Zingari Posted 2 February 2010 Posted 2 February 2010 So let me get this right - your saying physics is unbeleivable, but you want a different method of physics (i.e. gunpowder not plane) to support your arguement against another theory of physics regarding the 9/11 attacks? Haven't you just rounded on yourself on this point in terms of discounting both theroies? It was the pink elephant that sat on the buildings that made them fall down? I'm still not swayed into the arguement that this was not a terroist attack. What was the purpose of this self inflicted attack if it was the goverment and how many people would you estimate would be involved in the conspiracy? sorry i can't stop laughing at your statement that basic physics was different in 1971 your quote Well maybe basic physics was different then? After all at that point we weren't on the moon. Physics itself changes all the bloody time, ffs
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 2 February 2010 Posted 2 February 2010 sorry i can't stop laughing at your statement that basic physics was different in 1971 Well space, which is amajor part of physics has had many beliefs and disbleives changed over the short course of history. A lot of these are theroies, cannot be proven, so of course these theories can change based on new findings and knowledge. Constructural design has also changed over the decades, look at buildings these days compared to one's back in the 1980's and its clear the techniques, the materials and the concepts have all developed as we gain greater knowledge. It shouldn't be difficult to comprehend that over almost 40 years, the concepts and beliefs behind science and everything else has and will have changed and hence the bedrock of physics or what is constitued as basic physics will also have changed.
Zingari Posted 2 February 2010 Posted 2 February 2010 Well space, which is amajor part of physics has had many beliefs and disbleives changed over the short course of history. A lot of these are theroies, cannot be proven, so of course these theories can change based on new findings and knowledge. Constructural design has also changed over the decades, look at buildings these days compared to one's back in the 1980's and its clear the techniques, the materials and the concepts have all developed as we gain greater knowledge. It shouldn't be difficult to comprehend that over almost 40 years, the concepts and beliefs behind science and everything else has and will have changed and hence the bedrock of physics or what is constitued as basic physics will also have changed. so basically believe what you wanna believe , cuz science is changin' all the time and one day whatever you believe wlll be the truth
easilee Posted 2 February 2010 Posted 2 February 2010 So let me get this right - your saying physics is unbeleivable, but you want a different method of physics (i.e. gunpowder not plane) to support your arguement against another theory of physics regarding the 9/11 attacks? Haven't you just rounded on yourself on this point in terms of discounting both theroies? It was the pink elephant that sat on the buildings that made them fall down? I'm still not swayed into the arguement that this was not a terroist attack. What was the purpose of this self inflicted attack if it was the goverment and how many people would you estimate would be involved in the conspiracy? Just in case my reply isn't clear, Hitler most probably ordered the 'terrorist attack' on the Reichstag so he could introduce laws on his people that they would otherwise never agree to. In fact, this method would have those same people begging for those laws, (which are basically removal of civil liberties and martial law), to be introduced. Although some ideas and conspiracy theories can sound whacko, i believe that we should not dismiss everything without proper investigation. Unfortunately, to hear/see ALL conspiracy 'evidence' would be physically impossible. Somethin ain't right, not sure what, but it is scary and i don't blame anyone for not wanting to believe some of the evil shit i've read and seen in the past 20 years or so of getting into this stuff.
BoneDog Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 There is no hope, these people will continue to believe the powers that be on the most important issues concerning humanity until it is too late. When it starts happening here more often and we are all involved they might start to realize but I doubt it. All these debunkers keep on waffling on and repeating what the government says happened, but they will never be able to sufficiently answer the major questions, like : 1. Why are some of the hijackers (who the US government still tell us were involved) still alive? 2. Why was molten iron in the basements for months of all 3 WTC's after the attacks? (this is impossible without explosives or incenduaries that cause extreme temperatures). 3. How could 3/4 planes evade the FAA and NORAD for hours? (this is the first time this has ever happened, and it just happened to be on the day that 19 arabs, some of whom are still walking the streets, had decided to attack 3 of the most important buildings in the USA). 4. Why is there no video evidence of a plane hitting The Pentagon, when The Pentagon has cameras EVERYWHERE? The attack is on video but they will not show us the pictures. 5. What was that white plane flying over Washington (restricted airspace) at the same time The Pentagon was hit?.......I'll answer that, it was an E-4B, a control centre. Don't you find it strange that this plane was in the air, but they couldn't be bothered to put a defensive plane or two in the air? (I know most of you don't find it strange cos you're minds have gone doolalley ) There are many more questions but I'm also getting bored as I can see it's totally pointless. EDIT : We could move on to 7/7 or the event that happened with the guy around Christmas on that plane in the US (which was orchestrated just to make certain dumbasses more keen on attacks on Yemen).
easilee Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 There is no hope, these people will continue to believe the powers that be on the most important issues concerning humanity until it is too late. When it starts happening here more often and we are all involved they might start to realize but I doubt it.All these debunkers keep on waffling on and repeating what the government says happened, but they will never be able to sufficiently answer the major questions, like : 1. Why are some of the hijackers (who the US government still tell us were involved) still alive? 2. Why was molten iron in the basements for months of all 3 WTC's after the attacks? (this is impossible without explosives or incenduaries that cause extreme temperatures). 3. How could 3/4 planes evade the FAA and NORAD for hours? (this is the first time this has ever happened, and it just happened to be on the day that 19 arabs, some of whom are still walking the streets, had decided to attack 3 of the most important buildings in the USA). 4. Why is there no video evidence of a plane hitting The Pentagon, when The Pentagon has cameras EVERYWHERE? The attack is on video but they will not show us the pictures. 5. What was that white plane flying over Washington (restricted airspace) at the same time The Pentagon was hit?.......I'll answer that, it was an E-4B, a control centre. Don't you find it strange that this plane was in the air, but they couldn't be bothered to put a defensive plane or two in the air? (I know most of you don't find it strange cos you're minds have gone doolalley ) There are many more questions but I'm also getting bored as I can see it's totally pointless. EDIT : We could move on to 7/7 or the event that happened with the guy around Christmas on that plane in the US (which was orchestrated just to make certain dumbasses more keen on attacks on Yemen). Don't get disheartened Empty. The reason i still tell people about this shit after so many years is because i love my family, friends, my hometown and my Country. And i don't want to see any of them hurt by the out and out evil that big business will inflict on them so that they can get richer and more powerful. I've got so much more to try and persuade/scare the shit out of people that they will have to agree in the end, that money and power make the rich and powerful do crazy, downright Satanic shit. This is fact. It can be proved but it takes a lot of time and a willing/open minded listener.
ozleicester Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 I want to know who is behind the continued ressurection of this thread??? oh wait.. its me.
Babylon Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 1. Why are some of the hijackers (who the US government still tell us were involved) still alive? Prove it. 2. Why was molten iron in the basements for months of all 3 WTC's after the attacks? (this is impossible without explosives or incenduaries that cause extreme temperatures). Who tested the metal to see what it was made of?. The basements were parking lots and were full of cars, heat that long enough and at high temperatures and it will glow. 3. How could 3/4 planes evade the FAA and NORAD for hours? (this is the first time this has ever happened, and it just happened to be on the day that 19 arabs, some of whom are still walking the streets, had decided to attack 3 of the most important buildings in the USA). In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent. 5. What was that white plane flying over Washington (restricted airspace) at the same time The Pentagon was hit?.......I'll answer that, it was an E-4B, a control centre. Don't you find it strange that this plane was in the air, but they couldn't be bothered to put a defensive plane or two in the air? (I know most of you don't find it strange cos you're minds have gone doolalley ) There was such a jet in the vicinity — a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft." — not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.
Zingari Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 Anybody changed their mind yet? no i think it's like arguing about one's belief in god
Babylon Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 no i think it's like arguing about one's belief in god He's a load of bollocks too.
Zingari Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 He's a load of bollocks too. prove it but , if you have tremendous power and influence you can get people to believe anything
lou Posted 3 February 2010 Author Posted 3 February 2010 Whoever started this shitty thread needs shooting......... Oh
Basingstoke Fox Posted 3 February 2010 Posted 3 February 2010 He's a load of bollocks too. Or is it a she? So many questions. Either way it's a load of shit.
BoneDog Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 1. Prove it.2. Who tested the metal to see what it was made of?. The basements were parking lots and were full of cars, heat that long enough and at high temperatures and it will glow. 3. In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent. 4. There was such a jet in the vicinity — a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft." — not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly. 1. I don't need to prove it. The Times reported on it, among others. Plus, people who work at the US embassies that the supposed hijackers reported to after 911 have told their story. (They also told of how some of the other supposed hijackers were given special visas for travel to the US before 911, which they were concerned about, but that is another story). 2. So are you seriously saying that the molten metal (tonnes and tonnes of it) that was at the scene for over 6 weeks was melted cars!! And what melted them cos the jet fuel had long since burned off?! Many people have tested it. Many people have tested the dust too and found plenty of evidence of ALL the ingredients of nano-thermite. What about the molten metal under WTC7?.....Actually don't bother answering cos you'll only be bumming the US administration again. 3. Wow, what a load of bollocks. It is STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE to get a jet up next to any plane that goes off course for more than 90 seconds. They intercepted over 100 planes in the 12 months before September 11th. Between Sept 2000 and June 2001 jets were scrambled 67 times and in the year 2000 alone jets were scrambled 129 times. And these scrambled jets were not limited to offshore zones. Many of them were over the mainland. I repeat, it was standard operating procedure to scramble jets as soon as a plane veered off course, or when radio contact was lost. Sep 11th 2001 is the only day this standard procedure was not followed. Seriously people, don't listen to Babylons version of this, unless you too want to be far up the establishments ass. He is saying that even after the first plane went into the towers (they already knew it was hijacked) that they still didn't bother getting a jet up to intercept the second or even third planes!! Seriously, live in the real world man. 4. Another bullshit story from the powers that be. They don't let business planes fly over that area! I've seen the pictures of the plane and have posted it below. The top image is the plane that was over The Pentagon, the bottom picture is the E-4B airforce plane. People should note the communications pod above and behind the cockpit. Normal jets don't have these, but if you don't believe me then listen to what Major General Don Shepperd has to say in the video below. Plus you still haven't said why no fighter jets were in the air in the area to protect Washington over an hour after the US was being attacked!
BoneDog Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 Anybody changed their mind yet? I doubt it. Some people will continue to bum the establishment no matter what. The same establishment who do everything possible to make normal working peoples lives a misery. But more people know that they are full of shit and can see through official lies that have no base in reality and will continue to stand side by side with their fellow citizens.
BoneDog Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 Whoever started this shitty thread needs shooting......... Oh Why do you think it's a shitty thread? I think it's a very important topic that concerns everyone in the country! And to the other folk who don't like these debates you really don't need to read and you can make your own entertaining and funny threads. It's what you make it and all that
Babylon Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 Seriously people, don't listen to Babylons version of this, unless you too want to be far up the establishments ass. He is saying that even after the first plane went into the towers (they already knew it was hijacked) that they still didn't bother getting a jet up to intercept the second or even third planes!! Seriously, live in the real world man. Me live in the real world? You have yet to post one piece of evidence that can't be ripped apart or doesn't have a logical explanation. I think it's fairly clear to anyone of sound mind (which you are quite clearly not), that you are talking out of your arse. You're willing to believe anyone who is on your side of the story, whilst completely disregarding glaringly obvious evidence to the contrary. All of the people you quote are amazing scientists or expert witnesses, yet anyone who says different you label muppets or government plants. I'll always take all the evidence into account before I make my decision, the research i've done in the last few days has come from people and places a damn site more credible than anything you can muster (usually youtube). If you came to me with actual proof then i'd listen to you but it's all absolute crap that would literally get laughed out of court. All the quotes posted are taken out of context, pictures are so pixelated they could literally be anything, science and physics are mostly ignored and the person most vocal about it all thinks Jesus visited America. You can believe what you want, no matter how wrong you obviously are. I just pray you don't manage to warp any other weak minds out there with all the nonsense you spout.
lou Posted 4 February 2010 Author Posted 4 February 2010 Why do you think it's a shitty thread? I think it's a very important topic that concerns everyone in the country!And to the other folk who don't like these debates you really don't need to read and you can make your own entertaining and funny threads. It's what you make it and all that I was being flippant as I started the thread? For the record as much as Id like to spend countless hours researching conspiract theories and who flew what where at what time etc etc I have a life to live and am currently more concerned with paying the mortgage and protecting my Daughter from bullies etc...... before you say this effects all of us blah blah blah theres sod all I can do about it IF its true so Il spend my time concentrating on things I can do something about. I love a good conspiracy theory by the way but I dont let it take over my life
Zingari Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 i can well understand why many are reluctant to fully accept that the events of 911 were orchestrated by inside agencies , but what I find astounding is that so many seem not to be even the slightest bit suspicious , given the overwhelming amount of inconsistencies NORADS complete failure Buildings collapsing as never before , at symetric freefall speed due to fire and external damage ( wtc 7 ).................... oh sod it heres 500 more http://www.rense.com/general24/t500.htm
Zingari Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 WTC 7 , "THE SMOKING GUN" NIST admits to "freefall" but why they need to is astonishing because it's blatantly fookin obvious !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0GHVEKrhng
Zingari Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 here's a photograph of Edna Cintron or is it Superwoman ? she seems to be leaning against a girder that is supposed to be superheated to steel warping temperature , or maybe she is nowhere near the main damaged area of the building
samlcfc Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 All of the people you quote are amazing scientists or expert witnesses, yet anyone who says different you label muppets or government plants. This is true because quoting experts means nothing as they could easily be spouting crap. Its like a couple of years ago when that buzz aldrin was on the radio doing an interview and he started going on about aliens being real, hed seen them on the way to the moon and that the government new about them. Doesn't mean its true. Experts can say what they like such as about the world trade centres in this thread. Doesnt mean they're telling the truth
Babylon Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 This is true because quoting experts means nothing as they could easily be spouting crap. Its like a couple of years ago when that buzz aldrin was on the radio doing an interview and he started going on about aliens being real, hed seen them on the way to the moon and that the government new about them. Doesn't mean its true. Experts can say what they like such as about the world trade centres in this thread. Doesnt mean they're telling the truth I know that and take it into account. But when what they are saying can also be rationally explained (as most of it can) who are you going to believe. The expert who's ideas are rational and make sense, or the expert who makes no sense and has no evidence to back up what they are saying.
Zingari Posted 4 February 2010 Posted 4 February 2010 I know that and take it into account. But when what they are saying can also be rationally explained (as most of it can) who are you going to believe. The expert who's ideas are rational and make sense, or the expert who makes no sense and has no evidence to back up what they are saying. not all then ?
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