ADAMS IN OR OUT?????

[Guest Daniel]

Babylon is correct, so dont you jump in 'guest'

[bren]

Good discussion/argument people, i take it now we know that most people are full behind and back Adams to do a job this season, but there is still a minority that are not to sure.

I suppose the only way for him to get rid of the doubters is to get promotion which we all hope he does.

1 question to you doubters though, if we go on a winning run of 5 or 6 games then lose 1 match, will you be slating him again and want him out??

[Guest Guest]

Eat my poo

[Guest Guest]

Babylon is correct, so dont you jump in 'guest'

12433[/snapback]

Which guest?

[Guest Daniel]

I dont agree bren, i wont stand by micky now, because i know that if we get promoted, he will then sign more has-beens and try and keep us up with them and failing like last time and being in this position again.

I just cant see any future with him.

I hope he does prove me wrong eventually though.

[Cobbo]

Ive called people tossers and twats and things like that, but never told people to eat my shit.

I am going to leave it here now as i simply cant be bothered to argue with you guys who wont change my opinion and i wont change yours.

Everyone is entitled to opinions, i respect yours so why cant you respect mine?

12430[/snapback]

I will repect your opinion more if you could tell me someone who would come to us and do a better job than Micky..

I think he's by far the best man we can get and he's done a lot of great things for this club. I honestly don't believe many managers could have done what he did 2 years ago.

[Guest Guest]

Good discussion/argument people, i take it now we know that most people are full behind and back Adams to do a job this season, but there is still a minority that are not to sure.

I suppose the only way for him to get rid of the doubters is to get promotion which we all hope he does.

1 question to you doubters though, if we go on a winning run of 5 or 6 games then lose 1 match, will you be slating him again and want him out??

12434[/snapback]

Not at all!

I do think Adams is generally a good manager. But as all managers, he has his faults and as a fan these faults are picked upon and when the manager keeps on making them it gets frustrating. I think Adams main problem is he doesn't learn from his mistakes, he also hates change. If he gets promotion though, all of that goes out of the window. His faults can only be faulted when he's not succeeding, I hope we never have to talk about them again.

[Guest Guest]

Ive called people tossers and twats and things like that, but never told people to eat my shit.

I am going to leave it here now as i simply cant be bothered to argue with you guys who wont change my opinion and i wont change yours.

Everyone is entitled to opinions, i respect yours so why cant you respect mine?

12430[/snapback]

I will repect your opinion more if you could tell me someone who would come to us and do a better job than Micky..

I think he's by far the best man we can get and he's done a lot of great things for this club. I honestly don't believe many managers could have done what he did 2 years ago.

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I don't think there is many managers that could have done what Houllier did at Liverpool when they won the treble, but does that mean he shouldn't have been replaced this summer after a few nightmare seasons? Adams did great in the promotion season, but last season he failed in my opinion. Jury is out on him to redeem himself.

[Cobbo]

Ive called people tossers and twats and things like that, but never told people to eat my shit.

I am going to leave it here now as i simply cant be bothered to argue with you guys who wont change my opinion and i wont change yours.

Everyone is entitled to opinions, i respect yours so why cant you respect mine?

12430[/snapback]

I will repect your opinion more if you could tell me someone who would come to us and do a better job than Micky..

I think he's by far the best man we can get and he's done a lot of great things for this club. I honestly don't believe many managers could have done what he did 2 years ago.

12438[/snapback]

I don't think there is many managers that could have done what Houllier did at Liverpool when they won the treble, but does that mean he shouldn't have been replaced this summer after a few nightmare seasons? Adams did great in the promotion season, but last season he failed in my opinion. Jury is out on him to redeem himself.

12441[/snapback]

Yes, the jury is out. But people seem to be saying that we're crap after just 3 games with a load of new signings. Wait until later on into the season and we could all make better judgements of Micky.

[Scow]

Some people need to take a good look at themselves.

Supporters in the summer were congratulating Micky for the signings he brought in to this football club - 3 games down the line, and people are calling for his head. It just shows how fickle our support really is.

He got us promoted in his first full season, despite going through the rigours of administration and having no money to spend. He managed to turn a bunch of demoralised footballers, in to a team that was capable of getting promoted. He was able to devise a style of play that was suited best to the players strengths, and nearly overhauled Pompey to the title, who that season had money to spend on bringing new players in to the club - Micky didn't have that luxury.

During the summer when we got promoted, we barely had any money to spend, so the way forward to bring players in to the club were to get obtain transfers. We had released considerable of players during the summer, and the squad was virtually in the same state to that of this summer. The idea of bringing in players of Premiership experience on free transfers was the best we could do in this situation. Micky knew what he was getting with these players, as opposed to taking risks on young, talented players from the lower leagues who haven't proved themselves at this level.

Yes, some of Micky's signings turned out to be shocking (notably Curtis, Hignett and Gillespie) but some tend to forget the successful one's such as Ferdinand, Bent, Thatcher and Scimeca. Some people refuse to accept that you can't do much with limited funds. And some people also forget our club nearly went out of business not so long before that. He did amazingly well to bring in so many players during that summer. We were not in a position to bring in young, quality players - Or even experienced quality players for that fact because we simply didn't have the resources.

After all that, we nearly stayed up. People might point out all these winning leads we had surrendered during that season, but you pay for what you get. We simply weren't good enough to win games of football in the Premier League, and that's a fair comment to make adjudged on the quality of our team at the time.

I don't think Micky has done much wrong during his tenure at the club, and there is certainly no justification in sacking him. There is no replacement out there at the moment that could do a better job. BM has offered no examples as to who could do a better job - He's just taken the easy option of saying that no one could do worse - Well that destroys your argument straight away.

Remember - Micky has overseen 3 promotions during his relatively short time in management. He is the best man for the job, he's knows what is required to get out of this division. We've not had the best of starts, but it's only been 3 games - Look at the likes of Wolves and West Ham who are seen as favourites for this division, they're struggling. You can't make an indication of how successful we will be until about 10 games in to the season. Crystal Palace were in the relegation zone at Christmas, and still got promoted.

[Babylon]

I dont agree bren, i wont stand by micky now, because i know that if we get promoted, he will then sign more has-beens and try and keep us up with them and failing like last time and being in this position again.

I just cant see any future with him.

I hope he does prove me wrong eventually though.

12437[/snapback]

What else could he of signed last time though? People say teams have stayed up without money but they haven't, we spent £0 other teams have spent at least a couple of mil when you look back!

I understand that some signings were questionable last time but we couldn't just play the kids as some people suggest. This time i do agree with you lot that signing your gemmils/blake may not be the greatest idea, but last time i really dont think we had any choice.

[bren]

Scowy did you sit on the fence you big wimp!!!!

[Babylon]

Some people need to take a good look at themselves.

Supporters in the summer were congratulating Micky for the signings he brought in to this football club - 3 games down the line, and people are calling for his head. It just shows how fickle our support really is.

He got us promoted in his first full season, despite going through the rigours of administration and having no money to spend. He managed to turn a bunch of demoralised footballers, in to a team that was capable of getting promoted. He was able to devise a style of play that was suited best to the players strengths, and nearly overhauled Pompey to the title, who that season had money to spend on bringing new players in to the club - Micky didn't have that luxury.

During the summer when we got promoted, we barely had any money to spend, so the way forward to bring players in to the club were to get obtain transfers. We had released considerable of players during the summer, and the squad was virtually in the same state to that of this summer. The idea of bringing in players of Premiership experience on free transfers was the best we could do in this situation. Micky knew what he was getting with these players, as opposed to taking risks on young, talented players from the lower leagues who haven't proved themselves at this level.

Yes, some of Micky's signings turned out to be shocking (notably Curtis, Hignett and Gillespie) but some tend to forget the successful one's such as Ferdinand, Bent, Thatcher and Scimeca. Some people refuse to accept that you can't do much with limited funds. And some people also forget our club nearly went out of business not so long before that. He did amazingly well to bring in so many players during that summer. We were not in a position to bring in young, quality players - Or even experienced quality players for that fact because we simply didn't have the resources.

After all that, we nearly stayed up. People might point out all these winning leads we had surrendered during that season, but you pay for what you get. We simply weren't good enough to win games of football in the Premier League, and that's a fair comment to make adjudged on the quality of our team at the time.

I don't think Micky has done much wrong during his tenure at the club, and there is certainly no justification in sacking him. There is no replacement out there at the moment that could do a better job. BM has offered no examples as to who could do a better job - He's just taken the easy option of saying that no one could do worse - Well that destroys your argument straight away.

Remember - Micky has overseen 3 promotions during his relatively short time in management. He is the best man for the job, he's knows what is required to get out of this division. We've not had the best of starts, but it's only been 3 games - Look at the likes of Wolves and West Ham who are seen as favourites for this division, they're struggling. You can't make an indication of how successful we will be until about 10 games in to the season. Crystal Palace were in the relegation zone at Christmas, and still got promoted.

12445[/snapback]

Spot on again scowmeister!!!! Couldn't of said it better myself..... BRAVO!

[kerryh]

Well done Mark - we now know why the BBC asked you to write for them and no one else!

A beautifully constructed post!

[Steven]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

12419[/snapback]

I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

[Babylon]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

12419[/snapback]

I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

12451[/snapback]

Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

[Steven]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

12419[/snapback]

I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

12451[/snapback]

Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

12454[/snapback]

We got relegated last season, if that escaped your notice, and don't say the players were not good enough as many of them are now with PL sides. Moreover we had the best players in the League the last time we came up and so in spite of the tactics MA may have used we would still have gone up. :w00t: ::

[Guest Guest]

Some people need to take a good look at themselves.

Supporters in the summer were congratulating Micky for the signings he brought in to this football club - 3 games down the line, and people are calling for his head. It just shows how fickle our support really is.

He got us promoted in his first full season, despite going through the rigours of administration and having no money to spend. He managed to turn a bunch of demoralised footballers, in to a team that was capable of getting promoted. He was able to devise a style of play that was suited best to the players strengths, and nearly overhauled Pompey to the title, who that season had money to spend on bringing new players in to the club - Micky didn't have that luxury.

During the summer when we got promoted, we barely had any money to spend, so the way forward to bring players in to the club were to get obtain transfers. We had released considerable of players during the summer, and the squad was virtually in the same state to that of this summer. The idea of bringing in players of Premiership experience on free transfers was the best we could do in this situation. Micky knew what he was getting with these players, as opposed to taking risks on young, talented players from the lower leagues who haven't proved themselves at this level.

Yes, some of Micky's signings turned out to be shocking (notably Curtis, Hignett and Gillespie) but some tend to forget the successful one's such as Ferdinand, Bent, Thatcher and Scimeca. Some people refuse to accept that you can't do much with limited funds. And some people also forget our club nearly went out of business not so long before that. He did amazingly well to bring in so many players during that summer. We were not in a position to bring in young, quality players - Or even experienced quality players for that fact because we simply didn't have the resources.

After all that, we nearly stayed up. People might point out all these winning leads we had surrendered during that season, but you pay for what you get. We simply weren't good enough to win games of football in the Premier League, and that's a fair comment to make adjudged on the quality of our team at the time.

I don't think Micky has done much wrong during his tenure at the club, and there is certainly no justification in sacking him. There is no replacement out there at the moment that could do a better job. BM has offered no examples as to who could do a better job - He's just taken the easy option of saying that no one could do worse - Well that destroys your argument straight away.

Remember - Micky has overseen 3 promotions during his relatively short time in management. He is the best man for the job, he's knows what is required to get out of this division. We've not had the best of starts, but it's only been 3 games - Look at the likes of Wolves and West Ham who are seen as favourites for this division, they're struggling. You can't make an indication of how successful we will be until about 10 games in to the season. Crystal Palace were in the relegation zone at Christmas, and still got promoted.

12445[/snapback]

A good post, a very good post infact. But I still don't accept that we didn't stay up because we didn't have a good enough team, we had the players they just didn't perform and the manager didn't get the best out of them. Easy enough to say we didn't have a good enough team, but why have alot of them been snapped up by premiership teams then?

Adams deserves a chance to redeem himself, but the jury is out on him and he is certainly not beyond criticism.

[Scow]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

12419[/snapback]

I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

12451[/snapback]

Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

12454[/snapback]

We got relegated last season, if that escaped your notice, and don't say the players were not good enough as many of them are now with PL sides. Moreover we had the best players in the League the last time we came up and so in spite of the tactics MA may have used we would still have gone up. :w00t: ::

12461[/snapback]

Good enough for Premier League sides?

Paul Dickov - On the bench at Blackburn Rovers who were embroiled in a relegation battle last season.

Ben Thatcher - Playing in a side that also struggled last season.

Marcus Bent - On the bench at Everton who will struggle again this season.

Riccardo Scimeca - Playing in a side expected to get relegated.

Les Ferdinand - Bench warmer at Bolton.

Billy McKinlay - Reserve team player/coach at Fulham.

[BartonFox]

There really are some ill informed people on this forum, who I can safely conclude actually know nothing about the game of football.

For people to be shouting for Adams head is ridiculous, absolutely pathetic and the knee-jerk reation of the small minded know-nothings that seem to make up a large portion of the current City fanbase.

But for Brian Deane, Wigan would be a Premiership outfit this season and they have won in SE London twice in a week, something very few clubs will manage this season.

Leicester and Wigan will probably be up there or there abouts at the end of the season.

For all those individuals clamouring for Tommy Wright to be given a chance - you know nothing about the First Division and the quality needed. HE couldn't cut it for Brentford and because he banged a couple in for England U20's doesn't mean he can do it week in week out in this division. If he was any good he'd be along side Connolly.

Without extending the pety school yard baiting, some of you need to step out of the little 'chav world' you live in and enter the real world. The childish posts and ravings on here are an embarrassment and highlight why other LCFC websites are more popular, mainly due to their structured debate.

Adams will stay and we will gain promotion at which time certain people on here should give up going to Filbert Way as their ignorance needs to be spared from decent football/Leicester City FC fans everywhere.

[Guest freund]

MA has a good pedigree in getting promoted, but just doesn't seem to be able to keep us at the top ... although this is not really his fault, he has virtually no mony to spend and IMO you do need funds to stay at the top.Unfortunately these limited funds mean we can only bring in quite old players.

I would agree with BM that there doesn't really seem to be any team spirit any more, how can there be when players seem to be here for a season then bugger off retired or whatever.

Maybe bringing in a new manager would add to the team spirit? Change the way in which the club is run for the better? :?:

[Steven]

There really are some ill informed people on this forum, who I can safely conclude actually know nothing about the game of football.

For people to be shouting for Adams head is ridiculous, absolutely pathetic and the knee-jerk reation of the small minded know-nothings that seem to make up a large portion of the current City fanbase.

But for Brian Deane, Wigan would be a Premiership outfit this season and they have won in SE London twice in a week, something very few clubs will manage this season.

Leicester and Wigan will probably be up there or there abouts at the end of the season.

For all those individuals clamouring for Tommy Wright to be given a chance - you know nothing about the First Division and the quality needed.  HE couldn't cut it for Brentford and because he banged a couple in for England U20's doesn't mean he can do it week in week out in this division.  If he was any good he'd be along side Connolly.

Without extending the pety school yard baiting, some of you need to step out of the little 'chav world' you live in and enter the real world.  The childish posts and ravings on here are an embarrassment and highlight why other LCFC websites are more popular, mainly due to their structured debate.

Adams will stay and we will gain promotion at which time certain people on here should give up going to Filbert Way as their ignorance needs to be spared from decent football/Leicester City FC fans everywhere.

12465[/snapback]

I wake up every day aspiring to be as well rounded, well informed and prescient as you. I also aspire to your certainty, clarity and humility. Not for me the world where I am always right and can therefore challenge any point of view with fear of contradiction.

Some would say your are blessed, for me, my English is not good enough to give you the description you deserve.

[Babylon]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

12419[/snapback]

I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

12451[/snapback]

Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

12454[/snapback]

We got relegated last season, if that escaped your notice, and don't say the players were not good enough as many of them are now with PL sides. Moreover we had the best players in the League the last time we came up and so in spite of the tactics MA may have used we would still have gone up. :w00t: ::

12461[/snapback]

If your theory is correct about the players were good enough to get up no matter what tactics or what manager we employed, how come under peter taylor we plumeted like a stone even though he had most of oneils team still?????? Players were the same so it must have been the tactic/manager?????

[Guest Guest]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

12419[/snapback]

I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

12451[/snapback]

Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

12454[/snapback]

We got relegated last season, if that escaped your notice, and don't say the players were not good enough as many of them are now with PL sides. Moreover we had the best players in the League the last time we came up and so in spite of the tactics MA may have used we would still have gone up. :w00t: ::

12461[/snapback]

Good enough for Premier League sides?

Paul Dickov - On the bench at Blackburn Rovers who were embroiled in a relegation battle last season.

Ben Thatcher - Playing in a side that also struggled last season.

Marcus Bent - On the bench at Everton who will struggle again this season.

Riccardo Scimeca - Playing in a side expected to get relegated.

Les Ferdinand - Bench warmer at Bolton.

Billy McKinlay - Reserve team player/coach at Fulham.

12464[/snapback]

Yes mate, but I doubt West Brom, Palace or Norwich will have many takers for their players like we did. Whether our squad was good enough for the premiership or not we threw away so many leads that you can't just say it was because we weren't good enough. Obviously we weren't good enough, but it must stop somewhere where it goes from not being good enough to under-achieving and your manager shouldering some of the blame for failing to rectify the same mistakes that happened over and over again? Perhaps i'm not naive enough, but I personally can't accept we weren't good enough, it's not as simple as that.

[Guest Guest]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

12419[/snapback]

I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

12451[/snapback]

Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

12454[/snapback]

We got relegated last season, if that escaped your notice, and don't say the players were not good enough as many of them are now with PL sides. Moreover we had the best players in the League the last time we came up and so in spite of the tactics MA may have used we would still have gone up. :w00t: ::

12461[/snapback]

If your theory is correct about the players were good enough to get up no matter what tactics or what manager we employed, how come under peter taylor we plumeted like a stone even though he had most of oneils team still?????? Players were the same so it must have been the tactic/manager?????

12469[/snapback]

That could also be used to last season! Just because we threw alot of points away doesn't mean we didn't have a good enough team, it might be the fact the way the manager runs the team made us under achieve. It is possible for a manager to have this effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Adams isn't neyond criticism and the sooner some people realise this the better.