Terror Threat raised to Severe

[Babylon]

It's not possible. Thousands of physicists and engineers in the US

And we know how credible they are.

Jones, for example, carried out research in order to "prove" that Jesus visited America. He is a fruitcake. He maybe clever - but he is still one muon short of a subatomic particle.

Funny how the millions of other physicists around the world see nothing out of the ordinary.

[Zingari]

And we know how credible they are.

Funny how the millions of other physicists around the world see nothing out of the ordinary.

Yes they do , there are thousands, that doubt the official explanations , but guess what , any ideas ?

No ?

All the wreckage ( evidence ) from the site has been conveniently (Probably illegally because the criminal code requires that crime scene evidence be kept for forensic analysis ) , was quickly gathered up , sold to the lowest bidders , (but not bidders from inside the USA) No ! Bidders in China and India , and melted down

Don't suppose this even looks a bit suspicious , does it ?

Makes it difficult for anyone doubting the official explanation if all the tangible evidence is gone , doesn't it ?

I mean its not as if anything could have been learned from events that had never happened before is it ?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

not likely you'll bother reading it though

[Guest Mee-9]

Am I one of the only few that think it was Al Quieda. (Or however it's spelt)

Imagine what them 3000 people would of thought that died that people were contemplating The US Government ordered the attack?

[l444ry]

If this theory is true then do you think this information was 'let out of the bag' too soon and the BBC were innocently reporting on what they were told or do you think the BBC knew what was going on?

It was being reported in the USA that WC7 was likely to fall at least an hour before it did, which demonstrates that the BBC report is just a mix up.

[BoneDog]

And we know how credible they are.

Funny how the millions of other physicists around the world see nothing out of the ordinary.

They are very credible. You can try and say one of them is a crackpot (which he clearly isn't) but the list of engineers, the best demolition people in Europe, military and commercial pilots, phycisists and other scientists etc. is endless and they all have more credibility to talk about this than any of us on here. There are plenty of ex intelligence guys also on the list.

Richard Gage is one example of another guy who's put his career on the line because he knows something isn't right.

I don't know who these miilions of other phycisists are who can see nothing out of the ordinary are, but I don't see many of them releasing papers about the situation. Most say nothing (and couldn't prove anything anyway) because they don't want to get involved. If the NIST report and FEMA report can't come out with proper evidence and ignore major evidence then I'm sure that that these other guys can't do any better.

This Steven E Jones is a very reliable scientist. You only have to look at ALL his work over the years. I bet none of you who try to say he's unreliable have never listened to one of his radio shows or seen any of his lectures or read any of his books/papers. You've probably just had a quick look on google and searched for something to try and discredit him, while ignoring his credentials and history. Or you've probably just flicked through a video and heard 3 or 4 snippets after already making your mind up about what he is!

[BoneDog]

1. Am I one of the only few that think it was Al Quieda. (Or however it's spelt)

2. Imagine what them 3000 people would of thought that died that people were contemplating The US Government ordered the attack?

1. Yes

2. No-one really knows who set up the attacks, some people just don't believe that the 19 arabs they say did it really did it. That's mainly because some of them are still alive after the attacks. But they also think other people were involved because of the fact that the 3 planes were allowed to fly around for the hour or two without having a fighter jet scrambled like always happens any other day of the year (it takes about 4 minutes to get fighter jets on an off course planes tail in the New York area). Even before the first plane attacked they knew that it was a threat. And every plane that goes off course in the US has a fighter jet next to it in way under 10 minutes. There were many cases of off course planes in 2001 having fighters scrambled immediately, but not on Sep 11th.

They could of perhaps got away with saying the first plane surprised them. But they then allowed another plane to come into the second tower. And then, some time later another plane was allowed to fly into the most protected airspace in the world, Washington DC and The Pentagon. Nobody can fly into Washington DC like that.

And yet we are supposed to believe that after the biggest 2 terror attacks in US history that this third plane somehow got through to The Pentagon. It really is totally impossible for this to happen unless allowed.

And to me, to lose 3000 people in a terrorist attack is bad enough to start with, but when you realise that some of the so called leaders of that country were involved, it makes it even more shocking and disgusting.

[Zingari]

Take a good look at this photo of one of the massive structural support beams at ground zero

I can think of 3 explanations ( maybe there are more )

1 It was caused by the aeroplane smashing into the building or the subsequent low temp hydrocarbon fires ( which were only hot enough to weaken the metal )

does it really look like that is likely ?

2 , It was caused by the clear up team using cutting equipment to remove the wreckage.

Imagine you are using cutting equipment in the clear up at ground zero , Would you really waste your time cutting through massive steel girders at 45 degree angles , or would you try and do it as quickly as possible by cutting through at the most sensible right angles ? (Maybe there is some other explanation for this , I really don't know )

3 , It was cut by thermite or some other demolition charge or explosive at that precise angle for demolition ?

no comment !!

[z-layrex]

We have to carry on as normal, or they win.

[Babylon]

4. 500,000 Tonnes just collapsed above it. That kind of pressure can doing anything to metal, the site was littered with shattered beams, bent beams and beams if you looked hard enough probably resembled Jesus Christ.

[Zingari]

4. 500,000 Tonnes just collapsed above it. That kind of pressure can doing anything to metal, the site was littered with shattered beams, bent beams and beams if you looked hard enough probably resembled Jesus Christ.

tell me you're not being serious

[davieG]

Take a good look at this photo of one of the massive structural support beams at ground zero

I can think of 3 explanations ( maybe there are more )

1 It was caused by the aeroplane smashing into the building or the subsequent low temp hydrocarbon fires ( which were only hot enough to weaken the metal )

does it really look like that is likely ?

2 , It was caused by the clear up team using cutting equipment to remove the wreckage.

Imagine you are using cutting equipment in the clear up at ground zero , Would you really waste your time cutting through massive steel girders at 45 degree angles , or would you try and do it as quickly as possible by cutting through at the most sensible right angles ? (Maybe there is some other explanation for this , I really don't know )

3 , It was cut by thermite or some other demolition charge or explosive at that precise angle for demolition ?

no comment !!

Photo-shopped

I thought that area was totally inaccessible for days without a dust mask, how long after the event was the picture taken, if it was a while then it could well be a compromised scene.

[Babylon]

Imagine you are using cutting equipment in the clear up at ground zero , Would you really waste your time cutting through massive steel girders at 45 degree angles

[Babylon]

It's all gone quiet over there, all gone quiet, all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet over there!!!

[Zingari]

It's all gone quiet over there, all gone quiet, all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet over there!!!

not quite yet

i'm not suggesting steel girders cannot be cut at angles , i'm saying it makes no sense, if obviously the quickest way is to cut at right angles .

you don't give any reason why that worker is cutting at an angle, it may be just a display , in fact it looks as though his first cut is at right angles and for some reason he is cutting the inner girder only at some odd angle for quite a different purpose .

i really would be convinced if some demolition expert explained why they were cut that way . but not just pics of some obscure demolition worker making an odd cut in metal .

listen to these firemen talking of the collapse , i'm sure they would have seen buildings on fire before , they sound quite perplexed

edit

oh yes , and you've skipped the part about shipping this evidence out of the country to be melted down before it can be independently examined

[Zingari]

look at these pics taken at 4 different angles of ( the supposed ) flight 175 hitting wtc2

what is that bulge on the right of the fuselage , it has been proved to be " 3 dimensional in nature " at a Spanish university and not a shadow or trick of the light

as far as i am aware , no commercial aircraft have this bulge '

[Babylon]

i'm not suggesting steel girders cannot be cut at angles , i'm saying it makes no sense, if obviously the quickest way is to cut at right angles .

you don't give any reason why that worker is cutting at an angle, it may be just a display , in fact it looks as though his first cut is at right angles and for some reason he is cutting the inner girder only at some odd angle for quite a different purpose .

Firstly the difference in cutting at an angle and cutting straight is quite minimal. This is a drawing I just did and the two lines are exactly the same length.

Secondly I didn't say why they were cut at angles because I thought it was fairly obvious. By cutting at an angle you can control the precise direction the beams will fall. If you could the straight there is no way of telling with way it will fall. Exactly the same reason someone chopping a tree down cuts into one side.

More examples of diagonal cutting....

[Babylon]

look at these pics taken at 4 different angles of ( the supposed ) flight 175 hitting wtc2

what is that bulge on the right of the fuselage , it has been proved to be " 3 dimensional in nature " at a Spanish university and not a shadow or trick of the light as far as i am aware , no commercial aircraft have this bulge '

Well popular mechanics magazine and some specialists believe otherwise.

"PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images — the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."

[BoneDog]

You can see clearly on the videos that it isn't the landing gear bit. Way too big. Something is attached.

This is what it looks like and the Sun wouldn't make it look at least 5 times bigger.

[Bellend Sebastian]

It was all a big conspiracy? It's the first I've heard of it. They've been deliberately not telling me - this ALWAYS happens.

It's a sort of bullying

[DJ Barry Hammond]

i would merely encourage anyone to keep looking at the many inconsistencies , and keep an open mind . and always remember , the bigger the lie the more people believe it .

This was a silly thing to say - not really true is it?

Ok, I'm off to in my Aston Martin up to Leicester - I signed today (on deadline day) on loan from my Sunday football league side, I'm that mystrious second loan signing. Did I also mention that I'm now dating the former Mrs John Terry, and that my polictal career is going strength to strength, so much so the Conservative party are going to replace David Cameron with me due to his waining public opinion. Apparently I look less like a posh twit. I would have said my week couldn't have been much better, but considering a won the lottery last week (Nigerian) it did - $100 million Nigerian dollars, which equates to about £300 million sterling. Oh and I had apple pie for dinner, my favourite. Oh and I just saw Bambie in my back garden. Oh and my penis is 17 feet long but retracts to a nice four inches fit into my football shorts.

Is that lie big enough for most people to believe in it (except for the few that look at the finer detail and start picking at it peice by peice)???

[l444ry]

You can't be serious Empty. Babylon has demonstrated that the "pod" is clearly a wing fairing. Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society?

[Legend_in_blue]

You should all read '9/11 The New Evidence' by Ian Henshall. I'm not saying it's true, but it makes for interesting reading.

There's also a load of stuff about 'controlled demolitions' and explosions seen around the outside of the towers before they fell all over youtube.

It all adds to the conspiracy theories, rightly or wrongly.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Oh and one last thing, that really detracts from the conspiracy thearoist cause is that their's money in making a conspiray theory, but there isn't in proving what is already thought to be the established truth.

All the books, documentaries, scientific research etc - someone at the end of this would be making money from it. Just look at 24 - they've made 7 (or is 8) series out of conspiracy type theories.

[Zingari]

look at this headline

now look at this video re; 7/7 bombings

coincidence ?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

look at this headline

now look at this video re; 7/7 bombings

coincidence ?

So that headline doesn't help them sell papers does it?!? The problem is not people making 1 and 1 add to 3, they're adding Pi x Pi and getting what ever they want. There are so many different varibles that they are picking holes with, it's unclear what the conclusion actually is (other than it is a goverment thing).