Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 Well I've read most of this thread and I'm as cynical as anyone especially when it comes to politics. Ignoring all the deep technical proofs, because all they do is contradict each other and without the technical knowledge myself it leaves me undecided so I could believe either side of the argument so am really open minded. There are some convincing aspects to both sides, especially the non technical ones.It seems to me there are two fundamental options being offered, one the planes caused the collapse, or they were decoys to a planned demolition of the buildings. What I have noticed is the demolition theorists have spent quite a lot of time trying to convince people that it was demolition job saying these planes couldn't have caused this type of damage but I've yet to see them post any actual evidence either pre or post-collapse of the existence of the massive amount of explosive devices you'd need to bring this buildings down. I've watched many a programme on the demolition of buildings and it's always shown to be a high complex and intrusive task to get buildings to collapse in this way. there is no evidence , because as we as we've tried to explain it was all mysteriously taken away and destroyed , this alone is not only suspicious but probably illegal but at last someone with the sense to see that there are at least cause for "suspicion" , that's all anyone can ask
davieG Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 there is no evidence , because as we as we've tried to explain it was all mysteriously taken away and destroyed , this alone is not only suspicious but probably illegal but at last someone with the sense to see that there are at least cause for "suspicion" , that's all anyone can ask But where is the evidence of it's existence before the buildings collapsed, it would take weeks to prepare and I can't believe it could be done without being visible to some of the people that worked in the building and who subsequently died. You can't just say there isn't any and expect people to take the option seriously. My open mindedness is purely down to the politics involved not the technicalities.
Babylon Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 If the conspiracy theorists actually stuck to the more compelling (well hardly compelling just unprovable) aspects of their story, some of the mud they are throwing might actually stick and leave people a bit more open minded. The problem is I have seen so much "evidence" posted here or on other sites that is truly laughable. Seriously grasping at any straw they could find. ie. ie the beams cut at angles and a women touching a girder. Both of which can be explained in 5 minutes looking on the net and with a bit of common sense. As Davie G says, the more technical stuff none of us really know the whole truth as i'm sure it's above most of our capabilities. Zingari, you says it's good to have someone with the sense to be open minded. But neither yourself or El Empty seem open minded to the fact you could be wrong?
Babylon Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 You can't just say there isn't any and expect people to take the option seriously. Welcome to the world of conspiracy theorists.
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 But where is the evidence of it's existence before the buildings collapsed, it would take weeks to prepare and I can't believe it could be done without being visible to some of the people that worked in the building and who subsequently died. You can't just say there isn't any and expect people to take the option seriously. I've not asked anyone to accept anything , other than the plain fact that the events did not happen as was explained in the official reports . if it did there would be no inconsistencies not hundreds . More and more people around the world are waking up to this , so much so that more than half of a recent survey of 16,000 people did not accept the official line ( although they were not in agreement as to who was , but this is quite understandable really ) the fact remains that there is enough who disbelieve the official story , and just look at the figures for Mexico http://worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/article...mp;nid=&id= in this survey only 46% around the world believe it was the terrorists I've put forward no alternative explanations because I don't know ( by doing this I really would be indulging in conspiracy theory ) In the same way i don't know who actually shot JFK , does not mean that I accept it must have been Oswald .
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 If the conspiracy theorists actually stuck to the more compelling (well hardly compelling just unprovable) aspects of their story, some of the mud they are throwing might actually stick and leave people a bit more open minded.The problem is I have seen so much "evidence" posted here or on other sites that is truly laughable. Seriously grasping at any straw they could find. ie. ie the beams cut at angles and a women touching a girder. Both of which can be explained in 5 minutes looking on the net and with a bit of common sense. As Davie G says, the more technical stuff none of us really know the whole truth as i'm sure it's above most of our capabilities. Zingari, you says it's good to have someone with the sense to be open minded. But neither yourself or El Empty seem open minded to the fact you could be wrong? Where have I said I can't be wrong , the most I've said is that there is cause for suspicion ?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 of course he's fookin dim , now ask yourself how a dimwit could possibly become the leader of the most powerful and advanced country in the world . Because it's a democratic country with a lot of divs living in it?
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 OI ! Babylon !!, I thought we both bowed out gracefully yesterday . ? It's not that easy is it ? it's like a fookin drug really isn't it
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 Because it's a democratic country with a lot of divs living in it? easy to get them to believe any old shite then ?
Babylon Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 OI ! Babylon !!, I thought we both bowed out gracefully yesterday . ? It's not that easy is it ? it's like a fookin drug really isn't it I'm going i'm going...
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 I'm going i'm going... me too ; those CIA black helicopters are circling above my house again , if i don't post in here again , please tell the world that i've been silenced for "knowing too much" i really really mean it this time
BoneDog Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 me too ; those CIA black helicopters are circling above my house again , if i don't post in here again , please tell the world that i've been silenced for "knowing too much" i really really mean it this time See you later
BoneDog Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 But where is the evidence of it's existence before the buildings collapsed, it would take weeks to prepare and I can't believe it could be done without being visible to some of the people that worked in the building and who subsequently died. You can't just say there isn't any and expect people to take the option seriously. My open mindedness is purely down to the politics involved not the technicalities. There are some apparantly reliable people who have talked about suspicious events in the run up to 911, including unprecedented power shut downs and clearouts of everyone in the building. I have a video somewhere of some director of a company in one of the towers who tells the story of this, and I'm going to find it and post (later today hopefully). This same guy happened to be in the first tower to get hit (above where the plane hit) and he and a few others got out somehow. I think the interview with him is on the documentary called 'Zero - An Investigation Into 911' (which can be watched on Google Video here Zero. Anyone who is interested in 911 should really watch this video. It has interviews with some very credible folk, including Gore Vidal and many others of a similar stature.
davieG Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 There are some apparantly reliable people who have talked about suspicious events in the run up to 911, including unprecedented power shut downs and clearouts of everyone in the building. I have a video somewhere of some director of a company in one of the towers who tells the story of this, and I'm going to find it and post (later today hopefully). This same guy happened to be in the first tower to get hit (above where the plane hit) and he and a few others got out somehow. I think the interview with him is on the documentary called 'Zero - An Investigation Into 911' (which can be watched on Google Video here Zero. Anyone who is interested in 911 should really watch this video. It has interviews with some very credible folk, including Gore Vidal and many others of a similar stature. They wouldn't be just suspicious events something like preparing a building for demolition would stand out like a sore thumb, I just don't see how such a thing could be achieved without it be 'very' noticeable. Until someone can prove categorically the existence of explosive charges and associated paraphernalia being in place prior to the event then the whole conspiracy theory of 'how it occurred' falls flat on it's face. PS I still don't trust any politician especially those attached to an established political party.
BoneDog Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 1. and a women touching a girder. 2. Zingari, you says it's good to have someone with the sense to be open minded. But neither yourself or El Empty seem open minded to the fact you could be wrong? 1. The fire was supposedly so hot (in reality it wasn't, the evidence and science prove that, beyond doubt) that it could melt steel and create molten metal! There were many people walking about up there and some even got out who were in above floors. The fact of the matter is that no fire could cause any of the metal to get anywhere near melting. 2. We are not wrong
Edmund Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 P.S I know that alot of my posts in the Creationism debate were way over the top but I was half pissing about some of the time! Like the Ancient Egyptians had helicopters I respect your views El but I really can't be arsed with another debate on the subject. I think we turned over most stones last time around. Your views are interesting to read in a fictional way but I'd rather believe the good people at National Geographic and NASA
BoneDog Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 They wouldn't be just suspicious events something like preparing a building for demolition would stand out like a sore thumb, I just don't see how such a thing could be achieved without it be 'very' noticeable. Until someone can prove categorically the existence of explosive charges and associated paraphernalia being in place prior to the event then the whole conspiracy theory of 'how it occurred' falls flat on it's face. PS I still don't trust any politician especially those attached to an established political party. I have got the sense over the past few months that you don't trust politicians! As for planting demolition charges, there has been plenty of chance. There was massive work going on in the towers in the preceding 2 years before 911 day and night. There was big work going on in the elevator shafts for a long long time. And in the few months leading up to 911 there were complete power shutdowns of the whole buildings that meant that all security cameras were turned off. If you ever get the time to watch that Zero video I'm sure that people who work there talk about it in the video better than I could.
BoneDog Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 Like the Ancient Egyptians had helicopters I respect your views El but I really can't be arsed with another debate on the subject. I think we turned over most stones last time around. Your views are interesting to read in a fictional way but I'd rather believe the good people at National Geographic and NASA They knew about them mate, seriously!! Not saying they had them (even though it is possible cos The Sphynx for example is much older than the Pyramids and there is proof of an ancient sophisticated civilization, much bigger than we are now, being wiped out) but they defo knew of them. Fictional! How very dare you?! And the top folk at NASA and National Geographic are not good people, I'm gonna prove that later! It's a shame for me, but I gotta go for now, got jobs to do, but I be back about 6-7pm to elaborate on this. Peace
Babylon Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 1. The fire was supposedly so hot (in reality it wasn't, the evidence and science prove that, beyond doubt) that it could melt steel and create molten metal! There were many people walking about up there and some even got out who were in above floors. Go back a page or two and all my thought on the lady in question are there. Nobody has ever said every inch of the building was engulfed in flames, it obviously wasn't. I'm sure there were plenty of places where the heat was survivable, there were other places though that were so hot people would rather jump than stay in it!! I'm pretty sure nobody has ever said the beams melted, only that the heat was enough to sufficiently weaken them. Any molten metal around would most probably have been from other things in or below the building.
Babylon Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 Like the Ancient Egyptians had helicopters WTF?
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 They wouldn't be just suspicious events something like preparing a building for demolition would stand out like a sore thumb, I just don't see how such a thing could be achieved without it be 'very' noticeable. Until someone can prove categorically the existence of explosive charges and associated paraphernalia being in place prior to the event then the whole conspiracy theory of 'how it occurred' falls flat on it's face. PS I still don't trust any politician especially those attached to an established political party. it certainly would seem that way , and i'm only trying to explain the explanation here ; it's all achievable by compartmentalization of knowledge and duty , (as was much of the Manhattan project ) eg (and i'm just roughly speculating to give the idea some wings ) gangs of electricians could be sent in , ostensibly to wire up security , sprinkler controls etc , they would only follow wiring diagrams other gangs sent in to prepare for installation of the boxes for the charges other gangs putting in the charges completely ignorant of what they were actually fitting , ( if you were an ordinary labourer would you know what an explosive charge looked like and possibly disguised ) please , i'm not saying this is defo how it was done , but a lot can be achieved by compartmentalization of knowledge. very few actually need to know what is going on , especially if it seems to be being organised from above with all the right security credentials, and from those given access to the lift shafts and basements etc ( bloody 'ell i've gone into conspiracy theory now , i'm doomed ) did i say i was definitely going before ? it's worse than bloody drugs i tell yah
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 take a listen to Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko , i can't speak dutch so i'll have to trust the given interpretation unless anyone can say otherwise http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231
Babylon Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 take a listen to Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko , i can't speak dutch so i'll have to trust the given interpretation unless anyone can say otherwise http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231 He said... "I'll say anything you want for 500 euros".
Zingari Posted 5 February 2010 Posted 5 February 2010 He said... "I'll say anything you want for 500 euros". now you're talking sense , this uncomplicated scientific formula applies to all the experts psst want some man-made global warming scientific data ? got some to prove it or disprove it ,and nobody will ask questions cos it's good stuff how much do you want ?
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