lildave3 Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 I think you'd be an idiot to take Wayne Brown over Curtis Davies and given time to gel and fit in with his new team-mates most people will agree. Brown was as limited as he was capable, he had good games and then had games where the like of Rob Earnshaw made him look Sunday League. Don't get carried away, Pearson, Shakespeare and Walsh were a far bigger loss to our back four than Brown. Bang on. 13,000 posts and you still haven't shifted from that fence you're sitting on. As an aside, Wymesy is absolutely murdering that BlueBrett gag.
Ozwin Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 He'll get booed but nobody really knows what happened so they don't really have a right to.
Geordie Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 Hume may be back at Barnsley by Saturday -- see http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_6465306,00.html Good, he can get booed as well, part of the most shameful side in our history.
ashwj Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 Exactly nobody knows, Everybody is entitled to their opinion and if it caused a problem at our training ground then that is unfortunate. Even if he is a BNP supporter then that is his business, we live in a democracy and should be able to tolorate that, Indeed if it was his support for a certain party that saw him axed from LCFC then that is our shame.....However he maybe a big fat racisct and that just happend to come out at election time.......but we dont know. what we do know is that he was great in the air but he was also awkward on the ground. Having seen the playoff semi a few times I think his waskwardness on the ground would have only weakend us as Cardiff didn't play much in the air.... anyway he's gone, he's old and we have much better now so we shouldn't care...........but for a laugh lets boo him to be sure.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 Who cares! Wayne Brown was rubbish end of! Well thats not true is it. Like I have said before lots of people (including me) slated Brown for not being able to pass the ball and being slow. But you only have to look at how many goals we conceded last season, compared to now. It took us till about January to let this many in last year, and that was due to having a well organised defence with Brown the real leader at the back. He was great for Hobbs too, and although I didnt see it at the time, he was actually a very important player for us.
Finnegan Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 All of this "we had Wayne Brown in the squad last year so he must be the reason our defence is shit now" stuff absolutely bemuses me. It's not like he played every game last year, is it? In fact most people preferred the Hobbs and Morrison partnership - with good reason. Wayne Brown was spectacularly overrated. He was just a bit "cult" because he looked scary and was perceived as a hard man which generally endears you to football fans. He was so limited as a player it's embarrassing. Is it not strikingly evident that a drastic change in tactical approach and some evident unrest in the dressing room quite clearly throwing the form of a large majority of the squad is likely having far more of an impact on the side than losing one old dinosaur of a defender? C'mon. He's a very average Championship player and definitely falls into the "we could do better" pile.
Guest Bilo Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 All of this "we had Wayne Brown in the squad last year so he must be the reason our defence is shit now" stuff absolutely bemuses me. It's not like he played every game last year, is it? In fact most people preferred the Hobbs and Morrison partnership - with good reason. Wayne Brown was spectacularly overrated. He was just a bit "cult" because he looked scary and was perceived as a hard man which generally endears you to football fans. He was so limited as a player it's embarrassing. Is it not strikingly evident that a drastic change in tactical approach and some evident unrest in the dressing room quite clearly throwing the form of a large majority of the squad is likely having far more of an impact on the side than losing one old dinosaur of a defender? C'mon. He's a very average Championship player and definitely falls into the "we could do better" pile. I know exactly what you're saying. Brown was good mainly against teams that went long ball and strikers who lacked pace, though even then he hardly inspired confidence. He'd eat everything above head level for breakfast and I daresay Steve Howard will have a tough time of it on Saturday, further prompting the calls of Bring Back Brown. But those of us who remember Brown being raped by Earnshaw at the City Ground and by several other pacey strikers will be reticent. Play the ball into feet against Wayne Brown and throw a bit of pace and guile at him and unfortunately he's lost at sea. I can see Waghorn making him shit himself on Saturday. The fact is that Hobbs and Morrison have a great future and that's without including our loanees like Vitor (highly rated by Benfica ffs) and Curtis '£8m' Davies. If Brown was still here, I guarantee he'd be waiting around on the sidelines under Sven and we'd all be saying he's finished. He wasn't the cause of our defensive solidity last season and his departure isn't the cause of our lack of it this.
muzzy1981 Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 Well thats not true is it. Like I have said before lots of people (including me) slated Brown for not being able to pass the ball and being slow. But you only have to look at how many goals we conceded last season, compared to now. It took us till about January to let this many in last year, and that was due to having a well organised defence with Brown the real leader at the back. He was great for Hobbs too, and although I didnt see it at the time, he was actually a very important player for us. Sorry I don't think you can put all our defensive problems down to the fact we no longer have Wayne Brown. Reason we didn't concede as many goals last season was because we had a consistent team with a consistent manager playing a consistent system. Paulo not bringing in an experienced CB better quality CB to replace Brown was a mistake. Sven knows that in order for us to get into the prem we have to have players who have a degree of class and are comfortable on the ball, Wayne Brown was not and never will be. My point is that, I don't think he's even worth discussing on the forum as he wasn't great and wasn't at the club v.long, if it was Matty Elliot or Gerry T then it would be worth discussing.
muzzy1981 Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 All of this "we had Wayne Brown in the squad last year so he must be the reason our defence is shit now" stuff absolutely bemuses me. It's not like he played every game last year, is it? In fact most people preferred the Hobbs and Morrison partnership - with good reason. Wayne Brown was spectacularly overrated. He was just a bit "cult" because he looked scary and was perceived as a hard man which generally endears you to football fans. He was so limited as a player it's embarrassing. Is it not strikingly evident that a drastic change in tactical approach and some evident unrest in the dressing room quite clearly throwing the form of a large majority of the squad is likely having far more of an impact on the side than losing one old dinosaur of a defender? C'mon. He's a very average Championship player and definitely falls into the "we could do better" pile. Here here!! We have got to show more ambition than looking back at Wayne Brown for answers
Sylvie85 Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 I agree with a lot of people on this topic, I was actually a fan of wayne brown until the incidents. I think what people are saying isn't necessarily that we need wayne back, but we do lack a commanding, no nonsense centre half with the nouse and experience of a 'wayne brown' character.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 Sorry I don't think you can put all our defensive problems down to the fact we no longer have Wayne Brown. Reason we didn't concede as many goals last season was because we had a consistent team with a consistent manager playing a consistent system. Paulo not bringing in an experienced CB better quality CB to replace Brown was a mistake. Sven knows that in order for us to get into the prem we have to have players who have a degree of class and are comfortable on the ball, Wayne Brown was not and never will be. My point is that, I don't think he's even worth discussing on the forum as he wasn't great and wasn't at the club v.long, if it was Matty Elliot or Gerry T then it would be worth discussing. All the defensive problems are not down to Wayne Brown but I think he is a big reason why they are bad. I agree tha we had a consistent team, especially at the back, and this season alone we have used three keepers already, which can only be unsettling. And you're right about Paulo not bringing a replacement fro Brown was a mistake, and thats what I tjink we have really lacked at the back this season, some experience in the middle of defence. Though if we had of gone up and there had been no BNP controversy, we would have been exposed at the back if Brown had played week in and week out, as like you say he doesnt have the class to be good on the ball. I do worry about us being bullied by PNE with players like Parkin, I think Morrison and Hobbs, despite being big men, are often out jumped and fought against bigger players. For all his faults, Brown was never bullied. I just hope we play two strikers up front on Saturday and if Brown plays I'd like to see Waghorn running at him, as well as a tasty battle in the air with big Steve.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 I agree with a lot of people on this topic, I was actually a fan of wayne brown until the incidents. I think what people are saying isn't necessarily that we need wayne back, but we do lack a commanding, no nonsense centre half with the nouse and experience of a 'wayne brown' character. Exactly what we need. Though preferably a player who can pass the ball to a player in a blue shirt this time!
muzzy1981 Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 All the defensive problems are not down to Wayne Brown but I think he is a big reason why they are bad. I agree tha we had a consistent team, especially at the back, and this season alone we have used three keepers already, which can only be unsettling. And you're right about Paulo not bringing a replacement fro Brown was a mistake, and thats what I tjink we have really lacked at the back this season, some experience in the middle of defence. Though if we had of gone up and there had been no BNP controversy, we would have been exposed at the back if Brown had played week in and week out, as like you say he doesnt have the class to be good on the ball. I do worry about us being bullied by PNE with players like Parkin, I think Morrison and Hobbs, despite being big men, are often out jumped and fought against bigger players. For all his faults, Brown was never bullied. I just hope we play two strikers up front on Saturday and if Brown plays I'd like to see Waghorn running at him, as well as a tasty battle in the air with big Steve. Fair comment mate, at least we agree on one thing that it would be great to see waggy rip him apart! Up the blue boys!!
Huuuuuume Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 they'll ignore him, paticularly with hume being at preston, he'll get all the attention for the preston players And... Callum Davidson.
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