Jon the Hat Posted 30 March 2009 Posted 30 March 2009 Times reports the Police stopped neighbours from attempting to rescue a pregnant mother, her husband and two kids from their burning house. Difficult one. On one hand they stopped the neighbours getting hurt, on the other hand who the hell are they to say no if someone considers 2 kids lives worth risking theirs for?
Benji Posted 30 March 2009 Posted 30 March 2009 Sad story indeed. I don't think there is a right answer to be honest. As noble as it would have been trying to save them, the fire might have been beyond hope and so the police might have saved an extra 2 lives by stopping them.
BoneDog Posted 30 March 2009 Posted 30 March 2009 This is tragic. You would of thought a copper might of tried to go in? Even up the wall at the back to a window. That's what I would expect of the forces to be honest. Weren't there a case of some specials standing by a few years ago (cos of rules) while someone drowned in a pond? It's wrong if you ask me. fook the rules. I saw someone burn to death about 18 years ago but I tried to save em and so did the other few guys on the scene. How can Police just stand by and wait?
Thracian Posted 30 March 2009 Posted 30 March 2009 Impossible to gauge the rights and wrongs of this without being there. But from afar it sounds disgraceful and not as if every reasonable attempt was made, or allowed to be made, to save these people's lives.
DB11 Posted 31 March 2009 Posted 31 March 2009 Well on one hand, the police probably saved the lives of the neighbours but on the other it doesn't seem as if the neighbours were fighting the police?? Not that they should have to; the police should have advised them but if they wanted to then let them go ahead. Weren't there a case of some specials standing by a few years ago (cos of rules) while someone drowned in a pond? It's wrong if you ask me. fook the rules. I saw someone burn to death about 18 years ago but I tried to save em and so did the other few guys on the scene. How can Police just stand by and wait? It was CSOs
Finnegan Posted 31 March 2009 Posted 31 March 2009 Impossible to gauge the rights and wrongs of this without being there.But from afar it sounds disgraceful and not as if every reasonable attempt was made, or allowed to be made, to save these people's lives. But if the police just idly let them go in and a few more people die then "from afar" it's a completely different story again? Could you take that risk as a policeman?
Thracian Posted 31 March 2009 Posted 31 March 2009 But if the police just idly let them go in and a few more people die then "from afar" it's a completely different story again?Could you take that risk as a policeman? As a policeman I'd like to think I would have tried to do something myself and would doubtless have been ashamed of myself if I hadn't . But then I'd never make a policeman or a soldier because I don't have the mentality to follow orders and directives I disagree with. Yes, we did once have policemen who you feel would have taken the initiative and inspired or led some sort of effort. But they are under serious pressure to follow health and safety guidelines and, like much else in our society, those procedures would have been brainwashed into them very early on. I'm reminded of the kid who lost his life in the Hull floods, reportedly because of objections that if they amputated his foot to save his life it might have become infected and killed him. It would have been a fast-acting army of germs that killed him before the floodwater. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/155...re-service.html I cannot wait to see the reaction when someone leaves a copper lying bleeding to death in the road on the grounds that going into the road would only have added to the danger and they might be sued or made the situation worse if they aministered the wrong help before the ambulance arrived. Whatever. The tragedy's happened, the family's been all but destroyed, and the policemen have got to live with it.
Finnegan Posted 31 March 2009 Posted 31 March 2009 I suppose you are from the days of the Justice League, n'all. If I was your age I'd probably also be shocked the coppers didn't blow out the fire with their super wind breath and save everyone with beams of rainbows.
Thracian Posted 31 March 2009 Posted 31 March 2009 I suppose you are from the days of the Justice League, n'all. If I was your age I'd probably also be shocked the coppers didn't blow out the fire with their super wind breath and save everyone with beams of rainbows. Your sarcasm is about as convincing as your politics.
Edmund Posted 31 March 2009 Posted 31 March 2009 Im sure (you would like to think) that the police would have helped if they could. I doubt very much that they turned up and got the health and safety book out. It does say in the article that people had aluminum ladders and wanted to use this to rescue the mum and kids from the window but they couldn't because of the height and heat of the flames. To me it sounds like a twist of words and the police are left to blame. Of course they would have assessed the situation and decided wether they could help or not. There not stupid. I doubt the police used force in stopping people but rather common sense. It is another tragic story but I think it is one which is just a fact of life and to lay the blame on the police is ignorant. I think emotions are getting caught up in this story and people are looking for a scapegoat (the police). I ask anyone who lays the blame on the police how you would enter a house which is covered in nearly two storey high flames without killing yourself? Also you don't know the cause of the fire, there could be gas and all sorts of other hazards. Also just opening a window can cause a backdraft. I think this is just a tragedy which couldn't be avoided at the time. Maybe if the fire service got there quicker things could have been avoided as it seems the police got there first but again to lay the blame on the services for not reacting quick enough is a tall order as the rescue services (ambulances/fire etc) will try and get to a situation as quickly as possible.
Craig Posted 1 April 2009 Posted 1 April 2009 Im sure (you would like to think) that the police would have helped if they could. I doubt very much that they turned up and got the health and safety book out. It does say in the article that people had aluminum ladders and wanted to use this to rescue the mum and kids from the window but they couldn't because of the height and heat of the flames. To me it sounds like a twist of words and the police are left to blame. Of course they would have assessed the situation and decided wether they could help or not. There not stupid. I doubt the police used force in stopping people but rather common sense. It is another tragic story but I think it is one which is just a fact of life and to lay the blame on the police is ignorant. I think emotions are getting caught up in this story and people are looking for a scapegoat (the police). I ask anyone who lays the blame on the police how you would enter a house which is covered in nearly two storey high flames without killing yourself? Also you don't know the cause of the fire, there could be gas and all sorts of other hazards. Also just opening a window can cause a backdraft. I think this is just a tragedy which couldn't be avoided at the time. Maybe if the fire service got there quicker things could have been avoided as it seems the police got there first but again to lay the blame on the services for not reacting quick enough is a tall order as the rescue services (ambulances/fire etc) will try and get to a situation as quickly as possible. 100% Agreed. Very sad what happened, but the Police can't be totally blamed for this one. RIP.
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