The Year Of The Fox Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 I think money has improved football. The calibre of players we see at clubs increases dramatically. Look at our squad for instance compared to last season. And i dont agree that you cant buy success, buying players for stupid money doesnt guarantee success. Just ask man city bout that, they on paper are miles above the rest in terms of squad, but their team doesnt play like a team like others. Which has a negative impact on our national team- But thats whole different argument I guess
The Doctor Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 i think so yes - increased ticket prices, obscene wages, over-inflated transfer fees, clubs having to rely on money men only to fall apart when they back out, increasing gap in quality between a select few teams and the rest of us. Problem is it's a vicious, never-ending cycle, The gap in quality can only really be bridged by new signings which are ridiculously over-priced (even more so if they're english) and on a high wage. This then drives the ticket prices up and the clubs into the hands of rich investors. More quality is still needed since the top teams have strengthened as well so more over-inflated fees with obscene wages. Until a team folds we aren't going to see any change - and i mean a big team rather than your plymouths and wimbledons of the world. Unfortunately (or fortunately, i'm not quite sure) because of the influence of sky that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 A lot of people seem to recognise that Sky are the problem- yet a lot of fans seem to have it...
Drift Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 And here lies the problem. Its not the best league in the world. It sounds like you've been listening to sky too much yourself!! So what is? Just my opinion. I bet Phil Taylor hates evil Sky too.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 Sky fooked football. Roman Abramovich fooked football. The premier league fooked football. The removal of terraces fooked football. The blame can't solely be placed on a single reason, the saddest thing is there are two many of us who are all too willing to go to games, get treated like shit by stewards and/or police, pay over the top prices for tickets and until this changes, football will remain the way it is unfortunately.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 31 January 2011 Author Posted 31 January 2011 So what is? Just my opinion. I bet Phil Taylor hates evil Sky too. What's your reasoning for thinking it's the best league in the world?
The Year Of The Fox Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 So what is? Just my opinion. I bet Phil Taylor hates evil Sky too. Hardly comparible is it? I don't watch enough football to judge whichever league is best- though I do think a lot of people (not necessarily you- I don't know you) base their judgement on what Sky tell them. I think the majority of our English players are vastly overhyped. As are the quality of our teams. A couple of very good players, or in some teams cases, world class players pretty much constitutes a 'world class team'- Torres Gerrard as an example. Its boring, teams literally buying success. Noone wants to win the FA Cup anymore, they'd rather finish 4th in the PL to get Chimps League qualification
Drift Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 What's your reasoning for thinking it's the best league in the world? Because I find it the most entertaining to watch compared to watching non English or European cup/league games. Therefore, to me, it's the best league.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 31 January 2011 Author Posted 31 January 2011 Because I find it the most entertaining to watch compared to watching non English or European cup/league games. Therefore, to me, it's the best league. because sky covers it the most?
The Year Of The Fox Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 Because I find it the most entertaining to watch compared to watching non English or European cup/league games. Therefore, to me, it's the best league. Its fast I admit that. Do we have the best technically gifted players though? In terms of unpredictablity, I'd say the Championship has to be right up there with one of the best leagues. Would any of our national team benefit from playing in other European leagues? - If yes, then the PL isn't the best. We get told time and time again how good the PL is. Possibly at one point when we had 3 English teams in the semis of the CL a few years back you could argue yes it was- but on that occasion the CL winner wasn't an English team! Can we not remember what happened in June last year??
Drift Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 In terms of unpredictablity, I'd say the Championship has to be right up there with one of the best leagues. I read somewhere that the Championship was regarded as like the 5th best league. No idea how they worked that out though.
Drift Posted 31 January 2011 Posted 31 January 2011 because sky covers it the most? It's hard not to watch more English football when you live here. I'd be more likely to watch a Premiership game over a European cup game featuring an English team, and less likely to watch an Italian or Spanish league game. I just don't find it as fast paced and they're forever falling over and diving. It's all a bit theatrical. Sure, you get some of that in England too, but appears more part of the game in Europe. The World Cup was full of it too. More players need to be booked for cheating. Hey maybe I've just come full circle and it's the money in football that makes players cheat.
RedHux Posted 1 February 2011 Posted 1 February 2011 I read somewhere that the Championship was regarded as like the 5th best league. No idea how they worked that out though. It's easily one of the more entertaining though. The Premiership bores me silly and I dare say, should Forest ever return, it will still bore me silly. Scrounging points of the likes of Bolton and Wigan in half empty stadiums in the knowledge that we just can't compete with mid table teams who can spend £35m on a player who was pretty average last year in the championship.
BoneDog Posted 1 February 2011 Posted 1 February 2011 Yes the big money has helped to spoil football for me. I can't remember how it all started but Sky has alot to do with it. The atmosphere has gone downhill overall, maybe because a different kind of person attends matches nowadays because of prices, not sure. Wages should have been capped at around £5,000 or £10,000 a week years ago but it's too late now. Nobody is worth £100,000 a week. It's obscene and you cannae spend it all bar splashing it away on 800 cars, gambling, taking drugs, boinking granny hookers or some other waste. And I've already said to cap it at 10k a week (which is still excessive imo) so it's not like I'm saying that they should be made to train and play football for peanuts. And I'm not jealous before that old chestnut comes out - I don't even think about that crap anymore. As long as I have enough to eat, pay bills and have a bit of fun I'm happy and I don't mind working hard for £7 an hour. I'm sure that players had their hearts in the game more back in the days before big cash. Many players do give their all to their clubs still but many don't. Kick-off times and days have changed and made it harder to attend. I much preferred a guaranteed Saturday 3pm kick-off with a Tuesday or Wednesday night 7.30pm. The quality of football was just as good 20-30 years ago and players were only earning about four times as much as an average earner so money doesn't create better players for sure. If anything, the overall quality has gone downhill in my opinion. For example, the attitude and effort that I have seen the England squad (who are supposedly the best we have) put in on the pitch at major tournaments recently is shocking and disgraceful. That said, I still cannae give up the football just yet
davieG Posted 1 February 2011 Posted 1 February 2011 BBC full report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12330303 Chelsea has reported a £70.9m loss in the year to June 2010 - despite winning the Premier League and FA Cup. The west London club said turnover was up 1.2% to £205.8m and that a reduced squad value was behind the loss. From 2012/13, clubs will be banned from European competitions if they go into debt on football-related business. Chelsea chief executive Ron Gourlay said the club was in "a strong position" to meet the rules, known as Uefa's financial fair play initiatives. The move to allow clubs only to spend what they earn is designed to make it harder for clubs like Chelsea and Manchester City who rely on their owners to pay players' wages and bring in new talent.
hairy Posted 1 February 2011 Posted 1 February 2011 Sky killed football. thats why i refuse to have it! I totally agree But some are happy to pay to watch what was once free so is it not the fans who killed football?
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.