Wednesday, we'll be soaring towards automatic promotion then.
Asha Posted 11 February 2008 Posted 11 February 2008 Despite the fact that expectation levels at the walkers must be higher than at Home Park, What with your massive financial clout, i find it bizarre that Holloway is starting to face pressure already. All this talk of your team in with a chance of the play offs was a bit premature, and far too optimistic. You should concentrate on avoiding the drop this season, have a good sort out in the summer and mount a strong promotion challenge next season. If at the middle part of next season you are not serious play-off or automatic promotion contenders, then is the time to sack holloway. We had people calling for Sturrocks head on our forum last week and now with one win we are 2 points off a play off place and everything has changed, some of those negative posters have had to eat humble pie. The only thing that i am worried about is that whenever we get success, some bigger team comes in and takes our best players and our manager. How'd you slip through the net? Mods? Admin? But I agree we expect too much, but that's because not long ago we were top of the premiership, we were lifting the carling cup. Of course expectation levels are low at Plymouth because you've never won fu ck all. And you'll always get your best players poached because Plymouth don't look like a Premiership team, and being the small club financially and in terms of size, players and managers will always be looking for the better, higher profile club.
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