ronnup Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ity/7242494.stm I can't decide how much this pisses me off. Is it good that he's supportive of us losing to ten men and having two shots on target? Is this just cos he's tried slagging them off in public and it didn't work?
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 He's pointing out the positives. Yes at times we played well, but he failed to mention we barely had a shot. We became nervous after the sending off and it didn't help us, we shouldn't have got nervous. We should have kept our cool, played some good football like we were doing (according to Oillie) and carried on as we were doing. But we didn't, we let it affect us too much and that's what cost us the game. Ollie will fix this, we have to give it time to turn it around, many good managers don't get it 100% right first time of asking.
lildave3 Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 He's pointing out the positives. Yes at times we played well, but he failed to mention we barely had a shot. We became nervous after the sending off and it didn't help us, we shouldn't have got nervous. We should have kept our cool, played some good football like we were doing (according to Oillie) and carried on as we were doing. But we didn't, we let it affect us too much and that's what cost us the game. Ollie will fix this, we have to give it time to turn it around, many good managers don't get it 100% right first time of asking. The fact that whenever we put together about 5 passes some of the crowd decided to get impatient didn't help matters.
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 The fact that whenever we put together about 5 passes some of the crowd decided to get impatient didn't help matters. It always annoys me at the Walkers when we get the ball and some moron shouts shoot when we're 40 yards out. Some football fans don't seem to understand the concept of being patient, keeping possesion and working an opening. It's called playing good football, and we're crap at it.
lildave3 Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 It always annoys me at the Walkers when we get the ball and some moron shouts shoot when we're 40 yards out. Some football fans don't seem to understand the concept of being patient, keeping possesion and working an opening. It's called playing good football, and we're crap at it. Well, last night we seemd to be doing it. Just apart from the creating an opening part. Mainly due to poor decisions/execution with the final ball imo.
Guest ttfn Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Carrot in public, stick behind closed doors
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Carrot in public, stick behind closed doors And how would you know that? Part of the backroom staff are you? How do you know it's all Holloway's fault? It often takes time to get a response out of the players, especially ones that have been messed around so much.
Matt Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Made me laugh this morning when I read his comments, Maybe I read it wrong, It was early this morning, but basically he was saying we lost because they went down to 10 men...It fired them up, and our poor players got nervous...awwww.
maddog Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 I can't see Milan keeping Ollie for much longer. If we lose Saturday he may be gone. Theres no way Milan can afford to keep him, if performances remain poor and we lose games, we can't afford to get relegated and i don't think Milan can afford to risk keeping Ollie if we keep losing.
davieG Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 And how would you know that? Part of the backroom staff are you? How do you know it's all Holloway's fault? It often takes time to get a response out of the players, especially ones that have been messed around so much. Perhaps he was just saying how it should be in response to the topic title. Ollie's already tried the stick when things weren't perhaps quite so critical - it didn't work, now we're well into the mire I guess he's taking the view that their confidence is already rock bottom, some might say he's contributed to it by his previous outburst so why kick them when they are already as down - he's attempting to lift them and take the pressure off.
Guest ttfn Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Perhaps he was just saying how it should be in response to the topic title.Ollie's already tried the stick when things weren't perhaps quite so critical - it didn't work, now we're well into the mire I guess he's taking the view that their confidence is already rock bottom, some might say he's contributed to it by his previous outburst so why kick them when they are already as down - he's attempting to lift them and take the pressure off. Yeah I was just voicing my opinion over how it should be
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Perhaps he was just saying how it should be in response to the topic title.Ollie's already tried the stick when things weren't perhaps quite so critical - it didn't work, now we're well into the mire I guess he's taking the view that their confidence is already rock bottom, some might say he's contributed to it by his previous outburst so why kick them when they are already as down - he's attempting to lift them and take the pressure off. Yeah I was just voicing my opinion over how it should be Yeah sorry mate I mis-understood that post, didn't read it properly. I can't multi-task, reading whist watching Soccer AM is something I can't do.
maddog Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 And how would you know that? Part of the backroom staff are you? How do you know it's all Holloway's fault? It often takes time to get a response out of the players, especially ones that have been messed around so much. But 7 of the players against Plymouth were ones Ollie bought in. Players Ollie sold this club too, players he should be motivating to perform. They haven't been messed around at all compared to the ones been here all season. Ollie couldn't motivate the players he had to perform before the window opened, and he can't motivate the players to perform that he has bought. He has made awful tactical decisions in my view, you can't deny that, a football manager should know to play their players in the right positions, and not throw Hume right wing every game when he plays awful there, or Hayles on the wing, or Chambers left back etc. He seemed to be pleased with not beating 10 men at Watford, when we should have done. If he was motivating them after 2 defeats they should have been right up for it, against top of the table, gone there, put on a performance and won, but we didn't even get a shot on target. These players don't go bad overnight, i.e. Howard, Clemence, Oakley, Campbell. Perhaps Ollie should call Martin Allen and ask him how he motivated the players before the first Watford game? The more i type the facts, the more i feel Ollie has to go. If we perform awfully on Saturday again, the players don't look at all up for it, and we lose.... That will be it, and Ollie will have to go.
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 But 7 of the players against Plymouth were ones Ollie bought in. Players Ollie sold this club too, players he should be motivating to perform. They haven't been messed around at all compared to the ones been here all season.Ollie couldn't motivate the players he had to perform before the window opened, and he can't motivate the players to perform that he has bought. He has made awful tactical decisions in my view, you can't deny that, a football manager should know to play their players in the right positions, and not throw Hume right wing every game when he plays awful there, or Hayles on the wing, or Chambers left back etc. He seemed to be pleased with not beating 10 men at Watford, when we should have done. If he was motivating them after 2 defeats they should have been right up for it, against top of the table, gone there, put on a performance and won, but we didn't even get a shot on target. These players don't go bad overnight, i.e. Howard, Clemence, Oakley, Campbell. Perhaps Ollie should call Martin Allen and ask him how he motivated the players before the first Watford game? The more i type the facts, the more i feel Ollie has to go. I'll reiterate my point. Often managers don't get it 100% right first time. Managers need time to preform. Look at the likes of Sam Allardyce, David Moyles etc, all have achieved good results over time. I'm sure they've had bad patches, but the clubs have kept faith and got their reward. Managers take time sometimes to get results out of thier players. Time. Keyword at the moment.
maddog Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 I'll reiterate my point. Often managers don't get it 100% right first time. Managers need time to preform. Look at the likes of Sam Allardyce, David Moyles etc, all have achieved good results over time. I'm sure they've had bad patches, but the clubs have kept faith and got their reward. Managers take time sometimes to get results out of thier players. Time. Keyword at the moment. David Moyles certainly. Everton should have been relegated, when we dropped 20 odd last 10 minutes points. Everton finished 17th that season, and look at them now, UEFA cup certainly. Leicester could easily have been in Everton's position now if we hadn't got relegated that season in 18th place But on the other hand, it's less risky sticking with a manager in the Premiership because your likely to come straight back up the next season. If we stick with Ollie and get relegated, we will be at least 2 seasons off the Premiership. And may get stuck in League 1. Teams will be up for beating us and playing in our amazing stadium compared to theres, we would be in real trouble.
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 David Moyles certainly.Everton should have been relegated, when we dropped 20 odd last 10 minutes points. Everton finished 17th that season, and look at them now, UEFA cup certainly. Leicester could easily have been in Everton's position now if we hadn't got relegated that season in 18th place You can't say that, you simply don't know what could've / would've happened. But the fact of the matter is they kept faith in him and have got thier reward. There are other examples, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Sam Allardyce, Steve Bruce, Aidy Boothroyd. All mangers have been given time and got / are getting success. You can't get rid of a manager simply because they've come in and it's not gone 100% to plan. Who the fock is David Moyles? Chris's brother.
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 How can two people in a row get his name wrong? Because I'm very stupid, and I type Moyles more often than Moyes.
l444ry Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Anyone would think that everything will come up smelling of roses if you just give Ian Holloway time. There will always be the odd examples to justify this view. But don't forget that for every David Moyes there is a Peter Taylor and for every Sam Allardyce there is a David Pleat. And Pleat and Taylor nearly broke the back of this club because they were blindly given time. Time can only be used as a defence if some progress is being made, however miniscule. But would anyone seriously be prepared to use that argument to defend Ian Holloway's performance thus far in a court of law?
maddog Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 How can two people in a row get his name wrong? bcos i assumed The Stig spelt Moyes correctly so copied it, rather foolishly really
The Stig Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 bcos i assumed The Stig spelt Moyes correctly so copied it, rather foolishly really Never assume I can spell, not my strong point!
step Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 It always annoys me at the Walkers when we get the ball and some moron shouts shoot when we're 40 yards out. Some football fans don't seem to understand the concept of being patient, keeping possesion and working an opening. It's called playing good football, and we're crap at it. That was a joke that was aimed at Frank Sinclair who score two own goal. so every time Frank had the ball the fans shouted at him to SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT. And though Frank could not hit a barn door, he took it serious and kept shooting
Geo V Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Ive never known our confidence to be so low. We need a win or two to see how good these lot are because at the moment we are all over the shop.
step Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 But 7 of the players against Plymouth were ones Ollie bought in. Players Ollie sold this club too, players he should be motivating to perform. They haven't been messed around at all compared to the ones been here all season.Ollie couldn't motivate the players he had to perform before the window opened, and he can't motivate the players to perform that he has bought. He has made awful tactical decisions in my view, you can't deny that, a football manager should know to play their players in the right positions, and not throw Hume right wing every game when he plays awful there, or Hayles on the wing, or Chambers left back etc. He seemed to be pleased with not beating 10 men at Watford, when we should have done. If he was motivating them after 2 defeats they should have been right up for it, against top of the table, gone there, put on a performance and won, but we didn't even get a shot on target. These players don't go bad overnight, i.e. Howard, Clemence, Oakley, Campbell. Perhaps Ollie should call Martin Allen and ask him how he motivated the players before the first Watford game? The more i type the facts, the more i feel Ollie has to go. If we perform awfully on Saturday again, the players don't look at all up for it, and we lose.... That will be it, and Ollie will have to go. Though we could do with better players, It is not the lack of quality in the squad that concerns me. Its the players total lack of drive and commitment that worries me. Ok Ollie has inherited a lot of unhappy players, but he has brought in new players and he has now, had enough time to turn the squad into a team that for 90 minutes, give their heart and sole for the Club, manager and fans. But, that is just not happening. The players know how little they are contributing. They know how much they are letting Ollie down. They definatly know what this is doing to the fans. And thick as they may be, they know that the club is facing relegation. Yet they just dont seam to care. Why? Is there anyone that can give me a logical explination? Because I con only think of one reason, which is: A manager with very poor man managment skills
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