FosseFox Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Just a quick look through some managerial win %'s for overall careers to give some perspective on the current situation: Sir Alex Ferguson - 58% Martin O'Neill - 53% Sven - 51% Neil Warnock 40% Big Nige - 38% John Gregory - 34% Paulo Sousa - 33% Bryan Robson - 30% Obviously the status of clubs managed has an effect but it shows that whatever happens (either MON or SGE), It's not all bad. I'd also like to wish PS all the best. He didn't mean harm or failure, it just didn't work out. Some times things don't.
Gary Rowett Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Alex Ferguson is manager of Manchester United. Has some of the best players and resources in the world. Naturally he has a high win-ratio. Paulo Sousa has managed at a mediocre, fractious QPR; a Swansea still finding their feet in the division after a recent promotion, and a poor Leicester for just 9 games. He's hardly going to be blowing the opposition away is he? What was Fergie's win ratio when he first took United over in the 80s?
FosseFox Posted 1 October 2010 Author Posted 1 October 2010 Listen Gary Rowett, pal, I'm not having a go I'm just stating to people who think Sven is the antichrist that he's actually got good win percentage over a long career.
Webbo Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Alex Ferguson is manager of Manchester United. Has some of the best players and resources in the world. Naturally he has a high win-ratio. Paulo Sousa has managed at a mediocre, fractious QPR; a Swansea still finding their feet in the division after a recent promotion, and a poor Leicester for just 9 games. He's hardly going to be blowing the opposition away is he? What was Fergie's win ratio when he first took United over in the 80s? Straight question. Would you swap him for Alex McLeish?
FosseFox Posted 1 October 2010 Author Posted 1 October 2010 Alex Ferguson is manager of Manchester United. Has some of the best players and resources in the world. Naturally he has a high win-ratio. He had to start somewhere though didn,t he, and he got the team second in the first season? Paulo Sousa has managed at a mediocre, fractious QPR; a Swansea still finding their feet in the division after a recent promotion, and a poor Leicester for just 9 games. He's hardly going to be blowing the opposition away is he? He had long enough at Swansea to prove his worth. You obviously like Sousa and for that I applaud you. It just didn't work out with LCFC, then again, not many managers do..
Gary Rowett Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Straight question. Would you swap him for Alex McLeish? Definitely. I think Sousa would thrive with a decent budget on the top stage.
Webbo Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Definitely. I think Sousa would thrive with a decent budget on the top stage. Yeah ok.
Gary Rowett Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Sadly though mate, its not up to us to decide these things.
Zingari Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Sadly though mate, its not up to us to decide these things. with very good reason it seems
J.Lisemore Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 I don't think hes a bad manager, IMO he would do well in Italy where a passing game is more appreciated.
leicesterthroughandthrough Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 To be honest with managers like Fergie I wasn't expecting it to be in the 50's... but I guess the draws come into play a lot.
FosseFox Posted 1 October 2010 Author Posted 1 October 2010 It appeared low to me too, but if you look on those records alone we are getting a class manager. People don't like him as he came to be a bit of a joke, what with the hounding by the media. He didn't help himself by slipping a length to Ulrika either.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 To be honest with managers like Fergie I wasn't expecting it to be in the 50's... but I guess the draws come into play a lot. draws would not come into it at all with a win %!
leicesterthroughandthrough Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 draws would not come into it at all with a win %! They would, as in how much they'd not won....?
cc_star Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Alex Ferguson is manager of Manchester United. Has some of the best players and resources in the world. Naturally he has a high win-ratio. Paulo Sousa has managed at a mediocre, fractious QPR; a Swansea still finding their feet in the division after a recent promotion, and a poor Leicester for just 9 games. He's hardly going to be blowing the opposition away is he? What was Fergie's win ratio when he first took United over in the 80s? Leicester weren't poor before he took over
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 They would, as in how much they'd not won....? Nice try at a save, but you said you didn't expect the win % to be in the 50's but thought draws come into it a lot - well they don't, draws are equal to defeats in a win %, so they wouldn't come into the win side of the % at all.
leicesterthroughandthrough Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Nice try at a save, but you said you didn't expect the win % to be in the 50's but thought draws come into it a lot - well they don't, draws are equal to defeats in a win %, so they wouldn't come into the win side of the % at all. I meant they come into the non win factor, d'oh.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 I meant they come into the non win factor, d'oh. Yes, sure you did!
leicesterthroughandthrough Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Yes, sure you did! I did actually, so now would you be so kind to stop making false accusations?
Lillehamring Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Alex Ferguson is manager of Manchester United. Has some of the best players and resources in the world. Naturally he has a high win-ratio. Paulo Sousa has managed at a mediocre, fractious QPR; a Swansea still finding their feet in the division after a recent promotion, and a poor Leicester for just 9 games. He's hardly going to be blowing the opposition away is he? What was Fergie's win ratio when he first took United over in the 80s? um, not really...because he also has to play much more difficult games, i assume as a career percentage it includes champions league games?
Lillehamring Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Nice try at a save, but you said you didn't expect the win % to be in the 50's but thought draws come into it a lot - well they don't, draws are equal to defeats in a win %, so they wouldn't come into the win side of the % at all. i think his inference was that draws come into it when you compare two managers with similar wim %'s - ie. if two managers have a win percentage of 50%, one could have drawn 40% and lost 10%, whereas the other might have drawn 10% and lost 40%.... so draws do come into this method of comparing managers.
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