Ian Holloway brought this Plymouth shite to our door

[Alexikokopops]

seriously,just how deluded are some of you that youre a "big club"?You have been given this new identikit stadium-great-but if we(argyle)had been given one in recent years,wed have gained the 4 or 5,000 new-age fans and middle class family set that youve added to your base aswell.We got bigger crowds on occassions in the FOURTH division in the early 2000s that you got in the PREMIERSHIP at Filbert street.Added to this you have all that premiership pedigree including europe and having martin o`neil which is gonna grow you as a club.You have no real identity,just another plastic souless english midlands club that plays in blue and is called "city"-somebody shoot me.If argyle get a decent invester on the near future and get up to the premier and get a stadium like you have then well start to blow you away as a club so dont give it all this "were bigger and plymouth are like darlington" bllshit ive read on here.The real core of a club can be determind by those fans who will travel hundreds of miles on a saturday across the country to support it and give it their soul,not a few middle class families going along to your crisp bowl before their cinema outing later that night which means you get 18,000 home fans like you had on saturday instead of the 13,000-16,500 averages argyle have had in the past few years.Look at the figures,argyle have always taken a bigger core to your place than you have to ours-thats the real test of whose the "bigger club" and on that score,theres only one answer.

I like your claim that you had more fans in the fourth division in the early 2000s than we had in the Premiership.

The figures seem to disagree, your highest in 2001 was 8671 while we had an average of over 20000.

[Zingari]

I like your claim that you had more fans in the fourth division in the early 2000s than we had in the Premiership.

The figures seem to disagree, your highest in 2001 was 8671 while we had an average of over 20000.

PAH FIGURES they can make 'em say what they want

[hollowaystays]

I like your claim that you had more fans in the fourth division in the early 2000s than we had in the Premiership.

The figures seem to disagree, your highest in 2001 was 8671 while we had an average of over 20000.

i did not say overall seasons average,that would clearly be propostrous.It is factual that in april 2002,we were both playing at home-you in the premier to a big and historic club and local rival Aston Villa and us to cheltenham town in the fourth tier.We had 18,500 inside home park,you had just over 18k inside filbert street.fact.

[Father Ted]

seriously,just how deluded are some of you that youre a "big club"?You have been given this new identikit stadium-great-but if we(argyle)had been given one in recent years,wed have gained the 4 or 5,000 new-age fans and middle class family set that youve added to your base aswell.We got bigger crowds on occassions in the FOURTH division in the early 2000s that you got in the PREMIERSHIP at Filbert street.Added to this you have all that premiership pedigree including europe and having martin o`neil which is gonna grow you as a club.You have no real identity,just another plastic souless english midlands club that plays in blue and is called "city"-somebody shoot me.If argyle get a decent invester on the near future and get up to the premier and get a stadium like you have then well start to blow you away as a club so dont give it all this "were bigger and plymouth are like darlington" bllshit ive read on here.The real core of a club can be determind by those fans who will travel hundreds of miles on a saturday across the country to support it and give it their soul,not a few middle class families going along to your crisp bowl before their cinema outing later that night which means you get 18,000 home fans like you had on saturday instead of the 13,000-16,500 averages argyle have had in the past few years.Look at the figures,argyle have always taken a bigger core to your place than you have to ours-thats the real test of whose the "bigger club" and on that score,theres only one answer.

Filbert Street was sold out every game dipstick and considering how much most of your fans hate Ollie and how you were all saying your bringing down loads of fans, Blackpool, Wolves, West Brom, Ipswich and Coventry all brought more fans than you. Now go home and stop pulling sour faces because if the wind changes then you'll stay like that.

[Koke]

You still can't talk. Plymouth were averaging less than 5,000 in 2001. Granted you were in Division 3 or whatever its called these days, but your claim is still ludicrous.

We averaged 20,452 in the Prem in a 22,000 capacity ground.

But I agree with you. We are not a big club. We are a medium club just like 20 or 30 other clubs in this country. A category that Plymouth don't fall into unfortunately. No offence.

[Koke]

Filbert Street was sold out every game dipstick and considering how much most of your fans hate Ollie and how you were all saying your bringing down loads of fans, Blackpool, Wolves, West Brom, Ipswich and Coventry all brought more fans than you. Now go home and stop pulling sour faces because if the wind changes then you'll stay like that.

None of them can touch West Brom.

I admit Plymouth have good away following but their home support is awful. Absolute dire.

[pafc neil]

Come on here if we beat Watford on Wednesday, we'll be soaring towards automatic promotion then.

I hope you do beat watford, their home form is appalling expecting a leicester city scalp there. A few years ago i was invited to the madjeski stadium to watch your lot play reading (old 1st div) i think you beat them 3-1, but i stand to be corrected- it was either Dec 2003 or early 2004. My old boss when a friend of Alan Pardew who was manager at reading at the time, so that is why i was there, anyway your team played some of the best football i have ever seen during that game, so i am fully aware of how good you were as a team.

[hollowaystays]

lets get this right,you were not "selling out" filbert street even in the premier.You had crowds of 16 and 17k in a 22k ground.We avarged 5k or so in the fourth tier yes and for most of the time we only had 1 stand available which had a capacity of 5,800.Wolves got less than that when they were down there and you probably get them telling you theyre the big club compared to leicester.If you hadnt tasted a single season of top flight football in your entire history,were used to lower league standard dross and still had your old style ground then dont try and kid us youd be much over our last 3 seasons average of 16,500,13,500 and 13,500.You have been given one of these new super stadiums with all its facilities and atrractions and youve played recently in the premiership and europe and got a wealthy owner and managed to build yourselves up to where you had 18,000 in the ground on saturday-well done to you.I reitterate that with all your "advantages" and with our utter lack of success,that its quite something that we have a bigger core of following that will travel thousands of miles across the country to support our club than you do-why is this?I thought you were "bigger" than us or does that just mean how many new-age set and families you can get along to your multi-purpose crisp bowl every other week?

[Koke]

lets get this right,you were not "selling out" filbert street even in the premier.You had crowds of 16 and 17k in a 22k ground.We avarged 5k or so in the fourth tier yes and for most of the time we only had 1 stand available which had a capacity of 5,800.Wolves got less than that when they were down there and you probably get them telling you theyre the big club compared to leicester.If you hadnt tasted a single season of top flight football in your entire history,were used to lower league standard dross and still had your old style ground then dont try and kid us youd be much over our last 3 seasons average of 16,500,13,500 and 13,500.You have been given one of these new super stadiums with all its facilities and atrractions and youve played recently in the premiership and europe and got a wealthy owner and managed to build yourselves up to where you had 18,000 in the ground on saturday-well done to you.I reitterate that with all your "advantages" and with our utter lack of success,that its quite something that we have a bigger core of following that will travel thousands of miles across the country to support our club than you do-why is this?I thought you were "bigger" than us or does that just mean how many new-age set and families you can get along to your multi-purpose crisp bowl every other week?

Yadda yadda yadda.. If Man Utd weren't this successful they wouldn't have such a big fan base. If I was a millionaire I'd buy me a Porsche.

Last saturday the attendance was 21.000 + the game was on Sky.

We are not a big club. I said it 15 times now. We are on par with Saints, Wolves, Norwich, Palace etc.

And plus, you are getting some 11.000 through the gates at Home Park in one of your most successful seasons position wise, so you are in no position to talk.

[hollowaystays]

interesting none of you can answer my point about the REAL core of a club and the real fans who have it in their soul who give up their weekends to follow it over the land.Im not and never have suggested you dont have 4 or 5 thousand more middle class saturady home goer families who go to your place for a day out now youve got somewhere comfortable to play but thats not the debate.I want to know why a club that is so much "bigger" than us and with such a better history cant touch us in terms of the numbers and distances they have to travel to represent their club and city?Surely if you are indeed "bigger",you should blow us out the water on that score aswell,no?

[Koke]

interesting none of you can answer my point about the REAL core of a club and the real fans who have it in their soul who give up their weekends to follow it over the land.Im not and never have suggested you dont have 4 or 5 thousand more middle class saturady home goer families who go to your place for a day out now youve got somewhere comfortable to play but thats not the debate.I want to know why a club that is so much "bigger" than us and with such a better history cant touch us in terms of the numbers and distances they have to travel to represent their club and city?Surely if you are indeed "bigger",you should blow us out the water on that score aswell,no?

You right to an extend. Many of us have displayed a huge dislike to how the club is run with all their family community crap. They don't realize that they are pushing the hardcore fans out. It has been discussed here in great depths to be honest.

As for our away support. It is awful, no denying in that. But remember, we have been utter shite for over 4 years now flirting with Ms Relegation every time, with shit football etc etc. A lot of people just got fed up with it really, and who can blame them.

I admit you have a great following. Then again, you can't answer my question. Why do you have such an appaling home support when this is your most successful season ever? Swings and roundabouts.

[Manwell Pablo]

i did not say overall seasons average,that would clearly be propostrous.It is factual that in april 2002,we were both playing at home-you in the premier to a big and historic club and local rival Aston Villa and us to cheltenham town in the fourth tier.We had 18,500 inside home park,you had just over 18k inside filbert street.fact.

Yes I believe we were rooted to the bottom of the Premier League, already relegated, playing absloutley dreadful football.

I also believe that your game agasint Cheltenham Town in the fourth tier was the game that Plymouth got promoted.

Thats a really fair comparison

we don't have 4 5 k extra fans becuase we built a new stadium you absloute tit, it's the other way round. We built a new stadium because we had 4 - 5 thousand fans who couldn't get tickets for matches, the fact remains if we were doing well we'd fill the Walkers and if we were in the Premier League we could probabley get 40k.

And ask for this fantastic Argyle away support I keep hearing about, 1,500 at the Walkers for what was a big game for your bitter little lot is not impressive at all.

[Jimmy]

Yes I believe we were rooted to the bottom of the Premier League, already relegated, playing absloutley dreadful football.

I also believe that your game agasint Cheltenham Town in the fourth tier was the game that Plymouth got promoted.

Thats a really fair comparison

we don't have 4 5 k extra fans becuase we built a new stadium you absloute tit, it's the other way round. We built a new stadium because we had 4 - 5 thousand fans who couldn't get tickets for matches, the fact remains if we were doing well we'd fill the Walkers and if we were in the Premier League we could probabley get 40k.

And ask for this fantastic Argyle away support I keep hearing about, 1,500 at the Walkers for what was a big game for your bitter little lot is not impressive at all.

didn't palace bring more then that for a game, on SKY and on a MONDAY NIGHT, not 5.15 on a Saturday evening

[breadandcheese]

interesting none of you can answer my point about the REAL core of a club and the real fans who have it in their soul who give up their weekends to follow it over the land.Im not and never have suggested you dont have 4 or 5 thousand more middle class saturady home goer families who go to your place for a day out now youve got somewhere comfortable to play but thats not the debate.I want to know why a club that is so much "bigger" than us and with such a better history cant touch us in terms of the numbers and distances they have to travel to represent their club and city?Surely if you are indeed "bigger",you should blow us out the water on that score aswell,no?

Are these great fans you talk of the same 5,700 who attended Plymouth's title winning victory over Cheltenham, but don't seem to attend anymore?

[EXILEDFOX]

to draw a line under all this pettiness - here are some facts.

1) Plymouth are shit

2) to view an away game at Leicester as if it were a cup final proves that you have real high ambitions...NOT... and then you only bring 1500......

3) your ground is the same as many others in the country - the park near my house for example.

4) you have never and never will be able to attract any players of quality, I mean who wants to eat Pasties every day..

5) we have bigger fish to fry than Plymouth - yeah we suck now but look back at the last 10 years, Carling Cups, UEFA games, Premier League whilst you lot were in division 2/3...

6) The number of Plymouth fans who come on this site to post is stupid - no other club bothers to do that except you lot - not much going on down there I guess...

Ask any fool in the street about LCFC ---- Lineker, Heskey, Cottee, Izzet, Savage, Lennon, Glover, Worthington, O'Neill

Ask any fool in the street about PAFC ---- ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Holloway (and he aint even with you anymore)

Ask any Plymouth fan if he would want the CASH, STADIUM, HISTORY that we have over what you have and in all honesty he would say yes AND YOU KNOW IT !!!

[Darkzzz_]

I think our Stadium is magnificent. Ok its no Old Trafford, but its defininately one of the best, if not the best in the Championship, taking into account some of the others, apart from Southampton and Cov.

Saints, yeah it isnt bad, But the Ricoh is so ugly!!

I hate the look of that ground!

[Daggers]

<wank>

Here's your first test Community Support Officer Ched - admonish this inbred twat, admonish him severely.

[lookwhaticando]

Here's your first test Community Support Officer Ched - admonish this inbred twat, admonish him severely.

Wrong forum.

[Ibbyfox]

lets get this right,you were not "selling out" filbert street even in the premier.You had crowds of 16 and 17k in a 22k ground.We avarged 5k or so in the fourth tier yes and for most of the time we only had 1 stand available which had a capacity of 5,800.Wolves got less than that when they were down there and you probably get them telling you theyre the big club compared to leicester.If you hadnt tasted a single season of top flight football in your entire history,were used to lower league standard dross and still had your old style ground then dont try and kid us youd be much over our last 3 seasons average of 16,500,13,500 and 13,500.You have been given one of these new super stadiums with all its facilities and atrractions and youve played recently in the premiership and europe and got a wealthy owner and managed to build yourselves up to where you had 18,000 in the ground on saturday-well done to you.I reitterate that with all your "advantages" and with our utter lack of success,that its quite something that we have a bigger core of following that will travel thousands of miles across the country to support our club than you do-why is this?I thought you were "bigger" than us or does that just mean how many new-age set and families you can get along to your multi-purpose crisp bowl every other week?

Which is exactly why we are a bigger club than Plymouth - historically!! Leicester HAVE spent a good proportion of their history in the top flight (roughly half the time I think) and have NEVER been lower than the 2nd flight of English football - a claim that only 8 other clubs can boast of (Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea et al). The size of the club is not only measured in attendances (which, by the way, makes us bigger than you aswell) but comparative historical success. Leicester have always plied their trade in the top 2 divisions, Plymouth mostly in the bottom 2!!

[Ibbyfox]

You still can't talk. Plymouth were averaging less than 5,000 in 2001. Granted you were in Division 3 or whatever its called these days, but your claim is still ludicrous.

We averaged 20,452 in the Prem in a 22,000 capacity ground.

But I agree with you. We are not a big club. We are a medium club just like 20 or 30 other clubs in this country. A category that Plymouth don't fall into unfortunately. No offence.

Totally agree, a point I made in pretty much the same words in another thread.

[jbrommo]

to draw a line under all this pettiness - here are some facts.

1) Plymouth are shit

2) to view an away game at Leicester as if it were a cup final proves that you have real high ambitions...NOT... and then you only bring 1500......

3) your ground is the same as many others in the country - the park near my house for example.

4) you have never and never will be able to attract any players of quality, I mean who wants to eat Pasties every day..

5) we have bigger fish to fry than Plymouth - yeah we suck now but look back at the last 10 years, Carling Cups, UEFA games, Premier League whilst you lot were in division 2/3...

6) The number of Plymouth fans who come on this site to post is stupid - no other club bothers to do that except you lot - not much going on down there I guess...

Ask any fool in the street about LCFC ---- Lineker, Heskey, Cottee, Izzet, Savage, Lennon, Glover, Worthington, O'Neill

Ask any fool in the street about PAFC ---- ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Holloway (and he aint even with you anymore)

Ask any Plymouth fan if he would want the CASH, STADIUM, HISTORY that we have over what you have and in all honesty he would say yes AND YOU KNOW IT !!!

Mate, most of what you say is correct but you cant live on past glories and players can you? If that is how it is you may as well give up now, at the end of the day you are only as good as your last game and lets face it you were shite!!! We as Argyle fans perhaps have different expectations to Leicester and to be honest I support the club wether it be in div 3 or The Prem and although you may have more cash, a bigger/better stadium and richer history, today that counts for bugger all!!! I have no ill will towards Leicester, I am relatively close to Leicester so keep up with whats going on, especially with Ollie in charge!!! It seems that for a club with bigger fish to fry, we seem to have got under your skin somewhat?

[Jimmy]

Mate, most of what you say is correct but you cant live on past glories and players can you? If that is how it is you may as well give up now, at the end of the day you are only as good as your last game and lets face it you were shite!!! We as Argyle fans perhaps have different expectations to Leicester and to be honest I support the club wether it be in div 3 or The Prem and although you may have more cash, a bigger/better stadium and richer history, today that counts for bugger all!!! I have no ill will towards Leicester, I am relatively close to Leicester so keep up with whats going on, especially with Ollie in charge!!! It seems that for a club with bigger fish to fry, we seem to have got under your skin somewhat?

the only reason you have "gotten under our skin" is because of the dipshits that come on here and post crap, a few of you have been sensible and made intelligent posts, but on the whole we have had to put up with a bunch of retards so we snap at all of you as we would rather not have to trawl through post after post of bullshit in order to talk about our beloved club, besides we have enough of our own fans that post nothing but bullshit to deal with

[Babylon]

seriously,just how deluded are some of you that youre a "big club"?You have been given this new identikit stadium-great-but if we(argyle)had been given one in recent years,wed have gained the 4 or 5,000 new-age fans and middle class family set that youve added to your base aswell.We got bigger crowds on occassions in the FOURTH division in the early 2000s that you got in the PREMIERSHIP at Filbert street.Added to this you have all that premiership pedigree including europe and having martin o`neil which is gonna grow you as a club.You have no real identity,just another plastic souless english midlands club that plays in blue and is called "city"-somebody shoot me.If argyle get a decent invester on the near future and get up to the premier and get a stadium like you have then well start to blow you away as a club so dont give it all this "were bigger and plymouth are like darlington" bllshit ive read on here.The real core of a club can be determind by those fans who will travel hundreds of miles on a saturday across the country to support it and give it their soul,not a few middle class families going along to your crisp bowl before their cinema outing later that night which means you get 18,000 home fans like you had on saturday instead of the 13,000-16,500 averages argyle have had in the past few years.Look at the figures,argyle have always taken a bigger core to your place than you have to ours-thats the real test of whose the "bigger club" and on that score,theres only one answer.

Do you know that big key on your keyboard... it's called a return/enter button.

Please use it.

[Babylon]

He did, and that's a problem he and you have. He's been involved in a messy divorce and he's not behaving at all well.

It's going to get worse before it get's better. We just wish he'd stop talking about us..it's embarassing.

Ha so you admit you're Plymouth now then? I had you sussed after your first post.

[Koke]

Mate, most of what you say is correct but you cant live on past glories and players can you? If that is how it is you may as well give up now, at the end of the day you are only as good as your last game and lets face it you were shite!!! We as Argyle fans perhaps have different expectations to Leicester and to be honest I support the club wether it be in div 3 or The Prem and although you may have more cash, a bigger/better stadium and richer history, today that counts for bugger all!!! I have no ill will towards Leicester, I am relatively close to Leicester so keep up with whats going on, especially with Ollie in charge!!! It seems that for a club with bigger fish to fry, we seem to have got under your skin somewhat?

Thats because of the dozens of Plymouth dipshits coming in here invading this place and spouting garbage.

I have no ill feelings towards you or your club. All we want is your fans (the stupid ones) to fu ck off back to their own site.